Peugeot 406 2.0 GTX Family Estate - Ricky13
I have been looking for a 6 or 7 seat car for some time now, and have pretty much narrowed the choice down to a V70 or a 406 Estate.

My wife (it will be her car for the school run as well as family holidays) hates the V70 inside (I must say that I don't disagree), and the centre seat in the back is virtually unusable - so we have decided on the 406.

I have found a 2000 x reg 2.0 GTX with 51,000 miles going privately for just under £7k - full Peugeot service history.

What do people think - a reasonable deal?

Thanks for your help

Rick
Peugeot 406 2.0 GTX Family Estate - Morris Ox
That's not a bad price - suggests something that's in good condition rather than perfect - but it's not a good car.

Check out Car-by-Car Breakdown for details on the 406 against the V70. 406 is simply less well-built, more likely to suffer the odd fault, and certainly likely to be worth less when you come to sell.
Peugeot 406 2.0 GTX Family Estate - Ricky13
I don't disagree that the V70 is better built, but, you do pay for that plus the Volvo name, and from what I have read, the 406 itself is fairly reliable, and certainly should be cheaper in terms of service costs and spares etc.

Besides, I have just about resigned myself to being middle-aged with 3 kids - can't cope with the Volvo yet!!

Also, I felt that the 406 is more comfortable inside, and also nice to drive!
Peugeot 406 2.0 GTX Family Estate - Morris Ox
It's horse for courses, Ricky, but bear in mind that the 406 has fairly soft seats which give an instant impression of comfort. Over long journeys and high mileages, however, soft seats don't offer much in the way of proper support. The V70's are among the best in that respect.

You're right that a Volvo would seem to be more expensive upfront, but the gap may be narrower than you think. It's less likely to suffer faults, so should cost a little less there, and if the car's out of warranty I'd be inclined to get it serviced at a good independent specialist rather than a Volvo dealer.

My basic line is that I'd trust the V70 a whole lot more than the 406. It's stronger for starters, and the bills for some 406 fixes aren't as cheap as you might expect.

If the 406 is still definitely the one for you then I'd be inclided to go for the 2.0 HDi 110bhp diesel, which is much more economical and removes at least some of the uncertainty in terms of reliability.
Peugeot 406 2.0 GTX Family Estate - TrevP
"bear in mind that the 406 has fairly soft seats which give an instant impression of comfort. Over long journeys and high mileages, however, soft seats don't offer much in the way of proper support. The V70's are among the best in that respect.

If the 406 is still definitely the one for you then I'd be inclided to go for the 2.0 HDi 110bhp diesel, which is much more economical and removes at least some of the uncertainty in terms of reliability"

Agree on both points.
Peugeot 406 2.0 GTX Family Estate - Greenparrot
Slightly off the point in terms of the deal, but listen please to your respondents concerning the reliability of the Pug. I had a 2002 406 estate for nearly the same reasons as you. I had it for a total of 25000 miles and 12 months. Nearly 3 of these months it spent at Peugeot for repair work - I'm not a fussy driver but the thing simply kept breaking down - not fun on the outside lane of a motorway! In addition I got the car because of its legendary comfort, the seats were uncomfortable to the extreme over a long haul.
Just spend a little time around (as I had to) your local Pug dealers service reception and you'll get a whole new handle on their problems.I've now gone back to Japanese cars, not the best thing to start a conversation about but they do start. The Volvo would be a safer bet.
Peugeot 406 2.0 GTX Family Estate - Ricky13
Thanks for all the comments guys!

It sounds like I may be on my own re the V70 - I know it's a good car, but I just really didn't like the feel of the thing!

Most of the time the car will have just my 3 kids in (so the pop-up seat in the boot will only be used for the school run when we take some friends' kids in as well) - therefore the middle seat in the back needs to be a proper seat and not an arm-rest! This is where the V70 really fails - that seat is virtually unusable imho.

Mind you, my wife is now eyeing the Fiat Multipla - that should make the Pug seem reliable in comparison!!
Peugeot 406 2.0 GTX Family Estate - lordwoody
"Mind you, my wife is now eyeing the Fiat Multipla - that should make the Pug seem reliable in comparison!!"- I have to take issue with the above-I've had 6 Fiats, mostly some years ago but currently I have a Punto HGT and I have had no more trouble with any of them than any other car I've owned, in some cases a lot less. I've also had a number of Saabs which have had at least as many problems as the Fiats, so judge by experience, not reputation.
Peugeot 406 2.0 GTX Family Estate - SjB {P}
Are we talking current model or previous model V70, please?

If current model, then I may be able to help with questions as I own one, a 2.4T SE - with fabulous interior BTW! ;-)

The only thing I really don't like is a collossal turning circle that makes manoeuvering in tight places the most awkward of any car I have driven. Something to bear in mind for a school run car. After just eight weeks of ownership, I have already scuffed one alloy, having never done so in my previous cars.

The seats are simply tremendous, front and back. Along with my father's S80, easily the most supportive and comfortable over long journeys of any car I have travelled in, including other makes such as SAAB that are reputed to have good seats.

Of Volvo and Pug in general however, some observations:

My father has been running Volvos since 1972.

1972-1983 144 1.9 S
1979-1989 244 2.1 DL
1989- 440 1.7 GL (Still going strong)
1998- S80 2.4 S (Still going strong)

In these 31 years, he has only been let down twice: In 1978 with the 144 when a fibre timing gear stripped its teeth, and by the 440 when nearly new, when the radiator bottom hose came off. Pretty good going for the intergalactic mileage that these cars represent, and when it comes to serene and unruffled travel, the S80 - and our V70 for that matter - is a peach.

I travel to Sweden a lot, and have taken many taxi rides in both current and previous model V70s, often with mileages that beggar belief. I have yet to find a taxi driver who regretted his choice of wheels. Infact, the last one I travelled in explained why he had switched from Mercedes - because of back ache!

My wife drives a Pug 306 1.8 8v Sedan, and whilst it has never broken down, there is no comparison when it comes to build quality. The gaps between interior plastic mouldings are just the start, and with the knowldge gained through maintaining the car, I now know that the car is just as cheaply constructed under the skin, where the engineering can't hold a candle even to my previous Vectras, let alone the Volvo. (See my thread on 'Discussion' about the wing mirror as one example)

Of course, the Pug did cost tuppence ha'penny to buy, it costs even less to run, and although no road rocket, it lives up to Peugeot's 'handling and ride reputation' (tarnished with some newer models), and is a hoot to drive on twisty roads. The seats however are too soft, and give me back ache after an hour, and with the factory fit sunroof, I struggle to fit in the car (I am 5'10") without opening the blind and using the extra 1" this gives me!

A colleague ran a Pug 406 for three years, and couldn't get rid of it quick enough. Seduced by the comfort apparent in a test drive, the flashy chrome trim everywhere, and the huge amount of kit for his money, he then paid the price when he had to live with it. Very unreliable, usually electrics, very uncomfortable on long hauls, and worth nothing when he parted with it. Mad fool that he is, he replaced it with an Alfa which he REALLY regretted!

For your criteria as described, and from family experience over 31 years, it's the Volvo I would buy without doubt, even if the previous generation V70.

Hope you are happy with whatever you choose.
Peugeot 406 2.0 GTX Family Estate - pugdriver
I've had a 98R 406 family estate for just over a year now; mine's the 2.1 TD, and although I didn't especially need the seven seats, it will be useful when I come to sell it.

I have now added 30k to the mileage, mostly motorway driving, and (I'm sure that I will regregt this now!!) reliability has been fine.

Went to the garage once to have the cooling fans circuit fixed, a nasty little job that took three days - the mechanic had to chase a wiring fault. Other than that, she starts every day, I have had none of the much-talked about brake problems that some owners have suffered. It's got good points and bad points; I've had 405's up until now, the 406 has some useful storage space but is actually lower in the loadspace and I can't now fit my son's computer desk in upright when I fetch him from university.

One thing to watch is folding the rear seat down. I have just had two instances of the centre seat belt inertia reel locking when the seat back is down. Only cure was to unbolt the other end from under the seat. Very tricky. Now, I pull the belt right out and loop it around the front seat back to stop it happening.
 

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