Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - amateurphotographer
Hello

I am currently looking at replacing my ageing Ford Mondeo 1.8LX (05 Plate) as it is at that point where European breakdown insurance is increasing in price for less and less of a product as both the AA and RAC have said that sorry it is too old to bring back to the UK.

As a family of four adults, full boot and roof box we drive from Lincolnshire through Europe to Austria each year. German and Dutch motorways etc.

Now I know my current car is pretty much powerless (123Bhp, 170Nm torque), whilst it cruises happily at 40mpg at 70mph when fully laden when it comes to some of the hills it sadly lacks somewhat.

The new Mondeo is certainly a beast and am currently trying to decide between the following two engines:

1.5 Ecoboost - 160ps, 240Nm torque which gives 36.2 Urban, 61.4 Extra Urban, 48.7 Combined
2.0 Duratorq TDCI Econetic - 150ps, 350 torque which gives 61.4 Urban,76.4 Extra Urban ,68.9 Combined

Have looked at the Econetic purely as it gives 16inch wheels rather than 17inch as standard meaning tyres down the line will be a little cheaper from what I am told.

Now apart from that major hike through Europe my Monday to Friday mileage is basically 10 miles (20 minutes) from Start to Stop to and from work. My concern is that the diesel is not going to take kindly to this sort of mileage, the dealer said "no problems".

I would love to throw this open to you all to hear what people think, I have only ever bought secondhand what I can afford but this will be bought as an inheritance and will be kept for 5/10 years as I do not tend to change my car often, my current one I have had for 5 years already.

Thanks

Paul

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - RobJP

For that sort of stop-start motoring, I'd probably say to go with the petrol.

Of course, if the dealer says 'No problems', then ask him to sign a document to that extent, so that he takes full liability if there ARE any problems ...

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - Happy Blue!

I had an S-Max with the 2.0 TDCi 140bhp engine for almost five years and for most of that time my commute was about three miles each way on top of which was some urban driving around Greater Manchester and on the M60. Occasional longer trips on motorways. I drove about 9,000 miles each year in total.

I had no problems whatsoever with the engine (in fact only one easily fixed fault with the car) and would highly recommend this engine.

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - 72 dudes

Maybe Happy Blue was lucky.

Personally, I'd say why take the risk? Go for the petrol 1.5 which is getting some very good reviews.

The new Mondeo will be much heavier than your 2005 car, but with a turbo and usefully more torque, it should handle the hills on your European jaunt much better. Economy won't match the published figures of course, especially during your weekdays, but it should have no problem beating the economy of your 1.8.

See if you can arrange a test drive in both and take it from there.

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - skidpan

I had an S-Max with the 2.0 TDCi 140bhp engine

The early (before 2009 ish) S Max 2.0 did not have a DPF thus no worries in urban traffic.

All current diesels have DPF's so its a lottery regarding future problems. If the OP does reasonable weekend trips in addition to his commute he should be fine but he should be very careful taking a salesmans advice.

Edited by skidpan on 02/06/2015 at 17:29

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - amateurphotographer

Thanks, yes I was taking what he was saying carefully. Went back to work and did some googling and came here for some advice which I thank everyone for.

I would not say that I do weekend trips, only occasionally so I am of the mindset to go with the 1.5L petrol engine. At the basic figures it has 36Hp more and 70 more torque so am the theory goes it should be fine.

I know it is probably comparing apples and oranges but as a reasurance of sorts, mainly to also pacify my father who still believes you need a 2.0L otherwise it is not capable etc etc. The last time he had a 2.0L engine it would be a good 15 years or so ago so have just looked at the same generation as I have now at the 2.0 engine and notice that all of them have less horse power than this 1.5L but also less torque so hoping that will help with his moaning etc.

Apologies if this seems a little OTT but being a computer geek and wanting to get this investment right etc.

Thanks again for all your thoughts, they are all read and appreciated.

Paul

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - Manatee

I'd be pondering too.

My annual mileage has dropped from 18,000 to 8,000, and I am inclined to think my next car should be a petrol even though it needs to pull a caravan occasionally.

Reasoning is the complexity of modern diesels anyway, and of course the DPF feature vs. short journeys. Not that I have been having any problems so far - I prioritise the other (petrol) car for short journeys and mostly only use the Outlander diesel when it will get properly warm - say 8 miles or more.

However - the new generation of turbo petrols are not simple machines either, even though they do not have the DPF risk. Neither do they seem to get anywhere near the official fuel consumption figures (our Roomster with the 1.2TSI is about 20% off, driven carefully. It has so far averaged 38.2 mpg over 4400 miles, vs. the official combined figure of 49.6 mpg.)

That's not a directly relevant comment unfortunately - I have no experience or knowledge of how the Ford Ecoboost engines are performing in the real world, or the reliability of them; but I'd be looking hard.

Edited by Manatee on 02/06/2015 at 17:54

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - elekie&a/c doctor

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Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - gordonbennet

I have no experience of these new engines, however my tuppenceworth is to have a long test drive of any car/engine you are considering, but on the routes and terrain you choose only, absolutely do not test drive the route the sales bod wants you to go and do not be rushed, if it feels a bit weak at junctions etc then negotiate junctions/hill starts by the dozen till you are sure either way.

I know exactly where your father is coming from, the only proof of the pudding is the eating of it, all the theory and figures in the world mean diddly if the engine can't actually supply enough torque when you want it.

I've covered well over three million miles now, admittedly mainly in turbocharged Diesel lorries but it applies equally to the many hundreds of cars i've driven too in my previous work.

What i've found is that whilst on paper these modern smaller allegedly more powerful yet fuel efficient engines are all things to all men, in practice lack of low speed torque can be extremely frustrating in normal laid back driving....no doubt there are many exceptions and for all i know the new Ford petrol engines are superb, but then people reckoned the Mk3 Mondeo Diesels were the car to have, and i found to be one of the most horrid cars it's ever been my misfortune to drive, engine with a narrow torque band and very prone to stall, nothing at all then all hell breaks loose for a few seconds, bargepole job to me.

Only you can decide if its right for you.

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - Graham567

I have a 59 plate 2.0 tdci diesel engine which has a dpf and i only drive local trips of no more than 5 miles and the occasional long journey.The car is 5 years old and i have had no problems with the engine or dpf.You will find that the Ford TCDI engine is very robust as far as dpf problems are concerned.

The main things i do to help the engines life is change the oil every 8,000 miles and i use a low ash oil which doesn't block up the egr valve.

I also use Shell ulitimate diesel.I know its dearer but the regens are further apart and i feel that theres less soot produced thus helping all the engine components.Also i set the mileometer back to zero after its done a regen and then when it reads around 700 miles i take it for an Italian tune up which starts then next regen.

I think as long as your aware of the dpf and drive with it in mind then you'll have no problems.

I get 38mpg around town and 58mpg on the motoway,which i think for a 2.0 car is not bad.

To the OP i would get the diesel.

Edited by Graham567 on 02/06/2015 at 21:42

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - 72 dudes
What i've found is that whilst on paper these modern smaller allegedly more powerful yet fuel efficient engines are all things to all men, in practice lack of low speed torque can be extremely frustrating in normal laid back driving....

My FiL has the new Fiesta with the 1.0L Ecoboost engine (99BHP). I was amazed at how refined this engine is and how relaxing it was to drive. More like a diesel in that you did not have to rev it hard as there is plenty of low down torque.

but then people reckoned the Mk3 Mondeo Diesels were the car to have, and i found to be one of the most horrid cars it's ever been my misfortune to drive, engine with a narrow torque band and very prone to stall, nothing at all then all hell breaks loose for a few seconds, bargepole job to me.


GB, I reckon this might have been the 1.8 TDCi which was frankly a dog. The 2.0 TDCi with 140 BHP had a smooth, progressive power delivery, being a tweaked version of the PSA HDi unit.

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - skidpan

Particulate filters could be coming to petrol engines sooner than you

From what I have read petrol particulate filters will be very different to DPF's. They will not require regeneration as such since the combustion temp will keep them at the temp required to burn off the particles and the part itself will be much cheaper as well.

Constant cold starts and/or short journeys may be an issue I guess but such users should buy a bike or take the bus.

Lets not start killing off the petrol engine just yet, the doom mongers have already arranged a wake for the diesel.

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - SteveLee

I suspect we are not far from draconian anti-diesel taxation - it was mass stupidity to convert wholesale over to such a dirty engine - DPFs or not - and city air is suffering - The new religeon based on the emissions of plant food has a lot to answer for - we've reduced the emission of a harmless (actually essential for plant/crop growth) gas and replaced it with genuine polution.

I suspect a dose of reality will take hold and non commercial diesels will be taxed off the road - an added benefit will be that perhaps pedestrians will be able to hear themselves think again when walking alongside rush hour traffic without awful constant diesel clatter.

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - amateurphotographer

Many thanks to everyone who has given their advice. Have been doing some more digging and I think it will be the 1.5L petrol. It does seem to get good reviews on the net, will just need to try and find a dealer that has one.

Ford Mondeo - New Ford Mondeo - Engine Advice - IRC

I think you'll find the 1.5 better all round than the 1.8 you had.

I had a 2002 1.8 Mondeo for 6 yrs and replaced it with an Octavia 1.4Tsi which is 122BHP.

I find it pulls better from low revs than the Mondeo and is faster up to around 3000 RPM. Overall better in normal driving. My MPG has gone from low to high 30s to around 44-47 in normal use and up to 52 on long A road trips like Glasgow Skye.