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No, its about EU based companies coming to terms with having manufacturing facilities in a Country now outside the EU, just as UK companies are coming to terms with it.
There is no such thing as a pure 'British', 'Korean' or 'American' manufactured vehicle.
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No, its about EU based companies coming to terms with having manufacturing facilities in a Country now outside the EU, just as UK companies are coming to terms with it.
There is no such thing as a pure 'British', 'Korean' or 'American' manufactured vehicle.
There are no tariffs or restrictions on cars or car parts, so there is nothing to 'come to terms' with. This is down to pure spite from the EU, in the same why that they trying to illegally strangle exports of our fish and shellfish.
British consumers should buy British MADE cars such as Nissans and Toyotas. Some readers might remember the 'I'm Backing Britain' campaign from the late 1960's (I still have a badge) - Bruce Forsyth even released an I'm Backing Britain song. Time to resurrect that campaign I think!
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There are no tariffs or restrictions on cars or car parts, so there is nothing to 'come to terms' with. This is down to pure spite from the EU, in the same why that they trying to illegally strangle exports of our fish and shellfish.
Evidence?
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There are no tariffs or restrictions on cars or car parts, so there is nothing to 'come to terms' with. This is down to pure spite from the EU, in the same why that they trying to illegally strangle exports of our fish and shellfish.
Evidence?
Read the withdrawal agreement. Ok, don't bother, no amount of evidence is ever enough for a Remainer..
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<< Ok, don't bother, no amount of evidence is ever enough for a Remainer..>>
What a pathetically dismissive remark (presumably from a Leaver), when Leavers weren't interested in any kind of 'evidence'. They certainly didn't offer any, and as time passes nothing positive seems to be appearing.
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What a pathetically dismissive remark (presumably from a Leaver), when Leavers weren't interested in any kind of 'evidence'. They certainly didn't offer any, and as time passes nothing positive seems to be appearing.
Thank you, saved me the bother of composing a reply. Neither is their anything in the withdrawal agreement to support the assertion that the hurdles to exporting shellfish are illegal (but if they are they can be challenged). The issue is that the withdrawal agreement is so thin that it didn't deal with this issue, or the one that's ruining Scottish seed potato sellers.
It's also somewhat short of the truth to assert that vehicles and their parts can move without let or hindrance. The Withdrawal Agreement is the only trade deal in recorded history to place more barriers (customs etc paperwork) than the arrangements pre-dating it.
The restrictive socialist EU employment legislation and extravigant social costs are a double edged sword. They might make our workforce look more productive but UK workers are also cheaper to make redundant.
Edited by Bromptonaut on 23/02/2021 at 13:34
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<< This is down to pure spite from the EU, in the same why that they trying to illegally strangle exports of our fish and shellfish. >>
Are you saying that the Brussels bureaucracy is forcing PSA to dump Ellesmere Port ? That was always likely after the takeover of Vauxhall, in the same way that Ryton closed after PSA got Sunbeam Talbot. When there is overcapacity, business logic takes over.
There's no need for an anti-EU conspiracy theory. Looked at from the other end of the telescope it could be argued that the first fingers to go up were ours, when people voted to say they wanted out. Without stopping to think about what would happen afterwards.
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Are you saying that the Brussels bureaucracy is forcing PSA to dump Ellesmere Port ? That was always likely after the takeover of Vauxhall, in the same way that Ryton closed after PSA got Sunbeam Talbot. When there is overcapacity, business logic takes over.
Business logic would dictate that Ellesmere Port would be the last PSA factory to close since it is their most efficient by a 20% margin. Their EU factories are hobbled by restrictive socialist EU employment legislation and extravigant social costs. You can sure that behind the scenes Brussels are coercing PSA into keeping EU factories open and closing their more effiient UK factory. It is the exact opposite of 'business logic'.
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Business logic would dictate that Ellesmere Port would be the last PSA factory to close since it is their most efficient by a 20% margin. Their EU factories are hobbled by restrictive socialist EU employment legislation and extravigant social costs. You can sure that behind the scenes Brussels are coercing PSA into keeping EU factories open and closing their more effiient UK factory. It is the exact opposite of 'business logic'.
In that case, the logical conclusion of your argument is that "if only we hadn't left the EU, then PSA's most efficient factory would not only be unthreatened, but would have flourished."
So hurrah for Brexit, putting British jobs at risk for the sake of 'regaining' a sovereignty that we never lost in the first place. Well done!
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Business logic would dictate that Ellesmere Port would be the last PSA factory to close since it is their most efficient by a 20% margin. Their EU factories are hobbled by restrictive socialist EU employment legislation and extravigant social costs. You can sure that behind the scenes Brussels are coercing PSA into keeping EU factories open and closing their more effiient UK factory. It is the exact opposite of 'business logic'.
In that case, the logical conclusion of your argument is that "if only we hadn't left the EU, then PSA's most efficient factory would not only be unthreatened, but would have flourished."
So hurrah for Brexit, putting British jobs at risk for the sake of 'regaining' a sovereignty that we never lost in the first place. Well done!
Even when we were in the EU, Ellesmere Port was under threat every time they negotiated for a new model - the problem has always been that British factories are cheaper to close than French or German ones.
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This is nothing to do with economics or efficiency. Its all about EU companies (under pressure from their governments) wanting to punish Great Britain for standing up to the EU and daring to leave! Its about time British consumers boycotted EU cars and started buying British, Korean, American etc!
Which British cars do you suggest British consumers buy? Jaguar (owned by Tata Motors)? Rolls Royce / Bentley (owned by BMW)? Mini (owned by BMW)? MG (owned by SAIC in China)?
And how will buying Korean or American benefit British industry?
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I know various UK Police forces where trialing a Toyota Corolla estate 2.0 hybrid last year as a potential replacement patrol car for there current favourite vehicle of the 308 SW.
The Corolla is built in the UK.
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If car sales are falling and they need to reduce capacity, their decision may be driven by the very high costs of redundancy and closure in France vs UK. French politics and public perceptions of the company may also have a part to play. This is a short term issue.
Longer term and strategically Peugeot will be very aware of Brexit making UK a less attractive place to build cars. Tsansition to EVs means facilities need to be upgraded. Investment in tooling, design, sub-contractors etc is about their future plans, not current costs.
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Plus Ellesmere port being to efficient makes the French workers look bad - far easier in the long run to shut the UK factory.
Keeps the French government & workers happy plus off loads an unwanted production plant.
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This is nothing to do with economics or efficiency. Its all about EU companies (under pressure from their governments) wanting to punish Great Britain for standing up to the EU and daring to leave! Its about time British consumers boycotted EU cars and started buying British, Korean, American etc!
This post is symptomatic of a trend where the myth/meme of a bullying EU is used to cover up the fact that Brexit was sold on promises it cannot and will never deliver.
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I suspect the announcement that ICE engine cars are to be banned soon has quite a bit to do with the PSA jitters. Car purchase being a long term issue for most that's going to put buyers off isn't it. PSA management may see it as an opportunity to channel all their production to BEV vehicles probably in the Far East. That and the fact most people are probably a bit short at the moment. Car purchase when you are in lockdown also being a bit problematic. However maybe Opportunistic remoaners might like to reflect on Nissan position about Brexit. That far from a problem they see it as an opportunity. Perhaps they have better managers.
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This is nothing to do with economics or efficiency. Its all about EU companies (under pressure from their governments) wanting to punish Great Britain for standing up to the EU and daring to leave! Its about time British consumers boycotted EU cars and started buying British, Korean, American etc!
This post is symptomatic of a trend where the myth/meme of a bullying EU is used to cover up the fact that Brexit was sold on promises it cannot and will never deliver.
The above post plus one is symptomatic of an attitude which fails to realise that France is a EU member and the UK is not.
It is therefore totally logical and politically justified for the EU to support France over the UK as the site for a car plant.Anyone who thinks they are going to get any other reaction from the EU appears naive.
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This is nothing to do with economics or efficiency. Its all about EU companies (under pressure from their governments) wanting to punish Great Britain for standing up to the EU and daring to leave! Its about time British consumers boycotted EU cars and started buying British, Korean, American etc!
This post is symptomatic of a trend where the myth/meme of a bullying EU is used to cover up the fact that Brexit was sold on promises it cannot and will never deliver.
That's only an opinion. There are just as many with an opposing view to yours.
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That's only an opinion. There are just as many with an opposing view to yours.
Happy to acknowledge it's an opinion; it was posted as such.
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Vauxhall is NOT a British brand, never was. It’s a European car assembled in the UK. What next, claiming Toyota is British because the Auris is made here? Also, the EU doesn’t need to “punish” anyone (grow up), you’re punishing yourself as a country.
Edited by Avant on 23/02/2021 at 23:42
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Vauxhall was a British brand for close on 100 years, before being swallowed up by GM.
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The name, yes... the cars are Opel, as German as they get.
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Vauxhall is NOT a British brand, never was.
Yes it was, for 68 years.
Granted a long time has passed since GM acquired Vauxhall and it ceased to be independent, but it was very much a British brand. And back then, it was a much more prestigious make, a 30/98 could be considered a valid alternative to a Bentley!
Edited by badbusdriver on 23/02/2021 at 18:27
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GM bought Vauxhall in 1925.
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Vauxhall is NOT a British brand, never was. It’s a European car assembled in the UK. What next, claiming Toyota is British because the Auris is made here? Also, the EU doesn’t need to “punish” anyone (grow up), you’re punishing yourself as a country.
Yes, it was a British brand as Vauxhall was a British company until GM bought them in 1907. And even after that it's still a British brand...that's why they say brand an dnot manufacturer.
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