Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - Steveieb
First it was my farmer friends who told me that the engine in their 2012 TDV6 Discovery had blown.
They said the warning light for low oil flashed up but before they could do anything the engine had blown.
The car has an electronic dipstick and no manual check.
First of all the Main dealer quoted .15k for a new engine.
Searches for a second hand engine came to nothing so they got the engine rebuilt, which involves lifting the body off the chassis to access the power plant.
The cost was almost 10k

Now my neighbour who is LR mad has had the same thing happen to him and a question to HJ on this months HJ advice column confirms that there is a problem of excessive oil consumption with the Ford sourced engine.

As LR don't seem to be accepting any responsibility for this fault do you know of any class actions from unhappy customers.

But will nothing dampen these LR s fans enthusiasm ? My neighbour has already ordered a Defender !
Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - alan1302
But will nothing dampen these LR s fans enthusiasm ? My neighbour has already ordered a Defender !

Which is a good reason for Land Rover to now want to do anyhting

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - RobJP

Not defending LR at all, but in both of those cases there is a complete lack of any detail regarding mileage, service history and maintenance ... the whole lot.

It could be that the cars concerned have got 150-200k on the clock, with independent service history or self-serviced from day 1.

Without a lot of details, it'simpossible to pin any blame on any party.

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - corax

It could be that the cars concerned have got 150-200k on the clock, with independent service history or self-serviced from day 1.

That mileage would be just nicely run in for a Land Cruiser. By all accounts the Discovery is the king of the hill when it comes to refinement, road manners and off road prowess according to the motoring (nice new thing to test, isn't it just fandabidosy) press. It's a shame that they always seem to turn into money pits a few years down the line when actually owning them.

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - gordonbennet

The problem with the luxury cars like this is that they made them so technical, and instead of finding an engine suitable for a truck, big lazy and torquey, they plonked car engines in, multi cylinder but relatively small swept volume per cylinder, which haven't proved to be especially durable unless maintained over and above.

One could wonder too what sort of mechanical sympathy these dead engines have seen, run low on oil? thrashed to hell from cold? switched off with the turbos still glowing red?

Maybe the sales successes have a sting in the tail, for them, in that in the newer catchments of buyers and users are people with little knowledge about looking after vehicles (i know of Disco 3's and 4s which have done immense mileage but have been looked after properly), where possibly Japanese competitor vehicles haven't appealed to the demograph that lacks mechanical sympathy to quite the same extent?

I don't know the answer to that question obviously as this is only opinion, just wondering aloud, i freely admit to being a Landcruiser fan, but if you neglect and abuse them they too won't forgive you, but Toyota hedge their bets by not offering stupid service intervals, nor do they try to get sports car performance from their industrial vehicle range.

I hope the new Defender has the simple attricbutes of the old one.

Edited by gordonbennet on 24/04/2018 at 19:56

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - Metropolis.

You can count me as a Landy fan but even I will be glad to see the back of these PSA/Ford engines. Buttery smooth, effortless powertrains but far too prone to sudden catastrophic failure. From what I understand LR did eventually iron out the niggles on the later ones but it puts off even a brand loyalist like myself. Know alot of others in the farming community who have bought these, found them to be excellent all-round vehicles without a real competitor (Land Cruiser doesn't have 3.5 ton tow capacity). Let down by horrendous Land Rover customer service and costly engine failures you have described. Let's hope the in-house Ingenium engines (DPF issues aside!!) improves things. Last time Land Rover made an in-house diesel engine (the td5) it was a roaring success, save for BMW's insistance on using plastic locator dowels on the cylinder head, later remedied by Ford switching them back to steel. Please Toyota, buy Land Rover, and we'll have the best cars on earth...

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - gordonbennet

(Land Cruiser doesn't have 3.5 ton tow capacity).

Good point about the 3.5 ton towing capability, Toyota downrated the standard Landcruiser to IIRC 2.8 tons, probably to keep the Amazon range as the top weight puller, yet they've pulled the Amazon 200 from UK sales, to be fair it didn't sell in high enough numbers.

They have launched a more basic Landcruiser at very good prices, though still hobbled on towing capacity, yet i've known of people that have always towed well in excess of 3.5 with Hilux and standard Landcruiser and the vehicles laugh at the weight despite not being plated so high.

But Toyota still have the modernised 70/78 series on the books, now powered by the hefty 4.5 V8 Diesel and 3.5t (or as much as you could want in reality) towing, but won't bring that here...i'd have thought this period without a proper commercial LandRover to sell would have been the time to strike with that 70 series vehicle in any of its various formats.

You'd love it PC, its everything the Defender should be and with the engine Defender always cried out for, though they kept the old style drive, RWD normal with locking diffs all round so centre diff has to be locked to get drive to the front axle, not sure that UK buyers could cope with having to think about terrain and grip etc regarding transmission wind up if they left it in 4WD after leaving the slippy stuff!

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - corax

GB, how do you rate the 07 on Mitsubishi Shogan against the Land Cruiser?

Still only an updated version of an old design which maybe counts in it's favour, and a car which you can get a bit cheaper, although you usually get what you pay for, but it's another car that owners mostly rave about compared to the testers reviews.

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - Steveieb
Can some one please attach the link from HJ s April questions from another disgruntled Discovery owner who had the same problem of blown engine with little warning ?
Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - Brit_in_Germany

www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/honest-johns-motoring-ag.../

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - gordonbennet

GB, how do you rate the 07 on Mitsubishi Shogan against the Land Cruiser?

Still only an updated version of an old design which maybe counts in it's favour, and a car which you can get a bit cheaper, although you usually get what you pay for, but it's another car that owners mostly rave about compared to the testers reviews.

My lad did a lot of research on these because he quite fancied one.

Basically sound, though high pressure fuel pump can peg out (i did wonder if previous misfuellings might be the issue here) and the timing chain guide needs replacing as mileage creeps up, don't know how involved that is.

Outlander and Shogun Sport (more or less and L200 shooting brake) are decent enough motors too.

Yes the Shogun is an old design now, but none the worse for that and i personally admire the Japanese makers, especially with their commercial biased vehicles, if it aint broke don't fix it.

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - corax
the timing chain guide needs replacing as mileage creeps up, don't know how involved that is.

£100 job according to Car Mechanics mag so it can't be that hard to do.

I've been doing some research of my own and still think the Land Cruiser clinches it for it's spread of ability.

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - gordonbennet
I've been doing some research of my own and still think the Land Cruiser clinches it for it's spread of ability.

I agree but then i've always liked them, but at some serious cost to buy a good example, the used values are just ridiculous, though the latest version in its more basic trims is remarkable value brand new IMHO.

At £100 all in that timing chain mod is a must on the Mitsi.

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - SLO76
“how do you rate the 07 on Mitsubishi Shogan against the Land Cruiser?”

I sold the older gen models when I was a salesman and they had a very loyal following among owners. Only major issue we ever encountered was on earlier 2.5 diesels which were bad for head gasket failure beyond 100k.

We took in a fair number of LR Discovery and Range Rovers from disgruntled punters sick of gearbox and electrical issues. Shame as the engines were generally good.

It was rare we got a Land Cruiser in. The VX was a step up from the Shogun and nearly indestructible. We did get the odd 3dr 2.4 in but these were antiques even back then.

Worst of the lot to drive was the Daihatsu Fourtrack, especially the non-turbo 2.8 diesel. Horrid in every way.
Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - Steveieb
As HJ concludes this engine collapse is not uncommon and happening at 6 years plus it's just outside the goodwill zone.
This leaves owners only two acceptable options.
A) Accept a trade in on the car against a new one valued around £2500
B) Get the engine rebuilt by a LR specialist fir just under £7 k

Personally I would opt for option B which would be much cheaper if it was possible to buy a new engine from the engine manufacturers not LR
Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - expat

What about option C: a Chevy V8?

www.marks4wd.com/landrover-engine-conversions

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - Metropolis.

Would have been a strange move by Toyota, famed for putting customer first to downrate the Prado's towing capacity simply to upsell the Amazon (apologies for the outdated names, I can't remember the model numbers!). I had assumed it was something to do with it being quite a tall/narrow design, although happy to be corrected.. I am also curious as to why they don't bring the 70 series here, it's a brilliant vehicle and would finally convert, and yes, 'convert' as Land Rover is a religion, the agricultural sector to Toyota. It is exactly as you say, it's everything the Defender should have been. I think LR were lazy with the Defender, sticking a rubbish transit engine in it when it would have really benefited from a de-tuned slightly simplified TDV8 and a petrol performance model with the Jag v8 in it (something they are only just doing via purchasing used models and rebuilding..) . It's body on frame, essentially a blank canvass built like mecchano! If Jeep can do it to the Wrangler, Mercedes to the G Wagon, Toyota the 70 series and Ford about to release a Bronco, there was no reason Land Rover couldn't keep the Defender going in its latest guise. The only possible reason is the men in suits drinking soya decaffinated lattes want to change the customer base away from its agricultural roots, pity that as it will be suicide for the company in the long-run. LR have long enjoyed some of the most loyal followers of any brand anywhere, despite their faults. They won't get that from the 'made in chelsea' bunch! An interesting comparison between the Defender and the Toyota here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNcs0dcjyB8 by Andrew St.Pierre White. He's now in Australia with a 70 series wagon.

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - corax

It's body on frame, essentially a blank canvass built like mecchano! If Jeep can do it to the Wrangler, Mercedes to the G Wagon, Toyota the 70 series and Ford about to release a Bronco, there was no reason Land Rover couldn't keep the Defender going in its latest guise.

I heard that the Defender couldn't pass the latest crash safety regulations. I don't suppose the 70 series land cruiser would pass either even though as a vehicle it runs rings around the defender for build quality.

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - masiv

My friend has one of these Land Cruisers and he said he could pull a train with it.

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20180305427...2

Land Rover Discovery - Yet another Blown engine - marysmith

agree with your opinion

 

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