Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - Ronan Tighe

Long time lurker...1st time poster. I'm in ROI but car models and spec similiar.

In laws need new car. They're trading fairly good car so budget not really an issue. ..but I'll say £35k rrp just to keep things reasonable.So far easy. However it must meet following criteria:
* 3 door only...my father in law, aged 80, in wheel chair. No longer drives. They intend to install swivel passenger seat for easier access. This can only be done in 3 doors car. In any event 3 door easier access. ..they never have rear seat passangers anyways
*must be petrol or hybrid automatic. No interest in electric. Do lots short journey so don't want diesel. Also get disabilty rebate on fuel
* must have boot big enough for wheelchair. But not a deep boot..and not too high off ground...ideally level loading area. Mother in law be lifting the wheelchair in and out and, although healthy, is 70.
*Must be reliable for 5 years. Although will only cover c. 50k miles in that time.
Bit of a head scratcher. They dont want van type mobility vehicle. Thanks in advance.

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - klu01dbt

Really with these requirements your inlaws will need to try a lot of different cars in person to see what they can get in and out of easily and this will be different for everyone so it is very hard to give useful advice regarding makes.

They need to narrow down what they want to a variety of makes AND types e.g. hatchback, small SUV and then go and try them all. Once you have an approximate list go to a car supermarket if you have one near you so you can try lots of cars, even if you intend to buy new. If not near a car supermarket they will need to trapse round a load of dealerships. Think about taking some access aids with you https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=helping+hand+for+car that they might find helpful.

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - Avant

Agreed - they can only solve this by trying out cars for size and suitability.

The main problem is going to be that 2- or 3-door cars are mostly either small cars or low-slung coupes. I don't know where you'd get swivelling seats from in Ireland, but may be there's a supplier who can advise you what cars they find the seats work best in.

Ideally Pa-in-law needs a car he can get into and out of without having to climb down or up.

Range Rover Evoque? But visibility is so bad to the side and rear of the 3-door version that I'd hesitate to recommend it. But that's the sort of car where a swivel seat might work in the 5-door.

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - bathtub tom

If they only do short journeys, how about a Wheelchair Accessible Vehicle (WAV), then the wheelchair occupant wouldn't have to get out and back in the wheelchair for each journey?

ps. I agonised over journeys or journies.

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - Avant

" I agonised over journeys or journies."

Pedants' corner - it's definitely 'journeys'. Plurals in -ies go with a singular y but not a singular ey (thus pennies, buggies but journeys, donkeys). Just one of those rules - no idea of the reason for it except that pennys / buggys looks odd!

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - bathtub tom

" I agonised over journeys or journies."

Pedants' corner - it's definitely 'journeys'. Plurals in -ies go with a singular y but not a singular ey (thus pennies, buggies but journeys, donkeys). Just one of those rules - no idea of the reason for it except that pennys / buggys looks odd!

OK, what about hoofs and hooves - roofs and rooves?

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - FiestaOwner

Have you thought about the Ford B-Max?

It is a 5 door, however there is no pillar between the front and rear sliding door. Should be suitable for swivel seat.

"Must be petrol or hybrid automatic". I'm reading this as petrol manual OR hybrid automatic.

There is a 1.4 petrol manual gearbox version. I would be wary of the powershift automatic gearbox, if it's still a dual clutch version which is fitted to these cars. I would also be wary of the 1.0 Ecoboost engines.

www.ford.co.uk/cars/b-max

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - FiestaOwner
"Must be petrol or hybrid automatic". I'm reading this as petrol manual OR hybrid automatic.

There is a 1.4 petrol manual gearbox version. I would be wary of the powershift automatic gearbox, if it's still a dual clutch version which is fitted to these cars. I would also be wary of the 1.0 Ecoboost engines.

Sorry, The B-Max auto is a 1.6 Powershift which I'm sure is still a dual clutch box.

Would be wary of this gearbox outside of manufacturers warranty.

If the B-Max is suitable from a practical viewpoint, then perhaps you could keep it for the 3 year warranty term (instead of 5) then replace it. The B-Max is well below budget.

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - argybargy
"Must be petrol or hybrid automatic". I'm reading this as petrol manual OR hybrid automatic.

There is a 1.4 petrol manual gearbox version. I would be wary of the powershift automatic gearbox, if it's still a dual clutch version which is fitted to these cars. I would also be wary of the 1.0 Ecoboost engines.

Sorry, The B-Max auto is a 1.6 Powershift which I'm sure is still a dual clutch box.

Would be wary of this gearbox outside of manufacturers warranty.

If the B-Max is suitable from a practical viewpoint, then perhaps you could keep it for the 3 year warranty term (instead of 5) then replace it. The B-Max is well below budget.

I can confirm that it is a dual clutch box but is no longer fitted to new Ford cars.

For those with Powershift problems a new improved clutch is available to replace the troublesome original unit, but unlike in the USA and Oz where the warranty has been extended to seven years, the UK clutch warranty is five years, after which any failures become the owner's problem.

I own one, and although I've had the new clutch fitted, I won't take the risk of hanging onto it beyond the five year warranty period, even though I have heard anecdotes about some Ford dealers, presumably unofficially, continuing to effect repairs beyond warranty.

However...with the Ecoboost engine, (or 1.4 if you don't need to pull the skin off any rice puddings) it would probably do the job for the OP with those huge, pillarless, sliding doors.

Edit: just seen the clarification that only auto is appropriate. The B Max doesn't feature a "normal" auto across the range, so as suggested above, you could buy a later one and then change it before the warranty runs out.

Edited by argybargy on 09/11/2017 at 23:41

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - SLO76
They're severely limiting their options by restricting it to 3 door cars only. Swivel chairs can be installed in 5dr vehicles, I've seen them before, even had to remove one from a Citroen ZX 5dr I took as a part ex once many years back. The owner and his wife managed fine with it for nearly ten years before I flogged them a Berlingo.

Three door cars tend to be superminis, hot hatches or sports coupes, none of which are exactly easy access. I'd verify the details of the swivel chair as I can't believe this is accurate. They really do need the option of going 5dr to find a suitable car. I'm struggling to think of anything that would grant easy access but has 3drs which I'd recommend. Possibly the Seat Leon 1.2/1.4 TSi or Audi A3 1.4 TSi. Most manufacturers are moving away from offering 3dr versions of their mainstream cars with Ford no longer having a 3dr Ka or Focus and the latest Suzuki Swift being 5dr only also.

For easy a access and reliability it's hard to beat the likes of the Honda Jazz or HR-V.

Edited by SLO76 on 09/11/2017 at 07:09

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - Ronan Tighe

An installer they visited and another they contacted both said 3 door. I agree a wide opening 5 door wold be better, and definitely offer more choice!

Sorry I should have been clearer-I meant petrol automatic or hybrid (obviously all automatic)

B max a good suggestion, someone else has suggested B class Mercedes, trying to find door width! The Jazz needs investigating -I'm a fan.

Thanks all...some great input so far!

Edited by Ronan Tighe on 09/11/2017 at 19:40

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - SLO76
"Sorry I should have been clearer-I meant petrol automatic or hybrid (obviously all automatic)"

They don't do enough mileage to warrant a hybrid of any sort. It'll cost them vastly more that it would save and it further limits the choice. I can't think of any hybrid 3dr cars that would suit someone with access issues. A rethink is required here.
Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - badbusdriver

An installer they visited and another they contacted both said 3 door. I agree a wide opening 5 door wold be better, and definitely offer more choice!

Sorry I should have been clearer-I meant petrol automatic or hybrid (obviously all automatic)

B max a good suggestion, someone else has suggested B class Mercedes, trying to find door width! The Jazz needs investigating -I'm a fan.

Thanks all...some great input so far!

We have a current honda jazz ex auto (cvt), and i can confirm it is a brilliant little car. But, you would need to speak to your installer to see if it is possible. The fuel tank on a jazz is under the front seats, so there may not be enough space to fit the swivel mounting. The doors do open nice and wide though.

Don't laugh, but i was actually thinking about the smart fortwo. 2 doors, surprisingly big boot (i have searched on line, and it seems that not only will a 'normal' wheelchair fit in there, but so will some of the smaller electric mobility scooters). The engine is under the boot, so the boot is at the same level as the opening (i.e, not 'deep'). The seating position is nice and high, and obviously parking one will be an absolute doddle. As far as i can see, assuming they liked the look of, the only minus point is that the auto is a dual clutch automated manual. Not sure how these are holding up reliability wise in the smart fortwo and forfour (and the twingo), maybe someone else does?.

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - Bianconeri
It’s a 5 door but I’d say the Kia Niro hybrid is worth a look. I’ve had one for 15 months and I’m delighted. It is the most ‘normal’ hybrid I’ve driven and the build quality is outstanding. I rarely see less than 55mpg and usually around 60 without consciously driving economically.

Stay away from the chains and they have some really good dealers too.

Despite the recent SPAM posts implying Kia / Hyundai have a myriad of problems mine has been faultless, not even a trim rattle.
Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - Happy Blue!

Bit old, but Renault Avantime? Would be perfect, a three door MPV....

Grins and runs for cover......

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - SLO76

Bit old, but Renault Avantime? Would be perfect, a three door MPV....

Grins and runs for cover......

Do the authorities know you've escaped again?
Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - FiestaOwner

Thanks for clarifying that the manual gearbox is out. B-Max is available with 1.6 petrol engine and Powershift dual clutch automatic gearbox. Many back roomers don't like the dual clutch autos.

Found a video of the swivel seats being used in a B-Max. Think this is the Autoadapt swivel seats: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OojkVoCrPrQ

Autoadapt website: www.autoadapt.com/en/products/getting-seated/turno.../

Video of a powered swivel seat in a 5 door car. This seat will be expensive, I was finding prices between £4500 and £6500 (Car not included!). Don't know what Motability Ireland's price is: www.motabilityireland.com/conversions/passenger-co...o

Make sure you get a demo of these seats (in a suitable vehicle) BEFORE committing to purchase. Make sure your father in law tries it. Make sure your Mother in law can work it, without assistance from the salesman! A salesman can make it look easy!

If your father in law needs someone to lift his legs in (or out) of the car, that makes it more awkward/ difficult to do.

You will see in the 1st video I linked, that there is not a lot of room between the seat and the dashboard. It is awkward to lift another persons legs in (or out) at that point.

Please keep us updated. Would be interested in the final car and seat choice. Or if you come up with a different solution. Any further queries, we're all willing to assist.

Any - New 3 door petrol-boot for wheelchair - argybargy

Again on the B Max, I did read somewhere very recently that the warranty on the Powershift gearbox in the UK has been increased from five to seven years. I think the author may be confusing the UK situation with that in the US and Australia, where there have been class actions against the manufacturer which have obliged Ford to take a more generous approach. Nevertheless, I'm making enquiries to find out whether there's any truth in this claim.

If so it must be a very recent amendment, because my own dealer just a month ago confirmed that the gearbox warranty on my 13 plate car runs out next June.

 

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