The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - MikeM100

I read that the the Nokia 3310 mobile phone is to manufactured once again !

www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/15/nokia-3...n

Any thoughts from forum members on what would be the equivalent in the car world ?

It strikes me that we are making cars that are far too complicated and we perhaps need to go back to basics as echoed in this discussion:

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=117658

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - RT

Early Vauxhall Cavalier mk3 - simple emission controls, reasonably reliable, easily fixed.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - RaineMan

J reg Vauxhall Carlton. Total reliability for nine years. Whilst it had fuel injection it was controlled by a minimal ECU unlike todays cars that control and monitor far to much!

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - bazza

Those Cavaliers were superb cars, simple, good to drive and reliable. When they did break, they were easy to fix, with the famous 30 minute clutch change, I think those engines were called Family 1 or 2? We had a 1600 estate at work, which we would regularly pull 100 mph in 3rd, with the needle well into the red zone. It was unbreakable. There was also an1800 Sri in the fleet, which was swriously quick, I remeber pulling over 125 in it on my private road.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - RT

Those Cavaliers were superb cars, simple, good to drive and reliable. When they did break, they were easy to fix, with the famous 30 minute clutch change, I think those engines were called Family 1 or 2? We had a 1600 estate at work, which we would regularly pull 100 mph in 3rd, with the needle well into the red zone. It was unbreakable. There was also an1800 Sri in the fleet, which was swriously quick, I remeber pulling over 125 in it on my private road.

Before my mk3, I had a mk2 1.8SRi Cavalier, 115 bhp, but I managed to redline it in top on a downhill stretch on the M1, you could feel the limiter operating - clocking 134 so a tad over 120 true speed.

Taught me a valuable lesson - Volvo about 1/2 mile ahead in middle lane pulls out to overtake at truck - I was up his **** in no time - not a place to have 50 mph differential, never did it again!

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - SLO76

Early Vauxhall Cavalier mk3 - simple emission controls, reasonably reliable, easily fixed.

Good call. I flogged loads of these used in the 90's and the only trouble we ever had was the hazard warning switch failing. Every Cavalier taxi you stepped into would have a wee bit of rolled up card stuffed down the side of the switch to keep the hazards off. Otherwise brilliant old things. Non-interference engines except for the 16v 2.0 and even the 1.4 could hit 100mph and beat the equivalent 1.6 Sierra while doing 15mpg more. Plenty of room, good ride, easy to service and no trouble to sell on again. The Isuzu 1.7 turbo diesel, 1.6 carb and 2.0 efi 8v are the sweet spots but must have PAS unless you've a desire for weight training while driving. Loved selling them, you knew they'd never be back in anger and regularly took one as my runner because they were no trouble and were good on fuel for their size. Diesels flew out the door. I often took a Volvo 440 too for the heated seats. Not as solidly made but rarely gave any bother and again comfy and decent on juice.

Edited by SLO76 on 17/02/2017 at 19:29

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - retgwte

Cam belts snapped and the pistons would hit the valves. Although to be fair they mostly fixed under warranty. Rust issue around rear door catch points, they would always get bad there.

Airbags that were pretty primitive.

Early ones with no power steering were a pain.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - Wackyracer

As somebody who never looks back with rose tinted glasses, I wouldn't want any of my old cars back even if they made new versions of them.

We already have some basic cars like Dacia, which use the modern stuff I like and none of the worthless 'must have' tat that I don't want.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - RobJP

The only thing I could really think of would be the 1998-2004 Audi A6 (in estate form) with either 1.9 or 2.5 diesel engines and a manual gearbox.

Utterly solid. Unfortunately that engine didn't take well to the addition of a DPF.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - gordonbennet

Volvo 140/240/740, especially 740 estate with VW's LT van 2.4 turboDiesel under the bonnet, i'd buy one now if they were still made.

Honda Civic 2.0S type up to 2005.

Toyota Camry/Corolla/Carina 90's versions, though the same could apply to so many from Japan from that era, eg Mazda 626, Nissan Bluebird, later on Yaris.

Landcruiser 70/80 series, 70 series still available until last year, still live axles both ends, still on leaf springs at least at the rear, still unbreakable.

Agree with Cavalier 3.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - corax

240, 760, 850 Volvo estates. Strong, rust resistant body, strong mechanicals, large window area and good boxy load space. Excellent seating and ventilation.

Just improve the leaking heater matrix on the 850, bring the petrol price down, sorted.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - elekie&a/c doctor

I am still using a Mondeo 1999 fitted with a 3310 nokia hard wired hands free cradle and matching phone.Can it get any better than this.??

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - SLO76

I am still using a Mondeo 1999 fitted with a 3310 nokia hard wired hands free cradle and matching phone.Can it get any better than this.??

Bought a 2000 W plate Mk II for the Rex to Nice banger rally a few years back. Brilliant thing to drive round those Alpine passes, far better handling and ride combination than most bulky modern equivalents. Cost £300 with 6mths Mot, 65k and a pile of service receipts and flogged with General Lee vinyl wrap and Dixie horns for £300 after 4,000 miles of abuse and antics. No Nokia phone in ours but surprisingly had working air con which was a bonus in Italy and South of France.
The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - Steveieb

Audi 80 93-94 TDI with the long lived 1Y engine. Great fuel consumption, Galvanised body. Available in saloon and Estate form.

Public outcry in Belgium when it was replaced by the A4

which they believed didnt match the quality of the 80.

Sad day when mine was loaded on the transporter on the way to the scrapyard. Only wished I had sourced a new engine. Covered nearly 200k miles in perfect harmony.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - MikeM100

My 'best' car was a Passat B4 Turbo (Not TDI) bought with 20k on clock. I did 65k miles , my wife 35k and my daughter another 35k before being advised to scrap it by a garage doing MOT due to a failed starter motor !

I think what I seek is the appropriate use of technology. There is no denying that electronic ignition is more reliable than Kettering ignition and fuel injection possibly better than carburettors (although I do recall that my Dad's Austin Seven used to do 45 mpg)

What car manufacturers have done is to pile technology and particularly electronics into cars for technology's sake. It all goes wrong and nobody has any clue as to how to fix it economically.

That three year old (out of warranty) cars are 'scrapped' is criminal. We have 30 year old jumbo jets flying round the world for heavens sake !

I despair, as I drive a 17 year old Golf GTI and my wife a 13 year old Passat B5. They are both getting very 'tired' (as we are) and we both need newer cars.

However I just cannot decide what to buy due to reliability (or lack of) and have therefore been following the following threads with interest:

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=116060

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=117658

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - Miniman777

As someone else said, the Mk 3 Cavalier was a tough car. Did 186k miles in mine (F842EUM), just had new alternator, new battery and never had any reason to disturb the cylinder head or transmission. It was a bombproof car.

Manufacturers today tend rush products to market without fully testing them (eg: DSG gearboxes, TSI engines, Teves ABS pumps) or ignore the 'faults' so that they are warranty and 2nd/3rd owner issues, making them face massive bills. I simply do not believe that many of the common faults in cars today never manifested themselves in testing, and because they are seldom safety related, no DVLA recalls.

But manufacturers have gotten cute on car longevity, making sure it will last for x years, and then down the line produce a newer model with more 'must haves'. When I worked at Jaguar, all the various changes for the next few model years were planned and under test, cars off under wraps to MIRA every week.

Jaguar also had a policy of getting a competitor car - BMW, Lexus, Mercedes - stick it in the foyer at the Whitley R&D site asking employees for comments, before taking it to the workshops to dismantle, learn and improve their own processes.

And then Ford bought Jaguar.......

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - RT

As someone else said, the Mk 3 Cavalier was a tough car. Did 186k miles in mine (F842EUM), just had new alternator, new battery and never had any reason to disturb the cylinder head or transmission. It was a bombproof car.

Manufacturers today tend rush products to market without fully testing them (eg: DSG gearboxes, TSI engines, Teves ABS pumps) or ignore the 'faults' so that they are warranty and 2nd/3rd owner issues, making them face massive bills. I simply do not believe that many of the common faults in cars today never manifested themselves in testing, and because they are seldom safety related, no DVLA recalls.

But manufacturers have gotten cute on car longevity, making sure it will last for x years, and then down the line produce a newer model with more 'must haves'. When I worked at Jaguar, all the various changes for the next few model years were planned and under test, cars off under wraps to MIRA every week.

Jaguar also had a policy of getting a competitor car - BMW, Lexus, Mercedes - stick it in the foyer at the Whitley R&D site asking employees for comments, before taking it to the workshops to dismantle, learn and improve their own processes.

And then Ford bought Jaguar.......

Ford have "always" bought competitors cars, evaluated them, dismantled them and costed them - that's how they knew the original Mini cost more than it's selling price when even BMC didn't know that level of detail!

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - madf

As someone else said, the Mk 3 Cavalier was a tough car. Did 186k miles in mine (F842EUM), just had new alternator, new battery and never had any reason to disturb the cylinder head or transmission. It was a bombproof car.

Manufacturers today tend rush products to market without fully testing them (eg: DSG gearboxes, TSI engines, Teves ABS pumps) or ignore the 'faults' so that they are warranty and 2nd/3rd owner issues, making them face massive bills. I simply do not believe that many of the common faults in cars today never manifested themselves in testing, and because they are seldom safety related, no DVLA recalls.

But manufacturers have gotten cute on car longevity, making sure it will last for x years, and then down the line produce a newer model with more 'must haves'. When I worked at Jaguar, all the various changes for the next few model years were planned and under test, cars off under wraps to MIRA every week.

Jaguar also had a policy of getting a competitor car - BMW, Lexus, Mercedes - stick it in the foyer at the Whitley R&D site asking employees for comments, before taking it to the workshops to dismantle, learn and improve their own processes.

And then Ford bought Jaguar.......

Ford have "always" bought competitors cars, evaluated them, dismantled them and costed them - that's how they knew the original Mini cost more than it's selling price when even BMC didn't know that level of detail!

This has been standard practise for at least 50 years..

I drive a Mark1 Jazz.. Virtually bombproof if maintained.. It is now 14 years old.. Apart from consumables, 4 glowplugs, 1 heater reistor and several sets of anti roll bar rubbers (now converted to Mark 1 Focus rear ones - more robust). Fully galvanused aoart from roof. No water leaks .. ever.

Edited by madf on 19/02/2017 at 10:41

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - Avant

"Manufacturers today tend to rush products to market without fully testing them (eg: DSG gearboxes, TSI engines, Teves ABS pumps)."

They will claim that they do test them - but they don't seem to manage to replicate the sort of use that Mr and Mrs Average Punter will put them to. They claim to test them to the limit - but I expect that the test drivers are professionals who have more 'car sympathy' than Arthur Punter who specialises in short journeys and the occasional vist to the senior Punters. Arthur Punter senior drives a 20-year-old Toyota and can't see what the problem is, because Toyota did test them properly in the first place.

They test them in far-flung parts of the world, presumably so that we won't see them (otherwise we'd stop buying the current model). One the new model is announced, as you say they rush it to the market because people want them.

I'm not sure what the answer to this is. With ever-more-complex electronics the problem is getting worse, not better.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - Manatee

The nearest we've had was probably a 2002 Civic 1.6 auto. 12 years from new, and absolutely nothing went wrong with it.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - concrete

My last Superb with 1.9Tdi PD130 AWX engine. Great engine and gearbox. Some design issues with the lack of drainage and the electronics vulnerable to this. Previously my 1990 Honda Accord 2.0i. Engine like a turbine with electric motor quietness. All the bells and whistles and only minimal electronic control. That is one car I would buy now if they made it the same.

Cheers Concrete

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - daveyK_UK

Nissan Almera deserves a mention, as does Toyota starlet and Toyota Auris.

Honda legend, Hoda civic and Honda shuttle others that spring to mind.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - bathtub tom

Nissan Almera deserves a mention

I'll second that, had mine for nine years and all I replaced were oil & filters, plugs, tyres, pads, wipers, one battery and finally it let me down (but got me home) with a failed camshaft position sensor. I don't recall ever replacing a bulb on it!

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - Dogfuzz

What about the Morris 1000? . They seemed to go on and on ...

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - strowger
The Corsa B. We've had a few in the family as bangers, friends have had them. Extraordinarily well-engineered, solid, reliable vehicles.

No huge pleasure to drive but great transport. Never rust. All the electrical bits keep on working. Crazily cheap used, you can pay £300 for one and be likely to get years of reliable service from it.
The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - JEREMYH

Had the combo with the Corsa B engine absolutly bullet proof

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - Fishermans Bend

Toyota Carina E and the Avensis that followed. Original Mercedes 190 and the W123.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - dodo

What about Mazda 626? In low rent 1.8 LX I know a friend has had his for fifteen years bought Cat D with a scratched door and still going strong.

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - daveyK_UK

agree 100%

likewise the combo van that was based on the same chassis

went on forever

The Nokia 3310 of Cars ? - tourantass
Does anyone know if there was a vw with the 1.9 pd engine but also a propor (torque converter) automatic gearbox?
 

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