Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - jst008

Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum but not new to the forum & have read many MANY threads similar to my query but mot actually hitting the nail squarely on the head.

I drive a 2011 Mondeo Titanium X 1.6TDCi Estate, the Econetic version which on the whole is a very nice car to car. But this week I have suffered the dreaded engine malfunction warning light & the car goes into limp home mode. Stop car turn off engine, restart which resets it but it happens again 100m up the road even if your trying to be very careful.

As this has happened twice in 4 months the garage made some further calls to Ford who told them that the additives that supermarkets add to diesel are not the same as the additives big brands add to diesel. So although I'm doing nothing wrong buy using supermarket diesel when you mix it with big brand diesel it causes a "gelling" in the fuel filter which reduces fuel pressure which the engine does not like, hence engine malfunction.

I've read other posts talk about having replacement injectors / new dpf's but this (i'm told) is all wrong. Also the problem is common only to 1.6TDCi engines as these have much finer filters (apparently). Also the technician said this was a "southern" phenomenon as the problem is rarely heard of north of Birmingham. Something to do with the cr@p fule we get in London.

The additives are generally added from September to March so during this period the advice was to stick to one type of fuel or the other but do not mix. Has anyone else heard of this?

Sorry if it has been discussed before but I could not find it from any searches.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - Cris_on_the_gas

Reckon the garage are spinning you a yarn so they don't have to do any warranty work.

Write to the dealer telling them that the car is "unsatisfactory" unless they find a permanent solution to the problem and you wish to reserve your rights generally under the Sale of Goods act in the meantime.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - Simon

I'd take it to different dealer next time it happens.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - Collos25

If it was an older model the problem would be the LHM is either the EGR or the turbo actuator the second being very expensive but this is a newish car still under warranty unless its a very high miler,the garage is telling you a fairy tale of enormous proportions.

Edited by Collos25 on 13/03/2013 at 10:36

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - craig-pd130

As others have said, that is utter, utter bullmud, and it's breathtaking that the manufacturer and dealer are trying to fob you off with an excuse like that.

So what Ford are saying is that the diesel fuel commonly available and used by over half of the population of England is unsuitable for their cars, despite it meeting the required EN590 standard?

In that case, the logical conclusion of that argument is that the car is not fit for purpose, enabling you to reject it and get a refund (minus a consideration for your usage of the car).

Try this line of discussion with the dealer -- should help you to get them to sort it.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - elekie&a/c doctor

I think a good place to start would be to get the fuel filter replaced.hth

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - jst008

Thanks for everyones comments which I want to respond to:

Cris-on-the -gas, the vehicle is a lease car & I believe the repairs were done under warranty. Also the garage has said this has come from Ford themselves, which I am asking them directly & if I get any sort of answer I can share it with you.

Simon, the first time it was repaired by a main dealer near where I live & this time by a main dealer near where I work - both delaers diagnosing the same fault.

Collos25, I do about 600miles a week or approx 1 tank full. The car is 18months old & has done 34,000 miles.

Craig-pd 130, the fuel does meet EN590 but mixing supermarket fuel with big brand fuel causes a reaction in the winter additives they add this time of year which in turn clogs the filters on 1.6 engines which have a finer filter. They're not saying do not use one or the other only don't mix them.

elekie&a/c doctor, the fuel filter has been replaced, twice, which is the problem.

Once again thanks everyone

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - Collos25

Craig-pd 130, the fuel does meet EN590 but mixing supermarket fuel with big brand fuel causes a reaction in the winter additives they add this time of year which in turn clogs the filters on 1.6 engines which have a finer filter. They're not saying do not use one or the other only don't mix them.

Do you really believe that what a load of danglers.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - jst008

I've been doing a fare bit of research on this & so far have some opinions I would like to share with you.

My 2011 mondeo has the new Ford Euro V emission standard engine. To meet strict Stage V emission regulations, the Duratorq TDCi engine has been comprehensively revised including new solenoid fuel injectors, now with eight smaller holes, work with a maximum injection pressure of 2,000 bar for improved fuel atomisation, compared with the former six-hole injectors and lower 1,800 bar pressure.

The above bit was not my own words, but interesting about the smaller injector nozzles which would be more prone to blocking.

The next point: Supermarkets add more bio-diesel to the mix than main brands, to lower the sulphur content.

Low sulphur diesel has an increased wax content, the result of this increase could include higher cloud point (where first wax crystals form) & greater winter wax gelation, which is also likely to increase fuel filter plugging. Low sulphur diesel with more than 5% biodiesel has a high wax content, which increases wax gelling = premature filter plugging.

Both of my breakdowns happened during sudden drop in temperature to -4 / -5degC. Maybe the garages were caught out as the additive is added at the station & I had a tank full of fuel which had no additive.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - Collos25

"The next point: Supermarkets add more bio-diesel to the mix than main brands, to lower the sulphur content".

You do not really believe that do you

Where I live we had temp of minus 18c a mild winter and traffic is just the same no diesel problems.I would hazzard a guess and say your recent breakdowns are nothing to do with the fuel otherwise there would be thousands of brokendown vehicles all with the same symptoms.

Edited by Collos25 on 15/03/2013 at 15:09

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - jst008

unless you can put forward anything to counter - then it remains plausible.

This weeks weather was a sudden change from the prevailing south westerly's to easterly's which gave us snow on the M25 on Monday with temperatures of -5degC - in mid march.

The minimum amount of biodiesel I believe is 5%, morrisons are pushing this limit to 10 & beyond. As I said above the greater proportion of biodiesel in the mix the greater the wax content & so on.

So adding all the pieces together, smaller nozzles, sudden cold snap, diesel mix & it's likely that this is what caused the problem.

To answer your final point the RAC patrolman said he had seen many instances of this.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - Collos25

They do not look at the temp and think oh its cold lets add a bit more antifreeze it does not work like that.Morrisons fill their tankers along with everbody else in the North and Midlands at Elsmere port they do not have their own refinery or own crackers.But you carry on believing, like I said if there was a problem with the fuel then thousands of HGVs an PKVs would be lining the road.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - craig-pd130

The dates at which the bulk supplies change from 'summer' to 'winter' diesel have been posted here before -- the switch is usually November - March.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - unthrottled

So adding all the pieces together, smaller nozzles, sudden cold snap, diesel mix & it's likely that this is what caused the problem.

It's not really. As has already been mentioned, Britain's climate is very, very mild compared to other European countries. Most of the talk of cloud points comes from either straight bio users, or people living in continental climates. It's not really relevant to us. Injectors are hot! Diesel isn't going to wax in the injectors. Waxing diesel might well clog up a fuel filter though.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - biggerbyfar

Coming over the M62 at Saddleworth my Focus suddenly lost power and the engine malfuntion light came on. I was doing about 65 and overtaking a 40 footer which was in the left hand lane and one behind me which was too close anyway.

The loss of power meant I quickly lost speed and had to drop behind the lorry on the left and I was lucky i could cut in behind and but the one behind almost smashed into me, I just couldnt accelerate away. Luckily I was able to get on the hard shoulder and on hazards limped to the next exit. I stopped, recovered my thoughts and started the engine again which got me to work.

If this warning comes on get it to a garage asap, mine is there now waiting diagnosis but I have a feeling they just reset it and that'll be it. But the loss of power in that situation could have lost me my life, I was b***** lucky.

I'll stick to the best fuel I can buy from now on if that may have something to do with it

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - AndyShorts

Hi Everyone,

This just happened to me today (boxing day, no garage open) and got me quite worried. At the same time the "Service Oil" message appeared despite having a full dealer service a few weeks ago and only doing 2k miles since then. I assumed that the oil was causing the malfunction, but it sounds like that is another known problem with overly sensitive sensors.

I nearly always fill up at Tesco in the south, but recently I filled up at a northern Morrisons when half empty, so I had a 50/50 mix of the two. I guess that could be a cause of the problem or just coincidence? I went into limp mode twice but managed to get to a petrol station with police escort. I left the car for 30 mins and after that I was able to drive another 150 miles without problem.

I'm still under warranty so I'll see what my dealer in Cambridge says when they re-open.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - alan1302

I nearly always fill up at Tesco in the south, but recently I filled up at a northern Morrisons when half empty, so I had a 50/50 mix of the two. I guess that could be a cause of the problem or just coincidence?

Just coincidence.

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - chrisa

Was by chance having a look at forums as I have had the same problem.i have a 12 plate 1.6 diesel mondeo. Since mid summer the car has misfired when being pushed hard. About 3000+ revs. I then suffered the complete shut off and didn't even get the opportunity of limp home mode. I was on the motorway and was lucky enough to be able to pull into the hard shoulder without issue. But potentially could have been disastrous. Since then the car has been running v poorly. Mpg down. Power down etc. I took the car in for its 25k service on monday. They couldn't find the fault code in the cars computer but diagnosed a blocked fuel filter. The dealer said they would fit a new filter for free and parts at cost as the car was being serviced. Great service at jennings ford in gateshead:) when I picked the car up I asked how could this happen. I was told fuel contamination from super market fuels. I do fill the car up at mostly sainsburys and have never had any problems like this before. It begs the question that if dealers know theres a fault why dont ford fix it. The car is now running great and mpg and power back to normal. Im just glad to see other people having the same trouble. Unfortunately. But what should we do?

Edited by chrisa on 31/12/2013 at 21:27

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - xtrailman

In my opinion the fault is with the car period.

I have used supermarket fuels from the day they appeared and never had a fuel problem. Supermarkets do use different additives to the majors, which all have their own secret blends, the the base fuel is the same, and the only benefit with the slightly superior blends is long term, over a large mileage.

Any car should run on any fuel if its to the correct en rating, if it doesnt the car is not designed correctly, maybe Ford should be replacing the fuel filter with one that works.

If it needs to be finer due to the smaller injectors, then the filter should be made a lot larger, as the pressure is increased anyway, according to a earlier post, then a blockage is no more likely than previously.

If i was having the fuel filter changed due to this issue, then i would be cutting it open to attempt to find the reason for the blockage.

Finally if Ford are saying supermarket fuel is the problem, then it should be clearly stated in the hand book?

Edited by xtrailman on 01/01/2014 at 10:54

Ford Mondeo Estate 61 plate - Ford 1.6TDCi & engine malfunction - limp home mode - chrisa

I agree with all your comments. But clearly there is an issue as a number of people had identified. I find it astonishing that a car manufacturer would risk peoples lives in this way. When my car stopped I had no control over speed, steering.

Fuel is not the answer. My local sainsburys sells diesel constantly. Its refilled everyday. So fuel must be clean or free of bacteria due to high turnover. It is interesting to note that nobody connect with ford will recommend one fuel or one additive. I am going to ring ford customer services tomorrow to he fobbed off no doubt.

I recommend what people have suggested. Write to watch dog. I don't see any other option