Rover 25 year 2000 - car struggled to start, when started seems ok. - Delysher

Never used car at all yesterday, apart from starting car in morning for 20 seconds to reverse car away from garage door.

Car has electronic choke.

When I went to start caT this morning the car seem to judder and would not start. After trying to start car after several attempts, the car started. I let the car enging warm up and I have driven the car 3 miles. The car now seems ok. Any ideas guys ?

Regards

Delysia

Rover 25 year 2000 - car struggled to start, when started seems ok. - craig-pd130

It's called 'lawnmower syndrome' -- people doing exactly that, starting a car from cold to reverse it back 3 feet, then switching off. Next time it doesn't want to start.

The usual explanation is the short running time from cold, with cold oil, causes the hydraulic tappets to 'pump up' and causing loss of compression until the oil flow in the tappet starts moving normally. A minute or two's running does this and gets the oil circulating normally.

There's no other solution than not starting the car from stone cold and switching off again after 20 seconds. It doesn't do any damage, however.

Edited by craig-pd130 on 21/03/2012 at 12:31

Rover 25 year 2000 - car struggled to start, when started seems ok. - jc2

Could also be fouled plugs-let the engine get hot-don't switch off after 20 seconds.You'll destroy the exhaust and the catalyst if you continue to do this.

Rover 25 year 2000 - car struggled to start, when started seems ok. - unthrottled

You'll destroy the exhaust and catalyst if you continue to do this.

I don't know why handbooks still peddle this myth. If too much fuel and air enter a hot catalyst, the heat generated from the oxidation can be enough to melt the matrix-I know, I've done it! We're talking of taking the cat to sustained temps above 900C.

But during a cold start there is no catalytic activity, so there is no damage. Otherwise catalytic convertors wouldn't last 5 minutes in Canada, Scandanavia or northern US states, where every winter cold start is a vicious one requiring horribly rich mixturess for at least the first 30 seconds of starting. And they do.

There are various reasons advanced for lawn mower syndrome. Fouled plugs is one. Loss of compression on the exhaust valve is another. The theory is that charred deposits on the exhaust valve stem act as a sponge for water and unburned fuel. As the deposits absorb moisture, they expand and reduce valve guide clearance causing the valve to fail to seat properly.

You ned a couple of successive short cold starts for this to be a problem. Normally the moisture is evaporated out after about 30 seconds of operation and the deposit shrinks again.

Rover 25 year 2000 - car struggled to start, when started seems ok. - ChannelZ

Car has electronic choke.

Unless someone's fitted it with an engine from the 80s, it doesn't have an electronic choke...

Rover 25 year 2000 - car struggled to start, when started seems ok. - Ethan Edwards

That will be the 1680's then?

Rover did like to keep antiquated engines in production...thinking of the 'A' series (and derivatives) ......;)

Rover 25 year 2000 - car struggled to start, when started seems ok. - Graham567

Starting the engine for seconds and then turning it off then flooded the engine.

Always run the engine for a couple of minutes before turning off even if your only moving it a few feet.

Rover 25 year 2000 - car struggled to start, when started seems ok. - injection doc

CraigPD130 is spot on.

These engines were notorious for jacking up the lifters when shunted around cold, especially if the wrong gtrade of oil is used.

"There are various reasons advanced for lawn mower syndrome. Fouled plugs is one. Loss of compression on the exhaust valve is another. The theory is that charred deposits on the exhaust valve stem act as a sponge for water and unburned fuel. As the deposits absorb moisture, they expand and reduce valve guide clearance causing the valve to fail to seat properly."

The carbon deposits on the valves used to make the valves stick, causing the tappets to jack up as well. teflon valves were fitted to some Rover engines as a MOD.

Inlet valves used to suffer as well on Rover engines partially caused by poor breathing and valve overlap. Walnut husk & olive stone was used in a sand blaster to clean the valves in situ to save removing the head.I did hundreds of these and it worked a treat