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Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Man without a plan

Hi folks,

Next month or two I will be returning my leased Smart ForTwo and looking to buy a medium family hatchback...

Have looked at all the usual suspects, Golf, Auris, Astra, Focus, i30, Ceed, Civic, 1-series (steering clear of Peugeot and Renault though)

We are looking at about £10k budget, less if possible and maybe a fraction more but would have to be great deal.

Requirements are reasonably spacious in back seats and boot (baby on way), ecconomical (mileage c.14,000 a year) and coming from a 75mpg Smart (eek) and of course reliable.

Now what am struggling to get past at the moment is the Kia Ceed and the warranty. I can get a (diesel) Ceed for £10k easy, probably a year old with hardly 5 figures on the mileometer... but the cheery on the cake is it will still have 6 years warranty to cover it....

We also love the Insignia, Astra, 1-series and a few others but similar spec cars to the ceed would be at least 3 years old and out of warranty... if I understand correctly, the Vauxhall warranty is not transferrable at all so unless buying from (overpriced) Network Q then we only get the sale of goods act to rely on...

So my question is, am I over thinking this...? The wife isn't overly keen on the Ceed and would prefer the Insignia / Astra but I keep telling her she is thinking with her heart and not her head..... I keep telling her what we need is a reliable, ecconomical family wagon with peace of mind... not the potential with something out of warranty to blow up and cost £1000's to fix....

Any thoughts?

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - unthrottled

We also love the Insignia, Astra, 1-series

The Insignia is a massive family wagon. The 1 series is a 2+2 at best-aimed at childless young professionals or empty nesters. You need to at least have an idea of the cabin size required before anyone can offer any advice. (BMWs have small cabins for their floorplan size as a side effect of being rear drive).

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Man without a plan

Thanks unthrottled... the above wasn't the point I was looking for advice on but appreciate you raising it.

To answer your question / point - the more space the better really so the Insignia or an estate would be good (subject to it looking reasonably nice).... however as in OP, we want value for money motoring (cheap to buy and cheap to tax/insure/service) and we also want good economy...

As I said, we did love the 1-series but had really discounted that for rear leg-room, although to be honest if child was seated behind front passenger with seat slightly forward, we thought we could live with it for 5 years...

However as I said, we are aware of the space requirement (second thing we usually do in cars we like is sit in back seat) but we are more looking for thoughts on the warranty on the Ceed versus other options quandry.

Cheers again :)

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Auristocrat
If you go for a Kia Approved Cee'd, this should come with a full 7 year warranty, rather than the balance of.
Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Man without a plan

Thanks Auristocrat, yes we did see that.

Only issue I have is I find Kia Approved models cost about 20% (£2000) more for the model I am looking at than going to an independant dealer..

So I think on balance if I go the Kia route I would happily sacrifice 1 years warranty (i.e. 6 years instead of back to 7) in return for £2000 staying in my pocket.

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - galileo

i30's may be a bit less than the Ceed, warranty is 5 years rather than 7 but they are essentially the same vehicle as the Ceed except from trim and minor appearance details.

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - ChannelZ

I had Vauxhalls for years, and the warranty isn't worth the paper it's written on.

However, the OH's i30 is 2 years old now, and a few minor niggles were fixed first time without fuss by the dealer when it was in for it's first service. Creaking suspension and loose bumpstops, and sticking ignition barrel were the three issues.

Otherwise it's been excellent. Getting 42mpg too for the 1.4 petrol. 108PS so it goes pretty well.

I'm looking at a Kia Rio (new model) or Ceed to replace my Mondeo next year.

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Man without a plan

Yes the i30 is nice and a close second to the Ceed at the moment...

Only slight issue is I want cruise control which only comes on the premium model which don't tend to come in any cheaper than the Ceed 3 which has cruise and bluetooth and the better warranty...

Not counting the i30 out though but the Ceed just edges it at the moment.

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - colinh

Just changed from a Kia cee'd - proved reliable. One warranty issue promptly dealt with. People will point out servicinig costs, but I found them in line with other main-stream dealers.

Avoid the trims with larger wheels as the ride can be harsh with them. Otherwise, a good value-for-money car.

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - thunderbird

Just changed from a Kia cee'd - proved reliable. One warranty issue promptly dealt with. People will point out servicinig costs, but I found them in line with other main-stream dealers.

Avoid the trims with larger wheels as the ride can be harsh with them. Otherwise, a good value-for-money car.

Wife has got a Ceed SW, its huge inside, the luggage space vitually matched the current Mondeo and that's by my measurements not the manufacturer's.

Had car for 18 months and no problems thus cannot comment on warranty but the servicing in our experience is cheaper than Ford based on the quoted prices which were all inclusive, Mr Ford keep's ringing up adding bits on all the time.

Ours has the 17" wheels and the ride is fine. The pre facelift cars (MY09 and earlier) had a firmer ride but it was softened slightly when they revised the car for MY10 onwards.

Only thing to beware of is make sure the car has been serviced at the correct time. Its 1 year on all models but petrols run only to 12,500 whereas diesels run to 20,000. Some owners have become confused and have not had cars serviced until 20,000 miles have been covered (over 2 years in one case) and in such cases Kia will reject warranty work, you do not want one of those cars.

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - daveyjp

No Toyota on your list? 5 year warranty as standard.

You will probably never need it and if you do you will be treat as a customer with a problem which needs resolving rather than a drain on their resources.

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - dieseldogg

Which said

5 year warrenty had a bearing on our decision to purchase a Yaris

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - mlj
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Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Avant

MLJ - this looks like the useless Internet Explorer at it again: try using Google Chrome or Firefox and you should be fine.

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Man without a plan

Thanks daveyjp.

I do like the Auris and did mention it in my original post... because I am looking for nearly new (1 or 2 years old) then it wouldn't be a full 5 years warranty, more like 3 or maybe 4 but that doesn't bother me greatly.

I have heard / read a few stories about the Auris not being as good as the Toyota brand would suggest from previous years. Plus I don't mind the styling (although some bits are a tad strange...) but SWMBO doesn't like it..

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Auristocrat

I have had an Auris1.33TR from new since October 2009, and had a 2006 Corolla from new before that. Compared to the Corolla, the Auris had harder plastics in the interior (this seems to be common amongst car makers - I preferred my previous 2003 Mazda 323 to the Mazda 3 for the same reason [ie. the interior seemed to be better finished]) and earlier versions (2007-2008) did seem to suffer from their share of rattles and scratch-prone trim. However, my Auris (touch wood) doesn't suffer from rattles, and the plastic interior trim has stood up well to our careful use (no scratches, etc). The 2 litre and 2.2 litre diesels do seem to have issues (head gasket failure for example), but Toyota has extended the warranty to five years on a lot of these cars provided they have a full Toyota service history. The 1.4 diesel seems relatively trouble free - so may be the better choice if it is a diesel you are seeking..

My Auris 1.33 is relatively well equipped - dual zone climate control, electric windows, seven airbags, 16 inch alloys, etc - has stop/start technology and a six speed gearbox. Can get just over 48mpg on a run, and 35'ish around Birmingham (32mpg for my Corolla around Birmingham). £120 car tax. Performance wise it is slightly slower than my 1.4 Corolla. The 1.33 engine is quite free revving - and has been described by other Auris owners on the Toyota Owners Club Auris forum as something of a gem (which I agree with). Warranty-wise - the five year warranty came into being from June 2010 - cars older than this would have the remainder of the Toyota three year warranty.

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - daveyjp
Sorry missed the Auris, it still doesn't compute as being a Toyota! A verso would make more sense with a baby on the way. Loads of room, but quite short. No idea on costs though.
Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Auristocrat
It is only in some European countries that it is sold as the Auris. Other countries it retains the Corolla name.

Edited by Auristocrat on 08/02/2012 at 22:00

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Auristocrat
The Auris is competitive in terms of interior space with the other C segment hatchbacks the poster has identified (Focus, i30, Cee'd, etc). Also the flat rear floor (no transmission type tunnel) means that things can be laid flat across the car in front of the rear seats. The Verso is a direct competitor for the Scenic, C-Max, Touran, etc.
Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - focussed

Look for a good low mileage Honda Civic 2.2 diesel less than 3 years old and still within warranty and pay to extend the Honda warranty to five years.

Tons of room in back seat-enormous boot-economical-will do everything that you want it to do, why look at anything else?

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - bonzo dog

Hi MWAP, you keep answering your own question - "should I buy a Ceed?" ..... Yes!

If you don't need the room of a bigger car (Insignia); you're not interested in the badge (BMW) & you want the newest car for your money with as long a manufacturer's warranty as possible, then the Ceed is the obvious choice

Good luck

Car decisions - can't get past the warranty - Man without a plan

Thanks Bonzo Dog, you are right....

Just wanted to check I hadn't missed anything because it seemed far too many pros and only one con - the Kia badge on the front which really doesn't bother me.

Now just got to find "the one" and part with my hard earned....

 

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