N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - RaineMan

I have worn my Victor Meldrew hat here before to moan about car parking charges. Over the holiday my girlfriend’s mother was rushed into hospital. Despite there being no outpatients clinics and as many patients being discharged over the holiday as possible I had to pay £4-00 minimum to use a half empty car park! It makes the chief executive look meaner than scrooge!

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - Falkirk Bairn

Parking is free in Scottish hospitals.

In Aberdeen Royal Infirmary the PUBLIC want CHARGES BROUGHT BACK!

Why?

Since charges were abolished you cannot get a space as there are no empty spaces - beforehand spaces were available because it was £1.00 an hour

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - RaineMan

Whilst I can understand reasons for charging the current tariffs at many hospitals are extremely high. Charging on Christmas and Boxing Day is plain mean spirited!

Edited by RaineMan on 28/12/2011 at 12:10

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - jamie745

You would think that given the £100billion+ thrown at the NHS each year they wouldnt need to charge for parking. As for the 'free parking in Scotland' thing, it doesnt take anybody particularly clever to work out that if someone has the choice between £147 for 10 minutes in NCP or free parking all day in the nearby hospital they're going to use the latter. Free parking in hospitals only is a flawed plan when everywhere else charges ridiculous amounts.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - thirts

Parking is free in Scottish hospitals.

No it's not - it's being paid by someone else (the tax payer)

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - barney100

Clearly it is outrageous to charge sick people and their visitors to park at hospitals but there is a problem if parking is free as someone will always use the car parks rather than pay elsewhere. It isn't difficult to find ways of checking who is at the hospital and who isn't and impose some penalty or other tough.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - thirts

Clearly it is outrageous to charge sick people and their visitors to park at hospitals but there is a problem if parking is free as someone will always use the car parks rather than pay elsewhere. It isn't difficult to find ways of checking who is at the hospital and who isn't and impose some penalty or other tough.

Public transport isn't free to use to get to hospital, so why should parking be free?

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - jamie745
Horrendously poor analogy. If people said owning a car should be free if they use it to go to hospital or you should get free petrol for hospital visits then your analogy would fit but they didn't so it doesn't.

You pay for the bus to get there just as you do with the car, but only with a car are you made to pay twice. You don't pay for the bus fare then pay NCP a 'parking at bus stop fee' do you?
N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - bonzo dog

Well I pay my taxes so that the NHS can provide health care to those unfortunate to need it; not to provide a free car park.

I wonder how many others have been out in their cars over the holiday period & (like me today) paid to park & yet not batted an eyelid; but expect the NHS to provisde it for free?

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - oldroverboy

In swansea because the parking was free at the hospital next to the uni, every b*****r parkke in the hospital so they re-intoduced charges to stop it, QUITE RIGHTLY TOO!

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - jamie745

It surely cant be beyond the realms of possiblity to impliment a computer system where upon visiting the hospital, visitors type their Reg number into a little terminal at the door which logs that car as a visitors car or something along those lines.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - oldroverboy

It surely cant be beyond the realms of possiblity to impliment a computer system where upon visiting the hospital, visitors type their Reg number into a little terminal at the door which logs that car as a visitors car or something along those lines.

As you probably know, the nhs is not very good at implementing it systems and there would have to be mutiple terminals ar multiple entrances, down here in sunny west wales the car parking charges are not bad, and i seem to remember at Northampton General hospital you coud buy a weekly pass for about £10 if you had someone in hospital, again because it is a hospital close to the town centre imagine the chaos if parking were free. £4 for 4 hours not bad really, I think anything up to £5-6 isn't unreasonable. What cheeses off swmbo is that when she goes to the staff car park it's full of people without permits who don't want to pay, and they all wonder why we have parking enforcement here dishing out tickets now.

Edited by OldRoverboy on 28/12/2011 at 21:41

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - Carole4X4
Since when did hospital parking in Scotland become free.

I used to regularly have to drive from Durham up to the New Royal Infirmary in Edinburgh and on my last visit earlier this year (around April if I recall) parking charges were in operation then.

My gripe at the minute is that at University Hospital of North Durham is not with the paying to park etc but with the location o the parking, in as much as it is usually the sensible approach that disabled parking bays are closer to the entrance thus saving disabled people having difficulty on crutches etc however at UHND even though disabled parking is free it is located further away fom the entrance than the paid public parking area. This seems to defeat the object of having disabled bays to me.
Yes I use disabled parking due to actually being disabled ( I use either sticks or crutches o a motability scooter because of a severe accident some time ago ) and not simply abusing a blue badge.
N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - jamie745

As you probably know, the nhs is not very good at implementing it systems

I am fully aware of this. The NHS spent £14billion on a computer system which everybody told them wouldnt work and guess what - it doesnt work. NHS IT jobs are the most unwanted jobs in the IT sector.

the location o the parking, in as much as it is usually the sensible approach that disabled parking bays are closer to the entrance thus saving disabled people having difficulty on crutches etc however at UHND even though disabled parking is free it is located further away fom the entrance than the paid public parking area. This seems to defeat the object of having disabled bays to me.

Placement of disabled parking can be quite bizarre sometimes although the main benefit of the spaces isnt neccessarily the distance from the location but the size of the space. My mother is disabled but doesnt neccessarily need the space closest to the door but she needs a space where she can open the car door fully which you cannot do in a standard space, its also useful in cases of wheelchair users as theres room to assemble the wheelchair without being in the way of traffic. If my mum is ever forced to use a standard space and she's on her own she has to park over two spaces as she simply cannot risk anybody parking beside her as she wont get back in the car if they do.

I park in a disabled space at work because we have 7 more than we require and its close to the door and stops anybody scuffing the Jaguar.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - RT
Since when did hospital parking in Scotland become free.

Recently (I think after the SNP got an absolute majority) - there are three hospitals excluded because of the legal nature of their outsourced parking arrangement.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - barney100

I strongly oppose car parking charges at hospitals. I had a major op at the Brompoton several years ago and the car park guy wouldn't let my wife stop outside the entrance for a moment to cart me home......had to walk quite a way when I was supposed to start walking after a few days at home starting with a hundred yards and building up from that. Sure the NHS is paid for out of taxes but charging for parking is immoral when you are sick or visiting.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - RT

Sure the NHS is paid for out of taxes but charging for parking is immoral when you are sick or visiting.

I agree, it shouldn't be chargeable for patients, visitors or employees - but how do you stop all the outsiders using it for free and taking up all the spaces.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - bonzo dog

Sure the NHS is paid for out of taxes but charging for parking is immoral when you are sick or visiting.

I agree, it shouldn't be chargeable for patients, visitors or employees - but how do you stop all the outsiders using it for free and taking up all the spaces

I fully agree that patients should not pay when visiting a clinic or attending say A & E. But the 4 local-ish hospitals (we don't have one in our town) that I frequent all have drop-off zones so the driver can then go & find a parking space.

I don't think the NHS should be paying for visitors car parking. Again, these same drivers will happily pay to use a mlti-storey car park whilst shopping or visiting other places why not a hospital

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - barney100

Car parking charges for town centres bring in lots of cash but the growth of out of town shopping centres who offer free parking are eroding high street shopping. Its been well highlighted in the media recently that a growing number of shops are boarded up and footfall is dropping.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - jamie745

I agree, it shouldn't be chargeable for patients, visitors or employees - but how do you stop all the outsiders using it for free and taking up all the spaces.

Its not just the charging, its the fact many hospitals charge stunningly high amounts for parking via private parking companies. My local hospital made £1.5million from parking charges last year, up from around £800,000 just five years ago, of course the hospital denies it profits in any way and all proceeds are to 'maintain the car park' which is the same tarmac and lines they put down 35 years ago so im not sure what needs maintaining.

It also depends on where the hospital is as to whether free parking would be abused, if its right next door to a shopping centre which charges £4 an hour then even a moron could work out people will park at the hospital, if theres no real benefit to parking there then they wont use it. People dont go out just to park places for fun, ive never gone out to do some parking.

The other point is this is nearly 2012, over 40 years after man walked on the moon and you're telling me we have to charge patients and visitors extortionate fees to park at a hospital they've already paid for out of taxes because thats the only way to stop it being used as a free car park for non-users?

I don't think the NHS should be paying for visitors car parking. Again, these same drivers will happily pay to use a mlti-storey car park whilst shopping...

But you dont mind the NHS spending £14billion on a computer system which doesnt work, paying six figure salaries and bonus' to unneccessary managers while leaving a massive nursing shortfall, administrative staff outnumbering beds and still failing miserably to address the need for more NHS dentists.

I also disagree these same drivers will happily pay to use a multi storey whilst shopping, its been widely publicised recently how town centres are struggling, shoppers are refusing to pay sky high parking charges and head for retail parks with free parking instead.

...why not a hospital

Because we've already paid for the hospital once and shouldnt have to pay NCP to be able to park at it.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - bonzo dog

As a rule I don't respond to your idiotic & presumably semi-drunken rants, Jamie, but as this is a direct accusatory post ......

But you dont mind the NHS spending £14billion on a computer system which doesnt work, paying six figure salaries and bonus' to unneccessary managers while leaving a massive nursing shortfall, administrative staff outnumbering beds and still failing miserably to address the need for more NHS dentist

Where the hell do I say I don't mind ..... I do mind ...... moron!

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - jamie745

As a rule I don't respond to your idiotic & presumably semi-drunken rants

Its interesting how so many people say that before proceeding to do exactly that.

Where the hell do I say I don't mind ..... I do mind ...... moron!

It just seemed a very strange thing to focus a complaint on NHS spending on. When you consider the NHS could pay to run the car parks of all of the UK's 350+ NHS hospitals annually for less than 5% of what the computer system - which doesnt work - cost. I was merely saying theres more important things to discuss about the NHS budget and what its spent on before we get a rhetoric about the irrelevent issue of parking a car.

Of course i'd still like a system which is free for those attending the hospital and charges everybody else, it shouldnt be that hard. 30 years ago they told us we'd have flying cars by now....

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - oldroverboy

Where the hell do I say I don't mind ..... I do mind ......!

I doubt that jamie doesn't mind. as some of you know SWMBO is a hospital doctor, and yes, she minds too, she minds about the directives falling on her head so heavily that she spends on average 2 hours a day reading up on clinical guidance AT HOME after a day fighting with bed managers and a&e doctors who all have "targets" to reach. as a user of these services too I mind that some of our "chief executives" have their huge pay packets and their terms and conditions guaranteed for 5 years after the trust have merged, etc etc, but like the nurses and the cleaners and the porters and the surgeons and all the other essential staff she is slightly peeved to have to walk to work to do a 12.5 hour on call because the vistors don't want to fork out a quid or so for parking. Just wait till tesco and company have destroyed the high street and see where you'll park when THEY start charging!

we have just paid a very reasonable £2.40 to park for 2 hours in swansea (NCP), and that is acceptable.

And I seem to remember that our previous fraternal socialist brethren wanted to charge everybody to park at work.

Edited by OldRoverboy on 30/12/2011 at 16:33

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - jamie745

Just wait till tesco and company have destroyed the high street and see where you'll park when THEY start charging!

Tesco make £40billion a minute from Pringles, Insurance and Bread. They dont need to charge for parking. Also going a bit off topic i do detest the term 'destroyed the high street' as though big supermarkets shouldnt be allowed to commit the unholy sin of selling things to the public cheaply, such horrible big organisations! Outrageous!

we have just paid a very reasonable £2.40 to park for 2 hours in swansea (NCP), and that is acceptable.

I was in London once and a multi storey charged £6 an hour. Six quid! An hour!

And I seem to remember that our previous fraternal socialist brethren wanted to charge everybody to park at work.

Its not like the Conservative's have pledged to scrap the idea entirely though is it? They've introduced guidance of 'consulting local business groups' and done their usual of leaving it up to local authorities so they can absolve themselves of responsibility.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - Collos25

Calm down or you will be a patient .

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - Bromptonaut

Tesco make £40billion a minute from Pringles, Insurance and Bread. They dont need to charge for parking.

If Tesburys think they can get away with charging for parking they'll do it.

And if parking in Central London is £6/hr (and I've seen £10) then an office car park is at best a taxable benefit.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - Bobbin Threadbare

If Tesburys think they can get away with charging for parking they'll do it.

They do - in Lancaster one is required to cough up a few quid to park for an hour at Sainsbogs and can claim it back from the customer services desk with a valid shopping receipt.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - sirionman

"Bonzo dog" has the right approach to this issue.

We don't grizzle vehemently about parking to go shopping, but we do when it involves a hospital visit. Weird if you really think about that, and it says something about our mindset.

I have seen a few tv "interest" pieces on this topic and universally people complain bitterly they had to pay to park so they could recieve out-patient cancer treatment or visit a sick friend. It's bizarre.

It is not the 1950's any more. It is a user pays society, which we supposedly voted for in our democracy. Suck it up.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - RT

Many people, probably most, never need to pay to go shopping - it's only congested town/city centres where parking is chargeable.

Most hospitals have moved out of congested town/city centres and it seems perverse to pay at out-of-town hospitals but not at out-of-town shops - it's not like you actually have a choice about attending hospital, in practice.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - jamie745
The key difference is we haven't already paid for the supermarket via compulsory taxes like we have with the hospital. The other difference is you choose whether or not to go shopping and where to go, I don't pay to use NCP to go shopping which eliminates the cornerstone of your argument that 'you pay to park when going shopping' and exposes it as the cheap strawman that it is because I don't, actually. You choose whether or not to shop somewhere where as a hospital visit is usually something you don't make out of choice.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - Bromptonaut

Jamie,

You've not paid in advance for the NHS; it's PAYG. Money spent providing and maintaining car parks is money not spent on treatments. Charged for parking covers the costs of servicing and securing the car parks and maybe persuades some visitors to use public transport, or even walk/cycle.

Looks as though B junior is giong to be on 6 monthly visits to the Nephrologist UFN (suspect IGA nephropathy). £3 to park is the least of our worries.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - RakebeckBob

Quite agree on every point!

Might be an argument for free parking for outpatients such as those on dialysis treatment.

RakebeckBob

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - markweatherill

If the hospital car park is being 'managed' by one of those Private Parking Companies (PPC) then aren't all charges, and fines for not paying them, completely bogus?

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - Bromptonaut

I wouldn't rely on hospital parking being unenforceable. Private land is one thing but government bodies may have statutory powers to charge/enforce. The fact that they contract the enforcement is neither here nor there.

N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - Carole4X4
I for one object to having to pay at hospitals to park but I also object to having to pay in a town centre car park too.

I feel that if parking charges were abolished then we wouldn't have empty boarded up shops littering every high street in most towns and cities these days as it would stop all the 'free parking' brigade from going to out of town retail parks. In addition I also feel that my RFL, VAT on fuel, Fuel Duty ( which is the highest in Europe ), VAT on everything else for my car including tyres, repairs etc should be enough to allow me to park for an hour or so when I go into town every so often or when I visit my dad in hospital or attend a hospital appointment for myself. Yes I would prefer not to have to attend a hospital but unfortunately that is not a choice open to me if I wish to be treated. I do however have a choice where I go to shop or spend my leisure time and I will spend it where I am able to park for free or use my blue badge ( truly disabled not a blue badge scrounger -I have to walk with either sticks, crutches or sometimes use a disability scooter) .

Sorry for my little rant but I truly believe parking charges anywhere would be fine if all the money taken from motorists was fed back to the benefit of motorists and not 80% plus creamed off for other government departments.
E.G. Why should any motorist have to pay extra to park when their motoring taxes are at best used to fund drug addicts or drunks who won't work or say they can't because of their habits.
N/A - Hospital Car Parking Charges - Collos25

Petrol is a lot more expensive in Gemany than the UK for whatever reason diesel on tuesday was 137.9cents wednesday it was 147.9 cents today 143.cents .If everybody changed from out of town shopping and came to the city centre because of free parking where would they all actually park.