mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - bigshineybike

This afternoon I was driving down Sidney road Walton on Thames (not so far away from HJ's home)

I ran over a speed hump and the front suspension collapsed.

Now this could be classed my fault as the lower ball joint was worn out (As I since found out).

My warning to anyone that is an RAC member is that if this happens to you do not allow them to discuss speed humps.

In their opinion such a failure in relation to a speed hump is an accident and so not covered by the £150 annual membership fee.

This afternoon I instead used Green flag as this service is wrapped up with my bank account and I was looked after in a very professional and friendly manner.

RAC lost a member today.

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - jamie745

A hundred and fifty quid?!?!

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - gordonbennet

Hope there wasn't too much damage when the lower ball gave way, they get corroded and seize up.

Good news is they are only about £15 or so from MB, do the other one while your about it, bad news if you have a 320, they're £225 a side for a complete wishbone assembly.

Not surprised in the least about any of the other big breakdown companies, far too big to be bothered about such an unimportant as their customers, i'll stick with Autohome and support my local company.

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - Trilogy

Nick Froome of www.w124.co.uk recommends changing ball joints by 170,000 miles if they've not been done. gordonbennet is right about price. At the same time, I had the anti-roll bar bushes replaced (about £6 each for MB items), another Nick Froome recommendation.

I've done 6,000 miles in my diesel since purchase in June, including a 1,300 mile week trip to Ben Nevis. Fuel consumption was just over 38 mpg.

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - 659FBE

The W124 front suspension is a dangerous design.

It suffers from "Morris minor" disease in that the lower articulating joint is in tension. Suspension ball joints should never be used in tension and should preferably never be mounted with the ball pin upwards as rain water will always eventually penetrate the joint. The W124 had both of these faults and the combination is lethal - the joint rusts away whilst full spring tension pulls it apart as the movement from road humps etc. cause it to grind to bits.

There is a M-B procedure illustrated in the manual which involves levering the joint into compression with a very long bar to check for movement. Obviously, on an old vehicle, nobody does it. Even M-B know this - procedures are no substitute for a safe design.

From a Company which allegedly prides itself on the safety of its products, this detail is a disgrace. But then, they're still producing cars for the UK market with wipers set up for LHD. Not a company I would do any business with.

659.

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - mss1tw

Very interesting FBE

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - gordonbennet

Interesting viewpoint FBE.

The problem with MB's of older designs is that people see them running round warm countries where salt isn't used for years on end (or are in a designated Taxi spec, built like brick outhouse), and assume they just soldier on forever like some sort of luxury Landcruiser...another good vehicle that will go on for donkeys years, so long as it's serviced.

This isn't the case at all. MB's especially older designs can make good cars, but they need regular maintenance to keep them well. If maintained by someone competent they can be very economical to own.

I've had 4 W124's, and still own one. Neither of them has ever failed in the Morris Minor/Marina way, but they have been regularly serviced.

I've had to renew one set of front bottom ball joints, unfortunately they were starting to wear very slightly on my 320, had to be that one cos they are the non replaceable ball joint type...only fitted to the 320, but owners of rare 280's might find the same i can't remember.

All cars have their weak points, all cars need regular competent servicing, the number of early turbo failures alone on some cars with starship oil change intervals should give a clue that poor or extended servicing isn't the answer to overall economy.

Arguably MB's are one make that really should be entrusted to a good MB sepcialist indy, they are not the ideal car to let a national chain of fitters or handy bloke round the corner service, they will not know what they are looking for, and will not for example know the safe way of removing front springs without said springs removing ones head.

The big problem is that they last a long time and can be bought cheaply, the interiors last forever and the cars hide their miles well, and some people think you can maintain a £40k car for £20k Mondeo money or with no maintenance, it doesn't work like that.

W124's in question only have one wiper blade which sweeps the entire screen better than most 2 wiper systems.

Edited by gordonbennet on 25/09/2011 at 14:06

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - 659FBE

I have some regard for the W124 - at least it was an honest product, unlike the M-B vehicles produced during their "rotten" decade '95 - '05. It's had its day as a useful transportation machine though - a good modern galvanised turbodiesel trounces it comprehensively.

I cannot abide poor design. M-B at that time were a well respected engineer-driven vehicle producer and the W124 front suspension is conceptually wrong. To make the most safety critical joint on the whole vehicle failure prone by mis-application is a crime of safety engineering.

Whilst I take your point concerning the visibility produced by the W124's "monkey on a stick" cam operated single wiper again, the thing is a hopeless design. To put the cam mechanism in such a position as to allow it to fill up with water and seize is just plain stupid. As stated above, later cars are fitted with wipers giving non optimal visibility as an M-B cost cutting measure. Visibility is a prime requirement for safety.

I'm afraid M-B's corporate view of their own engineering excellence, integrity and safety engineering does not match my own findings concerning the detailed design of their products.

The products that they have produced during their "rotten" decade are quite simply beyond belief. They have continued their tradition of front suspension collapse - this time through rusty spring perches. At least you could fix a W124.

I rest my case.

659.

Edited by 659FBE on 25/09/2011 at 15:57

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - 475TBJ

I'd disagree with 659FBE on the wiper set up on RHD Mercedes.

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - 659FBE

A simple verification using this Website:

Turn up car reviews and select the first M-B (A class). Roll through the pictures until you get to car reg. EBS 193. This, like most A class vehicles, has the wipers set for LHD.

The blades of the "clap hands" wipers park one above the other, but the passenger's side blade is on the top. This means that on the final wipe, a streak will remain coincident with the outermost radius of this blade, directly in the driver's line of vision. The passenger gets a clear screen.

Cheapskates.

659.

Edited by 659FBE on 25/09/2011 at 22:38

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - daveyjp

MB have seen the light and the latest models of the A and B class have a RHD set up.

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - gordonbennet

[[a good modern galvanised turbodiesel trounces it comprehensively.]]

They don't my E320 petrol running on LPG, faster, similar economy, proper auto box, RWD driving competence, silent engine at tickover lovely growl once awakened, so different to the tractor rattle of a Diesel on tickover or the hideous sound of one under power.

[[To put the cam mechanism in such a position as to allow it to fill up with water and seize is just plain stupid. ]]

On the other hand ( i like the monkey on a stick bit..;) the mechanism is under a fitted clip in rubber shield, which is a 30 second job to loosen, stick the flexy pie from an aerosol can of liquid grease under and fully lubricate...how many cars can you lubricate the wiper mechanism so easily, mine shows now wear whatsoever and is almost silent in operation, however in delay wipe you can feel it rock the car when you are at tickover....by the way you only know a petrol E320 is ticking over as you can see the rev counter.;-)

[[The products that they have produced during their "rotten" decade are quite simply beyond belief. They have continued their tradition of front suspension collapse - this time through rusty spring perches. At least you could fix a W124]]

I can't argue with that bit, there is no excuse for the drop in standards, they wanted to increase their sales so went for the fleet/company car market, 3 years and gone, that was never their previous customer base, they forgot the type of customer who put them there, and Lexus and others gladly welcomed them with open arms.

They did so well with the 190E, possibly even a better car than the W124's, if only they'd continued with the quality of those.

Arguably Honda have done similar, tried to woo a younger trendier market with the new Civics and forgot those loyal regular customers who put them where they are now, Kia/Hyundai/Toyota and others have welcomed those refugees too.


Edited by gordonbennet on 26/09/2011 at 14:11

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - madf

GB said "so different to the tractor rattle of a Diesel on tickover or the hideous sound of one under power."

No dount he refers to MB diesels.. Most modern ones are near silent when warm :-))))

Edited by madf on 26/09/2011 at 15:14

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - gordonbennet

Most modern ones are near silent when warm :-))))

It's age related Madf, i understand Specasavers now offer hearing tests.:-))

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - mss1tw

I think a cheaper option is just to grow up with diesel engines. I quite like the earthy nature of a good diesel.

I exclude taxis from this. Grotty horrible sounding things!

Liked my Pug 306 HDi and Toledo 1.9 110 TDI though...

mercedes W124 - rac and speed humps - gordonbennet

I think a cheaper option is just to grow up with diesel engines. I quite like the earthy nature of a good diesel.

I agree with reservations, 4 cylinder Diesels sound like hell, 6 or more cylinder and 2 strokes especially can sound wonderful.

4 cylinder engines of all fuels in proper cars are the result of politicians grabbing money through fuel taxation, they should join politicians in the scrap yard.