CITROEN BERLINGO MULTISPACE DESIRE - BIG PROBLEMS WITH TURBO AND INJECION ON BERLINGO - Pete&Gill

Hello, We have a 2006 (on a 55 plate) Berlingo multispace desire model. I have only today found your web site and am desperate for advice. It seems that the problem I have has already been discussed to a certain degree but I seem to have multiple versions of it and wonder if anyone can recap for me.

a) we too got the beeps in the rain but these disappeared

b)I broke down last thursday on my way up to the north and the engine light came on and stayed on. I heard whooshing noises, lost power and whining when accelerating, which reduced if I took my foot off the accelerator. First look bya garage diagnosed the EGR malfunctioning but when car was put into garage diagnosis changed to turbo bearing!!! This went from a quick clear up job to replacement turbo at cost of around £960. We were told wear and tear was the problem. On a 5 year old car? We have not had the job done yet for reasons which will follow

c)Since then someone else has said that the turbo rarely just goes and that there must be an underlying problem which caused this and that this problem will remain even if we replace turbo. We don't know who to believe. Car has not been starved of oil but we also had the oil low warning lights intermittently and ignorantly topped up with a little oil. Has this caused our problems?

d) The last garage also noticed fuel around (I think) a couple of the injectors!! Does this mean injectors have gone and could this be related to the windscreen washer problem. Has injector problem caused turbo problem. Should we spend lots of cash on this in the hope that all will be well or are we flogging a dead horse here. I am really worried that we will spend money we can ill afford to get a good job done only to find down the road that further problems need sorting. Should we have repaired and then get rid.

Please help, we are desperate for advice and have no knowledge of engines and no money to waste, particularly around £1,000!! We seem to have a combination of many faults.

Edited by Pete&Gill on 24/11/2010 at 12:57

CITROEN BERLINGO MULTISPACE DESIRE - BIG PROBLEMS WITH TURBO AND INJECION ON BERLINGO - injection doc

I under stand your concern, firstly is this a 1.6 or 2.0 ?

1.6 does suffer with turbo issues but often when the turbo is replaced on the 1.6 engine there is other remedial cleaning work in the sump and modyfied pipes to be done.

The wooshing noise could be an air leak from split pipe or intercooler and this will make the turbo spin up faster and noiser , but if the turbo bearings have failed it will also cause excess noise and loss of power.

I think the best bet is to see a 2nd opinion from someone who can inspect the vehicle and physically check the turbo and assess the fuel leak arpound the injectors.

Turbos due suffer wear and tear especially if not driven gently cold, allowed to cool down for couple of mins when stopped before turning off and regular oil changes.

It is unlikley that leaking injectors would cause a turbo problem, normally just poor starting and knocking noises and smoke !

I would guess it would cost a lot more than £1000 to change the vehicle especially in a poor state of running and if you like the vehicle and it does its job then you have to accept these days that average bills for cars can hit 1k+ mark.

I would deal with someone who is recommended or reputable rather than a cheap quick fix as this normally costs more in the long run

CITROEN BERLINGO MULTISPACE DESIRE - BIG PROBLEMS WITH TURBO AND INJECION ON BERLINGO - Pete&Gill

Thank you for your reply. Sorry I'm late getting back but haven't had access to internet until now. It is a 1.6HDI. We have now had the job done at £1,200. As you said as well as replacing the turbo various hoses etc have had to be replaced and a thorough flush through of the oil system. Apparently the problem was sludged up hoses from previous non-flushed oil changes (didn't know this was necessary or available) and no oil getting to the turbo to lubricate it. It seems that this engine is prone to sludging but I would have thought that the Citroen franchise we bought the car from and who did the services would have known and told us this and recommended a flush through! Think a bearing went on the turbo too. We are happy with the repairs (even if 25% more than quoted) and have been asked to take it back in a week's time to have another flush through (at extra cost). There was apparently loads of 'crap' in the sump. We do have a slight leak on one injector but it is only damp at the moment and we really cannot afford an immediate repair to this. It will have to wait for now. What problems should we expect from the leaky injector? Will I break down again (not very nice for a lone female) or will the problem slowly make itself known. How long should we leave it do you think before we get it repaired. As you say, we do love the car and have been advised that getting rid of it because of the turbo going and having spent £1K wouldn't be sensible as we could easily buy another car with some other problem and have to spend out on IT. Sounds like the garage that did the job have got it right as they seem to agree with you on all aspects. Thanks for your help and would appreciate some gen on the injector problems, how they are caused and what problems they can cause. Gill

Edited by Pete&Gill on 01/12/2010 at 13:25

CITROEN BERLINGO MULTISPACE DESIRE - BIG PROBLEMS WITH TURBO AND INJECION ON BERLINGO - injection doc

glad to hear your all up & running and it sounds like the garage have followed the correct lines with flushing and pipe changes.

It may be prudent to double your oil changes and have it flushed when the oil is changed.

there will be some on the forum dead against flushing but unfortunatley these engines do require a little extra TLC.

Some time ago i was discussing these 1.6hdi engines with a turbo manufacturer and although the engine is used in various cars , some makes of cars suffere with more turbo issues than others.

the leak on the injector needs to be monitored, anything more than just damp & it will cause pressure drops, poss starting issues etc. Don't forget when an injector starts leaking the smell is horrendous and lethal for any motorcycle following !

When it comes to the injector/injectors being replaced I would search for a specialist who is confident in replacement /repair.

I would suggest you use a well known fuel suppiler rather than supermarket fuel, these fuels with less addatives tend to create aromatic hydrocarbons which is what all the deposits that are left behind in the sump. ( build up of gum )

You may well find the fuel economey improves too as our 1.6HDi really doesn't perform well on supermarket & economey drops from 53.7 average to 49 mpg.

CITROEN BERLINGO MULTISPACE DESIRE - BIG PROBLEMS WITH TURBO AND INJECION ON BERLINGO - Pete&Gill

Thank you for your kind reply and advice. I am only sorry that I did not acknowledge this sooner but as I said before internet access is intermittent and limited to work at the moment.

Turbo is working great, injector leak is still just 'damp' with no smell currently but!!!....

Now the ABS brakes are failing and we have been afraid to take the car out during all the adverse weather we have been having in the midlands. The normal brakes work perfectly well but during the snow and ice the ABS brakes kick in and the car fails to stop in sufficient time! We took the car back to the garage who did the turbo and whilst a mechanic was test driving the car failed to stop and he had to pull on the handbrake!! Do the ABS take over and cancel the 'ordinary' brakes?

Oh dear. More problems and inconvenience. The ABS brakes give off a grinding noice but when the mechanic looked at the brake discs etc he says there are no markings on them at all (although it sounds like the car is being stopped by a nail!). They seem to think it must be (and I forget the actual word) the servo/pump and this will probably cost another £1k 'ish.

I am driving the car today as the snow has cleared but have had to take the bus to work over the xmas period. We were hoping to go to Yorkshire for a week on new year's eve but are a little afraid to use the car for such a distance, although think if we keep our eye on the weather and return before frost/ice/snow forecasted should be okay.

Time to get rid? We had a quick look around the garages yesterday morning but saw nothing that takes our fancy. All this is very depressing.

CITROEN BERLINGO MULTISPACE DESIRE - BIG PROBLEMS WITH TURBO AND INJECION ON BERLINGO - injection doc

ABS can make horrendous noices in snow and ice as its the control solonoids switching the brake pressure to the wheels to reduce & increase the effort accordingly it may also be so sensative that it takes a mile to stop!

1st is it ok now its not snow & ice ? I suspect it is , if the tyres are of poor quality for winter motoring the ABS symptoms become exagerated.

I have to say that one of our cars , the ABS was so sensative in the snow it was a real pain & the car just wouldn't stop so i took the fuse out !

Audi quattro's years ago used to have a switch for turning the ABS on & off in the snowy weather.

If your ABS is still malfunctioning now the weather is ok, then the first thing is to have a fault code read as it may well just be a wheel sensor or corrosion on a recluctor ring , I seem to remeber the rears getting corroded on these.

So is it ok now ?

CITROEN BERLINGO MULTISPACE DESIRE - BIG PROBLEMS WITH TURBO AND INJECION ON BERLINGO - injection doc

Peter & Gill

I suspect your ABS has been fine now the snow has gone ?

I suspect its tyre related & not an ABS fault. AS i posted earlier ABS can be extremley sensative on some cars , but very much dependant on the tyres as well.

perhaps you can post the makes of tyres you have fitted ? if more than one make just list them all.

I would imagine that with your recent experince of a big failure you are struggling to gain faith in your berlingo so when another problems appears the very worst is always feared!