ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia

hello all. i have a fiesta td, 2001 (y) there is not hot air into the car from the blower. and im at a loss here.

i have changed the heater control vale for a new one, changed the board behind the heater control dial,. flushed out the system and displaced any air. checked the one under the glove box, tested the power supply for the correct currant and looked for the pulse in the currant 0-14. still no luck. did at first think heater control valve as hot water was reaching there but not out the other side but this had no change.

any help

thanks

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - fitterman2

might sound stupid but is the water circulating round the engine? ive had it where the water pump blades had broke and water wasnt circulating all around.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia
thankyou for you question. yes water is curculating around the engine as i ran the engine for a short while with the pipe of the back side of the hcv and it was pushing out so from that i assume it must be pumping.
ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

My 2000 x reg 1388cc zetec fiesta went cold with previous owner so they fitted a new cheapo replacement unit( from well known on-line auction) and after I had driven it for 2000 miles it suddenly blew nothing but hot.That`s what can happen when you buy cheapo non original parts....120,000 on original,2,000 on cheap pattern part which only cost a few quid less than OE part!

If you have fitted correct OE part have you connected your hoses in original positions....easy to get it wrong.

....now where can I get a pair of 355mm rear flexi brake hoses for mine?

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia
thankyou. i have tested the hcv and it working as should. im shocked about your flexi pipes.
ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia

www.kapltd.com

you should get your flexi hoses here

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

Just rung them and they said they only ever did braided hoses for the Quantum kit car but now are pursuing CNC engineering,doing batches of various components for classic Jags etc.

Back to sq1 trying to locate Fiesta Mk 1V rear brake hoses of 355mm in length...can anyone help please?

With your blower,if your HCV is ok,sounds like a blockage somewhere or airlock ,have you run it up to temp with the cap off expansion tank,topping up with hot water as required whilst leaving the blower on.Give some of your hoses a squeeze as she warms up(don`t burn or mutilate your fingers in the process though!)Trouble with modern vehicles there are lots of little by-pass hoses which can become blocked or kinked with age.Have seen a heater hose which had collapsed internally,pipe`s layers unbonded, but looked ok externally.Did you flush heater matrix to check its throughput?Did you test the resistor assy circuit board?

Not much help to you,but in1990 I picked up a cheap 1984 Renault 11 on which the water pump had failed.New water pump and head gasket and I had myself a good little runabout.Remember it was a bit of a pain to bleed the water system but it had little bleed screws on a couple of pipes....those clever French eh.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

Just rung them and they said they only ever did braided hoses for the Quantum kit car but now are pursuing CNC engineering,doing batches of various components for classic Jags etc.

Back to sq1 trying to locate Fiesta Mk 1V rear brake hoses of 355mm in length...can anyone help please?

With your blower,if your HCV is ok,sounds like a blockage somewhere or airlock ,have you run it up to temp with the cap off expansion tank,topping up with hot water as required whilst leaving the blower on.Give some of your hoses a squeeze as she warms up(don`t burn or mutilate your fingers in the process though!)Trouble with modern vehicles there are lots of little by-pass hoses which can become blocked or kinked with age.Have seen a heater hose which had collapsed internally,pipe`s layers unbonded, but looked ok externally.Did you flush heater matrix to check its throughput?Did you test the resistor assy circuit board?

Not much help to you,but in1990 I picked up a cheap 1984 Renault 11 on which the water pump had failed.New water pump and head gasket and I had myself a good little runabout.Remember it was a bit of a pain to bleed the water system but it had little bleed screws on a couple of pipes....those clever French eh.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - leeboy

have you replaced the thermostat?

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia
yes thermost replace yesterday. no air looks. can feel hcv pulsing, replaced curcit board behind temp control. fulshed matrex out. tested currant at hcv and its droping and riseing as should. hoses warm top and bottom of rad. getting silly now lol.
ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

Your heater motor`s spinning but its fan blade is loose on shaft or has fallen off?

You have a squirrel/rat/mouse/hedgehog nesting in your blower pipes?

Give up and install a lorry heater?

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia

blower fan is fine as blowing at full power. like the comment on lorry heater but the fiesta is 12 volt not 24 mate.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

Fair enough,I wont get my mate to fix you up with one of his portable lorry heaters then.

In my garage I have a complete Reliant Robin heater unit which has a manual cable-controlled flow valve.

You`ve tried everything else,chuck your HCV ,connect your pipes up with a manual set-up and away you go,nice and toasty for the winter...who needs modern technology?!

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia
yes i think your on the right track there. i did wounder what would happen if i dismissed the hcv and joined the pipes. today im going to bypass the oil cooler on a temp basis and see what happens. i have herd this can also cause a problem.

any update on you flexi pipes.
ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

If you removed the HCV and connected the pipes together with free-flow you will get very hot even with the blower off.That is in effect where I was with mine,due to faulty HCV,when it was last on its wheels.I was driving around with my windows down it was so hot,not much fun at night in the wind&rain even though at the time it was still summer.Will be nice and toasty this winter though!

In the olden days when auto chokes used to play up a lot,you could get a kit to change back to manual and save fuel,improve starting/running etc....maybe if you don`t mind drilling a hole in your bulkhead and dash you could do the same with your HCV?

Still stuck with my brakes,pair 355mm rear flexi hoses not turned up yet.Will probably buy some earlier Fiesta 425mm ones with the securing nut instead of the clip and be done with it.May have to put plastic coil around them to prevent pipes` contact with rear shock leg where they come out of the wheel cylinders,what with them being longer.

As for the steel ones I was lazy and bought front&rear cupro-nickel pipes already made up(£23 incl p&p) from very helpful bloke off that well known on-line auction site....going there now for a gander to see what flexis are listed.

Can`t wait to get out there under the car on the driveway in that cold wind again;still at least the sun`s out every so often

When I`ve finished the brakes then there`s the rot at rear of o/s outer sill at the join to sort out....before it can have its medical!

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia
sounds like you have your hands full as well. but im sure you will get there. as for mine well, yesterday i flushed it throu again. rad, matrex, block, oil cooler, all flowing well. joined the pipes at hcv to by pass it and guess what, luke warm only. screwing my head now. yes i do remember the early auto choke probs lol and the maunal kit you could buy.

my thoughts now keep going back to the water pump, perhaps not giving enough pressure to curculate but then i belive i would have had a over heating problem and i havent.

think you better dig out that reliant heater lol.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

No wheels yet so I`m faced with using public transport tomorrow for the first time since I caught the No 9 bus when I lived up north in Oldham donkey`s years ago.

Maybe you`re onto something with your water-pump.Thermal expansion of coolant alone may allow some circulation but not enough to create flow through matrix if pump is dodgy.If temp gauge remains stable then water must be rising through your rad and being drawn back around the engine.

Must be a Ford mechanic out there with the answer.....probably on one of those pay-for-advice sites.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia
well you maybe on the bus today but i bet its warmer than my fiesta fridge. mind you i do feel for you standing at the bus stop.

let me know if you have any luck if not i will help you do an intence search.

mail order on me pump but should be fitting wednesday, will keep you updated. good luck
ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

Chickened out;the thought of sitting on a bus an hour each way didn`t appeal so cancelled my appointment, rescheduled to next week by which time I have to be on the road.Weather had better improve as I`ll be out in the elements bleeding the brakes if I can find some rear hoses.

Should have got the planning permission in for the garage build last year.

Thought I`d struck gold when found pair of Goodridges listed by private seller on e**y,but ended up being 340mm not the 355mm I need...Grrrrrrrrr!

Hope your new pump was a good price and does the trick for you on wednesday.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia
haha can see you like the bus as much as i do, i think i would have done the same. must be a good size garage as if i remember when i dont mine it had to be inspected because it was 3ft over the limit of not needing planing.

just a thought and im sure you will laugh but what about using a flexi hose joiner in the middle and getting 2 pair of shorter lenght.

i belive goodridge do these for around £4.00 and would at least get you back on the road.


ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

You know,it`s funny you should mention the joiner,excellent suggestion,I had toyed with the idea of fitting a small union into the wheel cylinder to extend length.Just waiting to hear back about some 350mm length flexis but I reckon that I should save my money and find a couple of unions.I will try Goodridge as you suggested.Am I tight or what?

I was hoping to put in for a double garage but don`t want to fork out nearly £300 just to be told only a single is permitted within the restrictions that apply.I will have to try and find out before I part with the money I don`t have! Unfortunately I don`t have "connections"........

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia
water pump has arrived, got from ebxy. new £24.50p with one year warrenty so happy at that , or will be once its on. not doing it today mind as i know its a right pain of a job and i could be in the frame of mind to kick it today lol.

nar ya not tight just, just not throwing ya money away for someone else to get rich, good knows its hard enough to get in the first place.

yer planning do like to strip you of your money, if you paid anyone else for somethink and were not happy you would be coverd by law but as we know they are a law unto there self.

perhaps go and have a surf down on the beach.
ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

You`ll need the heating working after a blast on the surfboard!Must be a tough lot where you come from?Last time I went in the sea during Sept was years ago in Devon.Saw just one person in the sea,a chap in his eighties happily swimming to&fro,so told the crowd I was with that it can`t be that bad,I`ll go for a dip.Difficult to act cool when your teeth are chattering.....was colder than the icy plunge-pool at Center Parcs and that`s manned in case anyone gets into "difficulties".

Job done,or are you still throwing spanners around the garage?What are those w/pumps like to get at on the td Fiesta?Remember someone removing the engine to get at the w/pump on a 1990 Escort diesel van...not sure if they had to or just did it for fun?!

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia

well a wet suit sometimes stops the teeth chattering lol but other parts do tend to shrivel ha ha ha .

anyway 8 hour job today doing the pump. yes you have to remove both engine mounts and half the car to get to it and then its still a complete pig. would not advise anyone to takle it unless extremly confidant, easier to remove the engine by far.

anyway im glad i done it as as i go a right kick in the teeth as no change lol. and doubt i would do anouther one.

totaly lost now. as im sure you are. might just set the fxxxer alight, that will warm it up ha ha .

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - bathtub tom

What does your temperature gauge show?

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia

no temp gauge fitted to this model . runs cool to normal going by the water pipes.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - marnemainia
HEY PRESTO. HOT AIR AT LAST. CHANGED PUMP LAST NIGHT AND THOUGH IT HAD NOT DONE THE JOB BUT HOT AIR THIS MORNING ENOUGH TO TAN AN ASIAN.
STILL DONT RECOMMEND PEOPLE DOING A PUMP CHANGE UNLESS THEY ARE VERY VERY COMPITANT. ON THAT NOTE IF ANYONE IS THINKING OF CHANGING THERE FIESTA WATER PUMP ON A DIESEL FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME FOR ANY ADVICE AS THE HAYNES MANUAL IS AS GOOD AS TOILET ROOL THAT HAS BEEN USED.
ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - tdc

Hurrah!Sorted,well done,just in time for the first frost?

Yesterday fitted some new brake hoses at last.Got some suitable flexis next-day post from very good seller on e**y.They have loads of bargain brake components etc for many older vehicles..... deserve a plug if it`s allowed?

Know what you mean about certain manuals,are they really written by mechanics...or just mechanics who work on brand new cars where nothing`s seized up?

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - Trox
Hi this thread had got me worried now, am in teh process of sorting out all my lower arms and the heating problem is my next job, I have a 98 1.25 zetec ghia, is it going to be as hard to sort as yours was? As in if it needs a new pump do I have to almost take the engine out to fit it?

Edited by Trox on 17/11/2010 at 02:56

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - over30

I would not worry too much.

The 'heater control valve' is a weak link in the 'Fiesta' and the 'Ka', they both use the same part, which is notorious for failing.

If your temperature gauge is behaving normally, ie the engine is reaching normal operating temperature in a reasonable amount of time, then it is unlikely to be the 'thermostat'.

Water Pump failure would cause more problems than just the heater not working, does the car overheat based on fan operation or temperature gauge readings?

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - Trox

the car works perfectly apart from the heater blowing cold air, I constantly check the temp guage as I have had head gasket failures failures before, so I really dont think it is that, it would be nice to know that it is likeley the HCV as I presume that is a relatively cheap job.

Cheers :)

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - over30
The part can be sourced on 'ebay' fairly cheaply, as I said the part is prone to failure.

All it is, is a small plastic housing with 4 pipe connections, with a solenoid inside, that controls the amount of hot engine coolant that passes into the heater matrix.

For reasons known only to these valves, they just decide to pack in on their own!
ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - JDog

Hi mate I have the same exact problem. After engine has worked for some time I just get warm air for 5 seconds and that's it.

Sometime ago I had also replaced the inside mesh as it had punctured.

My 1994 diesel fiesta has no hcv that I can see. I have only 2 pipes one going directly in the inside mesh with the other coming directly out.

Is this pump thing connected to the timing belt?

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - jc2

A 1994 should have the old type air-blend heater,not a water valve type.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - JDog

ok jc what could be the problem then?

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - JDog

I might have found what was the problem in my case. My model is 1994 and has no hot water control valve. Mine simply blends hot/cold air inside the car itself.

Some time back a mechanic was stupid enough to replace my faulty thermostat (was getting stuck therefore engine heating up) with a petrol version.

the 1.8 diesel thermostat should be rated 85-89 deg start opening, fully open at 102.

Since for petrol rating is lower, the thermostat that was installed was opening much before the 85deg and therefore water kept circulating around the radiator and engine was not heating enough, plus since the thermostat is open much of the pump pressure was being dissipated inside the radiator pipe and not much left for the inside heater unit.

I am having it replaced now with a proper ORIGINAL one that I bought myslef. I'll reply back if it does/doesn't do the trick.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - sean2012

hi there how did u change the pump cause i have a fiesta 1.8td and its being quite a b***** to gt the pump in with the tension wheel do you have any advise please many thanks

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - pscott78

hi i had same problem same car it was the heater valve located under the bonnet by the wipers 11 pounds of ebay diy job 2 pipes in 2 pipes out easy

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - JDog

I might have found what was the problem in my case. My model is 1994 and has no hot water control valve. Mine simply blends hot/cold air inside the car itself.

Some time back a mechanic was stupid enough to replace my faulty thermostat (was getting stuck therefore engine heating up) with a petrol version.

the 1.8 diesel thermostat should be rated 85-89 deg start opening, fully open at 102 deg.

Since for petrol rating is lower, the thermostat that was installed was opening much before the 85deg and therefore water kept circulating around the radiator and engine was not heating enough, plus since the thermostat is open much of the pump pressure was being dissipated inside the radiator pipe and not much left for the inside heater unit.

I am having it replaced now with a proper ORIGINAL one that I bought myslef. I'll reply back if it does/doesn't do the trick.

ford fiesta td - no hot air at from blower - JDog

thermostat was wrong type, now replaced with original to spec one. But still problem not solved.

Finally resorted to remove heater matrixand investigated (some acrobatics here) the inside of the matrix housing.

i found out that there are places at the top round the edges where air can leak out from when under pressure, therefore reducing the air flow through the matrix. Sealed as best as I could with self adhesuive tape. But I doubt this was it.

When putting the matirx back, I tried to seal off the edges of the matrix as best as I could so as not to let air go around the edges of the matrix. I suspect that originally there was some form of insulator here, as the matrix actually sits on two sort of small stands that create a gap of about 2mm between matrix and bottom housing. This offers an easy path for the air when compared with the restricted path through the matrix. This could explain why initially air comes hot but after a few econds it cools off to just lukewarm.

Also when ressembling everything, I took the opportunity to switch the inlet with the outlet, putting the incoming at the bottom.

I know this is unconvensional, but I reasoned that this is a good way to remove any possible air lock, since air goes up, I am this way all the time helping it out of the matrix.

But at least now I have improved it a lot.