Vauxhall Astra F - 1997 diesel AstraVan cambelt snap - panther

Had a cambelt failure on my 1997 AstraVan 1.7. It’s the old GM low blow (X17DTL engine).

Was just wondering if it’s possible to determine if any valves are bent without removing the head. I know on this engine that valve damage is very likely but am hoping I might have been lucky and avoid taking the head off.

It snapped just after pulling off from traffic lights so not going very fast. The belt itself was in good condition but looks like the plastic cam guard was deteriorated & broken with sharp edges digging into the belt. It’s got 3 broken rockers.

I’ve got a tool to remove rockers without touching the camshaft so what I was thinking is set engine to TDC & back it off 90* so all pistons are at half way position, replace rockers and rotate the cam by hand to get a feel for any unusual resistance caused by bent valves and listen if all valves snap shut. If that’s ok I’m tempted to just bang a new belt on and pray.

Edited by panther on 19/08/2010 at 10:35

Vauxhall Astra F - 1997 diesel AstraVan cambelt snap - Peter.N.

The only thing that you can really do is to fit a new cam belt and do a compression test, or just start the engine and see how it runs. You could first remove the rockers and see if any valves are stuck down.

Vauxhall Astra F - 1997 diesel AstraVan cambelt snap - panther

Took the rockers out and all valves seem to push down ok. Put them back and replaced the 3 broken ones and cam turns round ok so I'm hoping I've been lucky. Got a new belt but one of the crank pulley bolts is completely rounded off and won't budge so might have to weld a nut on to get the sod off. Will have another go tomorrow.

Vauxhall Astra F - 1997 diesel AstraVan cambelt snap - Railroad.

If some of the rockers are broken you will almost certainly have avoided valve damage. It also means they're genuine. All too often camshafts were replaced from non-genuine kits. These had stronger rockers and would not break so easily. In these cases valve damage would occur.

If you have the tool for changing the rockers I'd do so, and then I'd fully expect it to start and run without any problems.....

Edited by Railroad. on 20/08/2010 at 23:20

Vauxhall Astra F - 1997 diesel AstraVan cambelt snap - Peter.N.

I would agree, sounds as though you have escaped major damage. Pleased to hear you use my technology for removing broken bolts!

Vauxhall Astra F - 1997 diesel AstraVan cambelt snap - injection doc

make sure you use the proper tools for timing the cam. More than 1mm out & the valves hit when reved! Normally the rockers break which saves the engine.best of luck.

Check & recheck the valve timing several times as the more acurate it is the sweeter it will run, I used to strobe the pump timing afterwards & they used to run & rev like a petrol.

Vauxhall Astra F - 1997 diesel AstraVan cambelt snap - panther

Well I’m pleased to say she’s running again! This is actually the second belt failure on this van. 1st one was self inflicted by reaching 160k miles and not knowing when (or if) the belt had been changed before – guess I found out the hard way! Looks like the cam back cover caused this one to go as its broken and been flapping about rubbing the belt. The broken belt was half the width of the new one! For time being I’ve ripped the bottom cover off altogether.

When the first belt went it broke 4 rockers but also bent 2 valves. The rockers fitted at that time were big thick chunky ones but luckily for me I replaced them all with genuine GM rockers which look a lot thinner in the middle so probably saved valve damage this time.

I used a cam tool that fits on the end and locks it into position. Think I supposed to use a dial gauge to fine adjust it but sod it, it runs without going bang so guess I’m close enough :-) Now I know it runs I’ll invest in a new timing belt tensioner pulley.

Vauxhall Astra F - 1997 diesel AstraVan cambelt snap - pogsinnz

Interesting to read your post. Mine is a 1996 with the X17DTL (rare in New Zealand) and suddenly had to replace tthe water pump and tensioner. Tensioner nearly fell apart in my hands. Water pump bolts had been wrecked by somebody. Big job, but got that done. Thought I managed it without altering cambelt and timing, it all looked good but when I rotated the crankshaft by hand it stopped after 1/8 turn.

Good to hear that it can in fact be done without a dial gauge but I don't even have a locking tool so I just called a mobile mechanic. Turns out he doesn't have or use a dial gauge either. Don't care as long as he can get it running again...

Vauxhall Astra F - 1997 diesel AstraVan cambelt snap - pogsinnz

Hey how do you go about using a strobe to adjust the pump timing? I gone over heaps of info, but never heard of that being done on the X17DTL before, only using a dial gauge (which of course I don't have).

Mine turns over OK and will run (poorly) with diesel start stuff sprayed into the turbo, but wont fire up. I noticed diesel staurating one of the leak-off tubes which were are fairly new and were nice and dry previously.

I think I am really close to getting it going but need to tweek something - like maybe pump timing...?

Mobile mechanic figured its as though its out 1/2 tooth but if he adjusted it would just be out 1/2 the other way. Tried talking to him about TIS 2000 or Autodata timing instructions but he didn't seem to think it was important (no offense but he's not a diesel specialist and probably never worked on a X17DTL before).

Cheers, Paul