Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - CorsaPita

Hi all.

I have been having some issues with my 1.3 Corsa cdti and i think i'm finaly getting some where with it.

Thing is my symptoms are BAD Black smoke,slow throttle responce, not wanting to rev over 3k and lately poor starting (takes quite and effort to get going) i have been going through every thing that could cause it but when i came to the Turbo found the Compressor housing (inside) covered in engine oil (quite bad) even though there is not much movement in the Turbo's Shaft/bearings, also the intake pipe work etc after the Turbo has a coating of oil but not doused in it.

So i am fairly sure the Turbo seals have gone causing a leak which would explain the black smoke (i think) but i don't see how the Turbo could be stopping it rev properly if the Turbo wheels are spinning freely?

Do you think i should be looking for another fault as well while its in bits or am i just being Paranoid?

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - Peter.N.

Oil inside the compressor end of the turbo and the associated piping is quite normal, its oil mist from the crankcase breather system. If the seals had failed I would expect blue smoke not black as lubricating oil would be seeping into the turbo end and being burnt.

Black smoke is a sign of overfueling or a lack of air, as the performance is suffering I would suspect the latter. Does it smoke all the time or only on starting or at full throttle?

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - CorsaPita

It smokes all the time and its thick Black smoke.

I thought it would be Blue but i keep reading that when the Turbo fails it can causes Black smoke?

For example..

The Answer is in the Smoke

We can generally understand what is wrong with a diesel engine by the colour of smoke emitted from the exhaust. There are three basic colours - black, white and blue.

Black Smoke

This is due to a air to fuel ratio imbalance, either the fuel system is delivering too much fuel into the engine or there is not enough clean air (oxygen ) a few things to look for :

  • Faulty injectors (injectors need attention at about 100.000 to 120 000 miles)
  • Faulty injector pump
  • Dirty air cleaner
  • Turbocharger or intercooler faulty
  • Problems within cylinder head, valves clogged up due to faulty EGR (exhaust gas recycling unit)
White Smoke

Normally means that the fuel injected into the cylinder is not burning correctly. The smoke will burn your eyes.

  • Engine/pump timing out
  • Fuel starvation to the pump causing the pumps timing not to operate correctly
  • Low engine compression
  • Water/petrol in the fuel
Blue Smoke

The engine is burning engine oil

  • Worn cylinders or piston rings
  • Faulty valves or valve stem seals
  • Engine over full with engine oil
  • Faulty injector pump/lift pump allowing engine oil to be mixed with the diesel

Edited by CorsaPita on 24/05/2010 at 19:44

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - CorsaPita
I have just put a good turbo on and cleaned the Inlet/Head runners/Valves with carb cleaner (was no big build up of carbon)

Just had it running for 30 mins and recompression tested it and its now 1 and 2 are 200psi, 3 is 220psi and 4 is 250psi

So would you say its rebuild time? its odd how its evenly 350psi when its cold but drops to the 200's when its hot, did think it may have a sticky valve because of the carb cleaner washing carbon all over them but guess not on all four bores...
Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - Peter.N.

Has the new turbo improved the smoke problem? Black smoke with lack of performance is almost always cause by insufficient air. Have you checked the EGR system?

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - CorsaPita

I think it has, it does seem to be clearer but its still quite hard to get going.

Whilst it was appart i checked all the Inlet pipes for blockages, intercooler has been off and checked. I also saw the Turbo working on another car before i bought it.

I now struggling to figure this out but with a lack of Engine light i think it must be mechanical...

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - Peter.N.

Presumably you have checked the air filter and piping?

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - CorsaPita

I have taken the air filter out now and that not really made any diffrence.

Its like Blockage but no Blockage.... With the Dodgy compression i can only imagen its the engine not drawing enough air in?

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - Peter.N.

If the turbo is working properly it shouldn't have to draw air in. Can you disconnect the pipe from the turbo output to the inlet manifold? If so check that there is actually some air pressure coming out of the turbo. How about the EGR the valve it isn't stuck open is it?

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - CorsaPita

The EGR is a bit of a weired one, it was replaced by Vauxhall before i got it for the Engine light coming on. In my quest i have taken it off a few times and took the Cooler off it and tbh looks brand new so i left it alone. But i noticed there was a big carbon build up round the probe in the Inlet that was blocking a good 75% of air flow, i cleaned that up but strangly it didn't make allot of diffrence??

As for the Turbo i thought the engine ran at idle in Neg pressure so the engine its self turned the turbo, when its reved the Exhaust pressure then turns the Turbo fast enough to make possitive pressure.

The Turbo has helped thinking about it as it now revs over 3k but it still haves bad throttle responce.

I am also going to check the cam timing again tomorow as i turned the engine over by hand and i've just relised i was turning it over backwards..... SO it may have slipped a tooth as i was told these engines don't like being turned backwards due to the hydrolic tensioner.

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - CorsaPita

This car has had a head gasket not very long ago, do you think some thing could be put back wrong?

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - madf

Sounds like the timing is out. Or a gasket - exhaust or inlet has been replaced incorrectly.

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - piston power

Take it up the motorway when at temp drop to 3rd gear and boot it for a bit look in the rear view mirror does it look like the Batmobile?

Commonly known as an "Italian tune up" is there any smoke? get those valves working taking the revs up it may just sort your problem get it back and check the compression readings again.

You probably have a clogged up car and it needs a good thrash to clear.

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - CorsaPita

I have though about giving it some round the Block at night when there is no one about but its hard to get going when its cold and vertualy imposable when its Hot so if i stall it or it dies then i have a real problem getting it back.

I was going to have a go at it today but as these things go i got an emergancy at work that i had to deal with so i only got about 20 mins?? that said for some reason the engine light came on whilst it was running but as i say not had chance to have a look at it yet.

Do you think giving it some stick down the duel carriagway might harm it at all? or is it a case of if its gone its not going to do any more damage?

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - CorsaPita

I've just been reading the recipt for the Head gasket and noticed there is a seprate recipt for a second hand cam box (says it came from a 2006 corsa combo) so are all the cams and flywheels the same? i.e. could it have mismatched parts on it that when timed up with the proper tools makes it out of time? (long shot i know but you never know, i just woundered if the Combo may have had a diffrent gearbox or some thing like that).

As for Timing, If the engine is turned clockwise until the 6mm dowl goes in the hole in the Bottom of the gear box bell housing and the Cam locking tool clicks into the cam that should be correct?

Is there a test i can do to see if the EGR is working correctly? there is no engine lights on and it does look new but you never know it may be a bad valve from the factory? are they suposed to be open on idle and shut when being driven or the other way round? i was told to check it run the engine for a few muinets and see if its exhaust hot or just warm, but if the valve is open on idle its going to get warm?

Vauxhall Corsa C - CDTI Turbo seals gone? - banjo36

There is a mention of testing if the EGR is stuck. I have fixed my EGR which was stuck open a fairly simple job with a set of extended shaft torx keys or spanners , I.e. like long Allen keys but star type. Remove water tank clip move it up and forward, remove fuel filter and housing completely, 3 fuel pipes, remove three T30 bolts from plastic Pipe , end of intake manifold, remove fixing screw on same pipe down low, remove solenoid plug on EGR' remove 3 T25 screws on EGR and use WD40 to free up center pin on motor end push in pull back 8mm its a pin on a spring. Done the EGR solenoid is a small black plastic unit with cooling fins about 50 mom dia. At under end of intake manifold battery side. It has an electric 2pin plug into it.