Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - guygamps

I nearly fell of my chair when I read this:

Quote from owner of the car, (thank you Daily Telegraph)

There’s no way I’d have given the keys of my car to anyone who wasn’t qualified to handle it.

“We were travelling at speed. He was driving the car in such fine balance that he never once triggered the traction control. It was the state of the road that caused the crash. We hit mud, which is constantly being dragged on to the main roads by tractors coming out of the fields.”

This really resonated with me, readers may know I crashed my Nissan 200SX turbo (fraction of the power in rear wheels compared to the Zonda), in nearly exactly the same circumstances, earth movers had left mud on road as they exited a field which had turned slippery and slimey in the rain.

BUT.. I am not a professional driver, had not owned or driven a rear wheel drive sports car before (had owned the 200SX for 3 weeks), and in this forum and others "put my hands up" and said that I clearly realised that only I was responsible.

I now take much more care of the driving conditions, road conditions, I currently drive a 4.0 250bhp (at least) Jag XJS, and I am always aware of the road conditions, looking out for mud etc and backing off in any case where I think grip might be compromised, where as before the accident I probably never get much thought to the difference what is under the car could make!

In this case the driver is professional racing driver, surely someone who knows this by instinct, and who would moderate his driving according to the tarmac condition beneath him, bhe reading the road ahead, noting hazards and driving accordingly.

It was not the "road that caused the crash", it was the driver not recognising the hazard presented.

Same as with me in 2007!

GUY

Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - ijws15

Anyone who has read "Roadcraft" will know that it keeps stressing the importance of knowing what the the road surface is.

As you say - driver error.

Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - brum

“We were travelling at speed....

translated.... "we were travelling way in excess of the speed limit / safe limit for the road...."

It takes a lot to crash an expensive sports car (one not involved with other vehicles) on an ordinary UK road at legal speeds as by definition their handling/road manners are designed to safely handle 150+mph speeds in relatively dumb hands.

I'm surprised the insurance company doesnt challenge it. I expect the Zonda to be upgraded to an "uninsurable" rating by many comapanies.

Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - WellKnownSid

Wasn't it about a year ago when Ronaldo crashed a Ferrari in one of the tunnels under Manchester airport?

I used to use those 'tunnels' every day. First of all, it's a 50 limit, and they're 2 lanes wide, well lit, and in two quite short stretches - having an accident is a physical impossibility.

Ronaldo not only managed to crash, he 'bounced' off the tunnel walls so hard that he left one of his wheels + some suspension components 200 yards behind where his car finally came to rest!!! That's double the highway code stopping distance at 70 mph... albeit he would have been on three wheels at that point. ;)

His excuse? He slipped on "some water which was probably mixed with oil in it as well"..!

Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - Sofa Spud

The Pagani Zonda styling hints that it's just itching to swap ends at the first opportunity. There are many cars that aren't particularly beautiful, but the Zonda is possibly the only one whose styling says 'Don't say I didn't warn you!'

Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - ijws15

The relatively small number of this type of cars made, and the large number that are involved in accidents (e.g. "wrecked exotics") implies that those who want one are the very people who should not be driving.

Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - Sofa Spud

Usually enthusiasts for a hobby, e.g. cooking, gardening, carpentry, horse-riding etc. tend to be better at their hobby than people who are not enthusiasts.

Over the years my observation is that motoring is an exception, since enthusiasts for performance cars tend to be worse on-road drivers than the average driver. I hasten to add that I wouldn't use the same brush to tar all car enthusiasts, some are very good drivers.

One has to ask oneself why anyone would want to buy one of these ultra-fast supercars if there wasn't some lurking desire or intention to try out its performance from time to time.

Owners of Zondas etc. can take the cars to track days, of course, but even then there's a high risk of losing control if you try to explore the limits of the car's performance. That's probably true of a Golf Gti to some extent too, but you wouldn't be going so fast, ther would be more chance to recover control and if you hit something you'd probably do so at a lower speed.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 29/03/2010 at 11:35

Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - Armstrong Sid
Unfortunately, it seems to be that in some cases (not all, I hasten to add) that the amount of money available to buy a car is inversely proportional to the driver's ability to understand how to drive the thing.

Some of them operate on the principle of "I have a lot of money, therefore I must be a good driver"

Or equally, if you can afford to pay that kind of money for a car, then presumably you must have quite a bit in your bank account; therefore if you can buy a Zonda, writing it off may be relatively no more than a 'normal' person writing off a 6yr old Corsa
Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - rtj70

I knew of a millionaire who decided to get the most expensive rally car he could - little experience though. He entered a competition and wrapped it around a tree and died.

Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:...""Or equally, if you can afford to pay that kind of money for a car, then presumably you must have quite a bit in your bank account; therefore if you can buy a Zonda, writing it off may be relatively no more than a 'normal' person writing off a 6yr old Corsa""

That may well be the case, but I would be more worried about the possibility of damage to myself or other people than about damage to a car, whatever its value. Also, if I crashed a car through loss of control, I'd see it as a personal failure, like not just blotting my copy book but tipping a whole jar of ink over it.

I see over on the Autocar site that there's a new way for millionaires to commit suicide now - a 1250 bhp, 0-60 in 3 seconds, 200+mph Venom GT, based on the Lotus Elise.



Edited by Sofa Spud on 29/03/2010 at 22:16

Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - oilrag

Never saw a more embarrassed looking bloke than the one with a crashed Westfield.

Last Summer, he had spun it on the ringroad outside Halfords and it had gone backwards for about 100yds scraping a wall behing the pavement before ending up on it`s side.

Anyone on that 100yds of pavement would have been wiped out. As it was, it was just him standing there, waiting for a breakdown truck and looking sheepish.

I wondered at the time if his licence would be endorsed and to what extent.

Crashed Pagani Zonda, would you beleive it! - Leif

It makes me wonder if these cars are suitable for normal road use.