temporary vehicle after accidents - concrete
I was involved in an accident 17 months ago. Firmly believe not my fault. Finally got a court date for May to sort it out. Now learn that if case fails I am liable for the replacement vehicle costs, some £1600.00 for 23 days. Reported accident within an hour to insurer. Not long after got a call from a company to say a replacement car was on its way. Car of a similar standard to mine. Assumed that insurers had arranged this. In the event of losing the case I do not intend to pay but to refer the car hire company to my insurers who must have contacted them and given them my contact details, therefore down to them to pick up the tab. I could have hired this car privately for less than half the price they are asking. Any advice on legal position or otherwise would be appreciated. Concrete
temporary vehicle after accidents - CraigP
You agreed to pay if you loose when you took the car.

It's not everyone else's fault, stop trying to find someone to blame because you just went along with the nice things and didnt apply due diligence.

Bah!

Your carry on makes this service more expensive for everyone else.
temporary vehicle after accidents - smokie
"You agreed to pay if you loose when you took the car"

I don't see where it says this...?
temporary vehicle after accidents - CraigP
I don't see where it says this...?


On the contract you agreed to (you did agree to it otherwise it'd be unenforceable in court!)
temporary vehicle after accidents - slowdown avenue
i wonder what commision the insurance companies recieve from car hire companies
temporary vehicle after accidents - daveyjp
In order to claim these charges the accident management company need to prove to the Courts that you agreed to pay these charges should they fail to apportion blame 100% to the other party.

A signed agreement being the usual form of proof, but without a breakdown of the potential costs even this may not be sufficient.

Check all paperwork relating to the loan car carefully.

Some insurance companies use accident management companies as a matter of course, but you will receive paper work from them stating they work alongside your insurance company. This will explain how the the costs of the hire car are claimed back from the other party, but if they fail there is an indemnity guarantee to cover the charges, unless your claim is fraudulent.

Time to trawl through all the paperwork relating to the claim.
temporary vehicle after accidents - rtj70
When you took/got the hire car, what did you sign if anything? If you signed anything you do still have copies of the contract.
temporary vehicle after accidents - jacks
I used (was offered) a credit hire company once many years ago and had trouble getting the other insurers to pay.
I contacted the AA legal services for advice and they told me that all the Credit hire companies had it in the small print that the hirer (you) was liable for the hire charges if - for any reason- they were unable to recover their costs. Despite the brochure/adverts stating we recover all our costs from the "other side" - the actual contract is what counts.

When you picked up - or had delivered - a hire car you would have signed for it. This signed document is the contract that you agreed to.

In my case it was eventually sorted out and the other driver (long long story) was taken to court and i didn't end up paying anything BUT I was very lucky in hindsight.

Now I would always refuse any offers and either accept the inconvenience and use public transport etc or make my own hire arrangements after consulting a solicitor.

Too many stories like the OP and it's just not worth all the trouble that you are storing up.

Good luck to the OP.

Jacks
temporary vehicle after accidents - jlo
I remember reading that helphire may ask for £10 for indemity insurance to cover the costs if they don't win the claim.

Not sure if others do a similar scheme?

Jlo31
temporary vehicle after accidents - ajsdoc
It's these ludicrous add ons to insurance claims that mean we all pay so much. Dad recently had a no fault claim and an expensive courtesy car delivered. He returned it when he saw the daily charge even though the other party admitted liability completely. They were a little shocked and said well it's all covered by the other driver - he said a rip off is a rip off no matter who's paying. He was right.

What with courtesy cars, loss of earnings, whiplash, post traumatic stress - we all know these are mainly spurious and over inflated costs and we only have ourselves as society to blame. Everyone's out for something.
temporary vehicle after accidents - gordonbennet
It's these ludicrous add ons to insurance claims that mean we all pay so much.


Well said, add in the scam accident makers and the no insurance crew too.

I collect expensive cars defleeted from this 'industry', the volumes are incredible.
temporary vehicle after accidents - Clk Sec
I agree with ajsdoc and his dad.

I was in receipt of a minor rear end shunt a couple of years ago and was offered this service, but decided instead on a combination of the repairers much smaller courtesy car and a few bus rides.

Not suitable for busy executives, of course.

Clk Sec







temporary vehicle after accidents - Galaxy
I myself also refused an expensive courtesy car after an accident a couple of years ago. I was offered a large car by one of these accident management companies but, because I didn't want the risk of having to pay the cost myself if blame went against me (it didn't in the end) I opted for the free Toyota Aygo which was offered by the bodyshop of the insurers approved repairer.

The Aygo was OK, it meant that I could get to work, go shopping, etc, but I wouldn't have wanted to go on a long run in it. Main thing was I could still get around.

temporary vehicle after accidents - Falkirk Bairn

The last rearend bump I had the 3rd party insurer would not agree to car hire as I was indcating possible claim for neck strain.

They said I could use a 2/3 yr old Micra from the body builder. The 3rd party insurer then relented when I said I would hire an astra (smaller than my car) as I drive 500 miles per week - cost would be £40+ /day - they could hire same car under their arrangements for £20 /day.

Car was off the road for nigh on 2 weeks so they saved nearly £300.

It still took the 23 mths to settle and for me to get my NCB back.

So instead of Helphire etc sometimes it pays to speak to the 3rd party insurer.

temporary vehicle after accidents - LucyBC

You have been given a credit hire vehicle. Unfortunately when you took delivery and signed for it you almost certainly agreed to their terms and conditions for offering you the vehicle which means you agreed to pay any costs incurred if liability was found to be against you at a later date.

as to whether that contract is enforceable I am obviously unable to comment without sight of it and more details of the circumstances surrounding the case. You should be aware that you could be successful on the liability issue and still be lumbered with much of the credit hire charge. However you may well have a case against your insurer if they recommended the accident manager and they were acting as an agency on their behalf.

credit hire vehicle charges payable by insurers are capped by the industry -- the rates they will pay are in the HJ FaQ -- but they are still extremely high and if liability goes against the hirer (or partially goes against the hirer) the cost can run to several thousand pounds.

Similarly even if liability is 100% in your favour there is a duty to mitigate costs so you and.or your insurer could be liable for any falsely escalated claim,

accident management and credit hire is not intrinsically wrong - there is a fair and equitable principle in having an equivalent vehicle if an accident was not your fault and in some cases - plated taxi hire for example - it is vital if someone is to continue to earn a living. but the industry has attracted rogues and even seemingly legitimate businesses have become involved in dubious practices.

Watch out for the following indications of possible sharp practice which may leave you with a big bill to pay when the claim is settled:

  • Replacement vehicle hire offered when car is trivially damaged and drivable
  • Repairs seem to be being unreasonably delayed
  • Replacement vehicle is significantly better than that which is damaged
  • credit hire offered when liability is disputed or unclear (a good accident manager will guarantee that they will cover all the costs if liability is found against you provided you have not deceived them as to the circumstances of the accident - this is not the same as the £10 liability insurance policy which leaves the liability with you if -- as often happens -- the policy does not pay out)

examples of dubious practice involve the handing out of a credit hire vehicle to the non-fault hirer on every occasion. Drivers need to be aware that insurers will only cover hire costs when the damaged vehicle is off the road. Insurers will not pay if it is safely drivable save for the period when repairs are actively taking place. Thus if the repair to a vehicle is a scuff to a wheel-arch costing less than £200 to fix and the credit hire comes to £4500 (as occurred in one recent case recently advised to HJ) the non-fault driver will end up picking up the hire tab.

Similarly as the accident management company is usually involved in the provision of both hire and repairs the temptation is to slow down the repair of the vehicle to falsely escalate the hire charges and thus further profit from the incident. again the non--fault driver is at risk of paying the escalated hire bill.

The great irony in credit hire is that as with personal injury claims, while the insurer is happy to complain when they are on the "wrong" side of the claim supporting the at-fault driver but seem happy to take the very high commissions payable when their driver is not at fault.

They have thus been very much complicit in escalating the costs surrounding all accident claims by promoting the use of "their" accident managers when an accident takes place without revealing they are taking a fat bonus for doing so.

The motorist pays in terms of higher premiums in the end (as usual).

temporary vehicle after accidents - Clk Sec

Very informative, Lucybc.

clk Sec

temporary vehicle after accidents - concrete

Thanks LucyB very informative and helpful for the future. I wish that CraigP had been as helpful. Anyway, good news. The other party's insurer has settled the claim out of court and no costs will have to borne by me for any aspect of the case. The point i was making about the credit hire car was that only my insurer knew of the accident, which I reported only 30 mins or so after the event. An hour or so after that I received the call from the credit hire company. I think it was fair of me to assume that my insurer had arranged a replacement vehicle under the terms of the policy and that no cost for this vehicle should be borne by me. I specifically asked for a replacement vehicle clause in my policy because I travel a lot. This accident happened 300 miles from my home so the replacement was essential. Of course with the benefit of an honours degree in hindsight I will never get caught in this situation again. Must have gone to the University as CraigP. Thanks to everyone for your comments.Concrete

temporary vehicle after accidents - Clk Sec

Glad to hear it's resolved to you're satisfaction, Concrete.

Thanks for letting us know.