Same mentality as people who come off motorway slips and then change their minds and swerve back out into lane 1 at the last minute. In most cases, they could simply negotiate the slip road, go straight over the roundabout at the end, and rejoin the motorway at the other side of the junction.
I've sometimes do a "full lap" deliberately of a local roundabout which is notorious for a bunged up left hand approach lane, and an always deserted right hand lane. Approach in the right hand lane, signal right, go all the way round, and use my chosen exit as I would normally. Saves minutes and doesn't inconvenience / endanger / carve up anyone.
Armstrong Sid beat me to it! :-)
Edited by DP on 29/01/2010 at 12:15
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I've sometimes do a "full lap" deliberately of a local roundabout which is notorious for a bunged up left hand approach lane and an always deserted right hand lane.
We had one of those, spoilsports turned it into a flyover!
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I've sometimes do a "full lap" deliberately of a local roundabout which is notorious for a bunged up left hand approach lane and an always deserted right hand lane.
Queue jumping. Booooo. You wouldn't do it in Waitrose/Tescos/Lidl.
If everyone did it, the right lane would be bunged up. There's a lot of traffic on the roads, it would help everyone if we all drove with the same manners and consideration for others we use when we're not in a getaway car and there's a risk of a punch in the face.
Saves minutes
Get out of bed on time. If you're late, it's still no reason to be rude.
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If everyone did it the right lane would be bunged up.
Yes but then the left lane would be emptier and I'd use that one.
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And if everyone did that the left lane would be bunged up, and so it goes.
The lane you need has traffic in it? Big deal. There are other people using the road, some of them are in front of you. Get on with it.
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Oh no , here we go again.....! ;-)
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 29/01/2010 at 13:03
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Another tip for complex large roundabouts - especially those with traffic lights on, or gyratory systems, if you find you're not sure which lane to be in - choose the right-hand one then you can go round the roundabout once or even twice until you're sure which exit you need and which lane you need to get into to take that exit
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The roundabout where the M11 and A120 meet in Essex is a bit like that . 4 or 5 lanes with traffic lights on each branch. You follow the sign written in 12 foot long paint on the tarmac for two thirds of the route only to suddenly find your lane has vanished or can only take you to Colchester when you want to go straight on. You then have to drive it like you stole it to get in front of the cars on your left or otherwise spend half an hour doing the whole darn thing again.
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>> Queue jumping. Booooo. You wouldn't do it in Waitrose/Tescos/Lidl.
'Course I would. If there were two queues in Tesco, one with twenty people waiting and one with two people, I join the shorter queue. I'm still obtaining the same objective as those in the longer queue, just legitimately obtaining it more quickly.
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I'm sorry, but by going round the roundabout you're barging in to the the only legitimate queue. What you have described is perfectly all right in the supermarket but doesn't apply when there's only one queue. If there's only one checkout open, you don't walk round the closed one and approach the cashier from the other direction.
I do, however agree that in the example highlighted in the OP, that if someone has mistakenly taken the right hand lane, then perhps they'd be better off going around than cutting someone, who is in the correct lane, up.
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You NEED a percentage of queue jumpers and general chancers. They refocus the minds of dilly-dally-ers.
Nothing gets a "floater" nailing it to the boards like someone who just jumped the queue.
Sad, but true.
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It's not rude. If I'm standing in a queue in Tesco's and someone walks up to the near empty till next to me and gets served before me, who's fault is that?
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But if you are tenth in the queue and the adjacent till opens, do you rush to it elbowing others out of the way or do you hold back allowing those in front of you to realise what has happened and move over in front of you?
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But if you are tenth in the queue and the adjacent till opens do you rush to it elbowing others out of the way or do you hold back allowing those in front of you to realise what has happened and move over in front of you?
This is a completely different scenario. The right hand lane to the roundabout is already open and empty when I approach. The people in the queue in the left hand lane are aware of this before I am, given they are sitting in the queue already, and are choosing not to use it.
If I approach two supermarket checkouts, one with a queue of ten people and one with a queue of two, I am certainly not going to stand in the queue of ten in case it offends any of those people when I get served quicker by joining the queue of two.
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Groan. They're (choosing to be) in the left lane becasue the highway code says they should be. Why doesn't it apply to you?
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Groan. They're (choosing to be) in the left lane becasue the highway code says they should be. Why doesn't it apply to you?
Do you drive to the letter of the Highway Code?
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Do you drive to the letter of the Highway Code?
Not many can, but the overwhelming majority observe the spirit of it - quite apart from being well-mannered, and having the right of it.
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DP, as I said, you can only use the Tesco analogy if there's only one checkout open (which is actually the case a lot of the time in Lidl and Aldi). You simply wouldn't do it if there's only one checkout queue. It's done in cars becasue the miscreant knows they won't get thumped.
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DP as I said you can only use the Tesco analogy if there's only one checkout open (which is actually the case a lot of the time in Lidl and Aldi). You simply wouldn't do it if there's only one checkout queue. It's done in cars becasue the miscreant knows they won't get thumped.
But that surely is the OP's original point. People who get in a lane to turn right, join the roundabout at the inside lane, then barge their way out before their chosen exit and carve someone up. That would of course annoy me. As would someone driving up the wrong side of the road to jump to the front of a single lane queue. If it's two lanes, and the car approaches the roundabout correctly, negotiates it correctly, and exits it correctly, I genuinely don't see what the big issue is.
Edited by DP on 29/01/2010 at 13:49
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The OP is about people being in the right lane, mistakenly, then barging left. I have said I agree that, under those circumstances, the mistkaen driver may be better advised to go around the roundabout than barge in. For safety reasons more than anything.
What I (and others) object to is those who have been waving the flag for, when there is a queue in the left lane, deliberately using the right lane, going round the roundabout and getting in front of the drivers who have been waiting their turn patiently. Purley to speed their own journey at the expense of others. Which is what you seem to have been saying.
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What I find annoying are those people who seem to think there are no lanes on a roundabout so they're free to wander across at will.
There's a roundabout near where I live - 4 exits, approach on a dual carriageway. First two exits are single lane roads, third is a dual carriageway and the last another single lane - the one I'm aiming for,
So, approach said roundabout in the outside lane, indicating right. Get on the roundabout and what happens? Driver in left lane, heading straight on, decides to pull across in front without indicating. Grrrrrr.....
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DP - can you check your mail ?
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All this waffle about queueing in Tesco is meaningless. Going 270 degrees around a roundabout is quite ill-mannered, and against the HC recommendations, and that's that.
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For simple roundabouts, yes, it makes perfect sense to do 360 degree turn using RH lane.
However, for complex roundabouts with several signals (eg. crossing between M1 end and A406 North Circular Road) making 360 turn will take ages!
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Fol-de-rol.
That's my only contribution to this thread.
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If you are not sure which turn you need it makes much more sense to go round again, or several times, rather than picking an exit that turns out to be wrong.
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Going 270 degrees around a roundabout
I think you mean 450 degrees. Going 270 degrees will only take you ¾ of the way around the roundabout. 90 degrees will be the 1st exit, 180 the 2nd, etc.
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