My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - ifithelps
Pulled into a layby on the way back from Southport.

The main road was clear, but the layby was covered in what I would call 'crunchy slush'.

I got out of the car to get to the boot and did not feel under threat of falling over.

But when I tried to pull away, all I got was wheelspin and chattering from the traction control.

Turned the traction control off, still no good, tried pulling away in a higher gear, tried rocking the car back and forth, all to no avail.

There was so little grip, the nose of the car slid with the camber towards the nearside as the wheels spun.

Only fair to say there was a slight incline, but I don't reckon I'd have got much forward motion on the flat.

The answer was to leave the layby in reverse - onto a main road, in the dark, in poor weather conditions.

I wasn't expecting Caterpillar-like levels of tractions, but the lack of grip surprised me.

My conclusion is that Focus CC3s are rubbish in snow.

How does your car handle wintry conditions?
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - gordonbennet
How does your car handle wintry conditions?


No thanks to my mediocre driving or the cars designs, but very well now you ask, purely down to investment in suitable tyres, if either vehicle was still on summer slicks i'd be in exactly the same boat.

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Altea Ego
The Altea is excelent. Yet to be stuck or troubled by lack of traction, on standard tyres.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Nsar
I've been going up slopes in the Legacy that have had cars sliding all over the place but I'd expect that with 4WD. Just as the snow got bad an ABS ring broke which knocked out the traction control and it made the handling no more than ordinary.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Alby Back
I suppose comparing 2wd vehicles with 4wd ones in severe winter conditions could be seen as an apples and oranges argument but I have very much come to appreciate the extra grip from rest afforded by the Qashqai in recent times. The Mondeo and the Ka are not bad though. The former I suppose helped by the weight of the diesel engine over the driven wheels and the latter paradoxically by its lightness and skinny tyres.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Chad.R
The Mondeo and the Ka are not bad though


Our household is similar - Mondeo TDCI estate and Yaris 1.3. Both of them have been fine in the snow and grip hasn't been an issue on normal tyres.

If anything I prefer the Yaris, as the extra weight of the Mondeo causing it to sometimes feel unstoppable for all the wrong reasons ;-)

The only minus point for the Yaris is that it's smaller wheels/tyres don't mix well with all the newly created potholes - but it's nimble enough to dodge most of them.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Jcoventry
Ford Ka with 13" tyres, some say its "unstoppable" in the snow. Lightweight + small tyres + FWD = good in snow.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - dxp55
Not sure how the Mazda 2 would perform as we haven't had any snow yet - it was forecast for today but it's thrown it down with rain - can't trust anybody these days to get things right.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - rtj70
Original FIAT Panda 4x4 on M+S tyres was pretty unstoppable. A farmer from Anglesey came to buy my step-sons car years ago for quite a high price (for an 90's car). He seemed happy. It was was for his wife and they needed a small 4x4 for her.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - rtj70
My car (Mazda6 with Stability Control) has had ABS confused a few times and also the stability control kick in when the car was losing traction - probably on one side only.

I've only slid once on sheet ice (steered towards kerb and yanked on hand brake and all okay). I had to brake when the 4WD Golf R32 in front of me starting sliding sideways.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - DP
Golf and S60 are both very good. Both FWD, both with well set up ABS, both with engines that will pull the cars off from rest without needing throttle, both with engines that will pull from idle in any of the lower gears.

The only incident I had was when braking on a downhill stretch on sheet ice. The ABS went nuts and the car wouldn't stop. The surface was, however like a skating rink, confirmed when the pedestrian who walked out behind the car immediately fell on his backside.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Big Bad Dave
"My conclusion is that Focus CC3s are rubbish in snow."

I bet your car performs admirably in the snow Ifithelps

You were probably on sheet ice.

I drove down a quiet road yesterday that shocked me even after 6 years of Polish winters. No grip at all under braking or pulling away. It has the most monstrous speed humps I've ever seen anywhere in the world and I imagine the ploughs have avoided it for that reason.

There was a guy in a Micra driving right up my backside and despite several attempts to brake-test him and pull away from him I just couldn't do either. So my conclusion is it's better to be in a super mini in this weather.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Bagpuss
Both my cars are fantastic in snow. Both rwd and fitted with good quality winter tyres. My company car also has a set of snow chains in the boot in case it really gets tough. Not sure any of this would have helped on the inch thick sheet ice covering Manchester last week though, that was frightening.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Nsar
The chains would have been a big help on the ice.
Driving out of Manchester at 10.30pm on the 23rd was character building.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - rtj70
Not sure any of this would have helped on the inch thick sheet ice covering Manchester last
week though, that was frightening.


It was on such ice I slid. Pavements have been lethal too. But just in case, like we're told, I had a shovel (Actually spade) in the boot.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - L'escargot
Pavements have been lethal too.


Well, don't drive on them then!
;-)
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Avant
"Yet to be stuck or troubled by lack of traction, on standard tyres." (AE, above)

That's the point. All my FWD cars have been excellent in snow, until this one. The Octavia is a vRS on 'sporty' tyres (225/40 R18 92Y, for those of a technical persuasion). These tyres are OK when on the move, but I have had the same problem as Ifithelps starting from rest.

I've just got some winter tyres at great expense for the front wheels: all four would be better but not at £150 a tyre. Let's hope for an improvement if the snow comes again.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Altea Ego
Maybe its because the Altea has not much in the way of horsepower, the horsepower it has is very linear, and it has a lot of low down torque.

To get it moving, it only requires slowly feeding in the clutch, no throttle.

I had some small issues in the last lot early in the year, going up a steep hill in ice and snow, and the traction control started to kick in, robbing it of power and momentum. Flicking it out and giving it lots of booty kept it climbing.

Edited by Altea Ego on 29/12/2009 at 18:31

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - timbo0409
I drive a 2007 Smart Fortwo (new model) and I have to pack a change of underwear when it snows - the semi auto box has a mind of its own and you can't select a higher gear when going slowly on ice/snow.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Bagpuss
I've just got some winter tyres at great expense for the front wheels: all four would be better but not
at £150 a tyre. Let's hope for an improvement if the snow comes again.


I know this is 20/20 hindsight, but you'd have been better off buying some 16" steel wheels from eBay and fitting them with 65 profile winter tyres. Loads cheaper and you don't sacrifice the braking ability of your back wheels (which admittedly isn't much on a FWD).
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Manatee
CRV has been excellent of course, given M&S tyres, stability and ABS as well as the extra driven axle when required.

Boy's Panda Dynamic has been surprisingly OK, though it has new tyres. 'Er Civic has stayed at home.

The series Land Rover has been kept at home too - OK for going, not much good at stopping compared with the CRV (or anything, really).
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Pugugly
Agreed with the CRV - no "moments" and in fact some fun.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - bimmer-driver
As expected, my 3-series on 17' wheels is absolutely crap. Better of walking really.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - rtj70
CRV has been excellent of course, given M&S tyres


So Marks and Spencer into tyres making as well know ;-) Or are they M+S tyres?
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Lud
Probably means S&M (with long spikes all round)

:o}
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Alby Back
I can remember seeing tyres with sort of spikey tread patterns years ago. Bit like the skins of passion fruit in appearance but black obviously.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - movilogo
Lightweight + small tyres + FWD = good in snow


My Suzuki Ignis (2WD) worked fine so far (normal tyres). Few times skidded slightly though. But ultimately reached destination. :)
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Old Navy
My car's rubbish in the snow - rubbish, its not the car. :-)
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Manatee
>>So Marks and Spencer into tyres making as well now...?

Yes. You can take them back if they don't fit!
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - FotheringtonThomas
The old Accord is fairly predictable, much better when the antilock brakes were (temporarily) disabled. They're re-enabled now, as where I am now there's no solid water on the road ATM.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Brentus
CRV been ok but not really challenged. The estate where i live has been at times like a sheet of glass. But have driven extremely careful, since turning at the street junction last year and skidding into street sign. touchwood been ok up to now.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - FotheringtonThomas
CRV been ok but not really challenged.


Gosh. Haven't you been out to find somewhere deserted, for a little *fun*?
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Brentus
Well bit of a porky. Lane down to work 800yds or so not gritted very icy.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - FotheringtonThomas
Fun, isn't it! However, for the sake of 800 yards, Crampons and an "emergency flask"might be a good bet.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - perro
My Almera 1.8 auto was reassuring to drive in the snow, but we only had 2 day's of it here in Sunny Cornwall.
No doubt it would have been the same (or worse) in the conditions you experienced iffi.
I've got 2 worn out Yokohama's on the front, and 2 worn out Bridges ar the other end, I was going to stick some new one's on, but I'll wait til spring now so I can wear em in.
All this traction control & ABS etc., makes me larf really and satnaf's :)
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Brentus
Nice one FT
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - L'escargot
But when I tried to pull away all I got was wheelspin and chattering from
the traction control.


You used too much throttle, and perhaps turned the steeering wheel too much. Next time use gentle throttle and start off in a straight line until you're moving.

Edited by L'escargot on 30/12/2009 at 07:25

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - ifithelps
....You used too much throttle....

Yes, although the wheels also spun in second gear at tickover.

As an experiment, I booted it with the traction control on and the car would not rev past 2,000rpm - something to do with the engine management software, presumably.

It was quite a long layby - a stretch of 'old road' I think - and a Fiesta slithered past me while I was marooned.

I could see the driver was struggling to keep going, but he managed it.

My old diesel Focus always felt nose heavy - cast iron block, nothing much at the back.

The CC3 has a lighter engine and more weight - the roof gubbins - at the back.

It feels better balanced, but I reckon this more even weight distribution has made it less able in snow.

I had been away, so there was also a fair bit of luggage in the boot.

Bring back rear wheel drive - couple of bags of spuds in the boot of the Cortina and you could climb a mountain. :)
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - madf
My car is very well behaved in the snow and ice. Can't be the driver.
:-)
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - grumpyscot
CRV managed great in the snow - and didn't think the rear wheel drive cut in. Guy down the street in his BMW X5 didn't fare so well - tyres far too fat to do anything in the snow. neighbour helped pull him out with his Micra! Wish I'd recorded it on my camcorder - could have got £250 from Harry Hill for it!
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - paulb {P}
Bravo actually did pretty well in the snow and ice despite 225/45 17s with summer tread pattern (Bridgestone Potenzas).

Only time it really struggled was on Mon 21st, when it had rained in the night and all the part-melted slush had then re-frozen. I had to get up the hill to my parents' house, which is about 500 yards of 1 in 15 or thereabouts, and which was more or less entirely packed ice.

Took 20 mins and much flashing of lights for ESP and traction control as we crabbed our way up - gradient too steep to move off on clutch alone, despite 225 lbs ft. Hill holder was great - didn't slip backwards once.

Plus we were the only car to make it up the hill - the road at the bottom was almost gridlocked with cars that had got down but couldn't get back up.

This was despite much barracking from B Jr as 4 year-old back seat driver: "It's not working, Daddy!" Patience, child.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - diddy1234
My Rio is terrible in the snow and ice on its original 'hankook' tires.

pulling away even on slush wheel spins with the engine idle in 1st,2nd so I had to use 3rd gear then once moving drop back into 2nd.

stopping is also fun. just touching the brakes locks the rear wheels then the ABS kicks in.

I can't wait until these standard tires are scrubbed to get some Michelins fitted.
I have been told there is a world of difference.

The weight distribution doesn't help when empty either, 800kg over the front wheels and 440kg over the rear wheels.

I believe that BMW are now supplying some of their new cars with Hankook tires.... heaven help us if that is true.
dreadful tires.

The wifes Astra 2.0l Diesel turbo drove over the same roads with no wheel spin at all.
Even had to try hard to get the traction control to come on.

Edited by Webmaster on 31/12/2009 at 02:08

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - L'escargot
The only problem I've had in my 2 litre Mk 1 Focus was getting temporarily stuck on 20th December on a steepish uphill slope in the Lincolnshire Wolds. On the flat it takes all road conditions in its stride.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Mapmaker
Avant>> Got some winter tyres for the FRONT

Avant. With the greatest of all possible respect, you are NUTS! You are driving a car that is stuck to the road at the front end, but the rear end is loose.

Just you wait until the back end overtakes the front.


You think that putting new tyres on the front (but not back) is dangerous; just try making them winter tyres.

There's a good argument you do not comply with construction and use requirements.

Edited by Mapmaker on 30/12/2009 at 11:56

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - movilogo
You fit winter tyres either on all 4 wheels or just don't fit them.

There are many YouTube videos to show what happens if you fit winter tyres only 2 wheels.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - dieseldogg
i cannot figure the sense of moving off in higher gears, I do not, I use the gears quite normally, & I have no difficulty in driving in poor conditions, incl on "sheet ice" recently.
All one does is spin the wheels FASTER therefore inducing more slippage.
now staying in a higher gear once progress is established makes sense, one is generating less torque therefore less likely to break traction and possibly skid.
Cheers
M
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - macavity
....You used too much throttle....


Yes.

To move off engage first gear and ease foot off clutch pedal, do not put foot on accelerator. Let the car do the work (the ECU) will control the revs. If one of the wheels starts to spin then use the brake pedal gently to control the differential / wheel spin to gain traction/ drive through the wheel that is not spinning/ gripping.
Do everything gently.
An off road driving course will explain what the differential does and how to get grip and maintain control.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - macavity
Limited slip differential
You'll notice problems with differentials in certain situations, such as on ice or when off-road. Most vehicles are equipped with open differential, which means the same amount of torque is applied to all the wheels. Traction is one factor that determines how much torque is applied to the wheels - in low traction situations, the amount of torque is limited to the greatest amount that will not cause the wheels to slip. So even if just one wheel has poor traction, the torque will be reduced to all the wheels. Thus, if you give the vehicle more gas when wheels start spinning they will only spin faster - which is bad in icy or off-road conditions.

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Nsar
My father got stuck on some ice on the track leading to our house. V gentle incline but enough on very smooth ice.

I cleared a track on one side but even though he had one drive wheel touching tarmac the opther wheel just span madly and no power was going to the wheel with traction and he went nowhere.

This was a R75 with "snow control" setting on the auto box.

I am puzzled, can anyone explain?
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - corax
The car has a differential that allows the wheels to rotate at slightly different speeds when going round corners, otherwise they would be constantly squealing, as the outer wheel will spin slightly faster than the inner wheel. What you needed was a differential lock, common on four wheel drives. This allows both wheels to rotate at the same speed irrespective of whether one wheel has traction or not, giving you forward momentum.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - gordonbennet
This was a R75 with "snow control" setting on the auto box.
I am puzzled can anyone explain?


About the only thing that would have helped in the sitiuation you describe would have been a limited slip differential, that would have only allowed one wheel to slip slightly more than the other, a normal differential will just leave the spinning wheel free to turn.

If you jack one driven wheel up and whilst in neutral turn that wheel you will find it turns quite freely, if you do that with a limited slip diff it's very hard to turn because of the pre loading built into the design.
I haven't got the strength in my arms to turn the Hilux diff like this, thats limited slip, not a locked diff.

A diff lock as found on some trucks, 4x4's etc will obviously lock the differential solid giving full drive to both wheels, not to be used unless needed in slippery conditions, too easy to wind the transmission up and break something expensive.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - movilogo
This page explains

www.howstuffworks.com/four-wheel-drive.htm/printab...e
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - ifithelps
Used the diff lock on agricultural tractors a couple of times - very effective.

You can't steer because both driven wheels are locked and turning at exactly the same speed.

Works well in a situation where you need that extra bit of traction for a few metres to get through a sticky patch.

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - macavity
Since the torque will take the path of least resistance. Light braking can provide enough resistance on the spinning wheel to prevent it spinning and then get the wheel with traction to move the car.
Some cars, the Citroen Xantia had the hand brake connected to the driving / front wheels to enable some manual diff-lock in snow and mud etc..
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - corax
The audi 90 quattro I used to have had diff locks, manually lockable. I parked in a field with a sloping entrance to go for a walk. When I came back, it was raining, and the field was that horrible sticky clay that sticks to your boots. But I locked the diffs and the car just pulled itself out of the field effortlessly. Very impressive!
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - jbif
My car's rubbish ... >>


It should be in good company with this rubbish car then:
a-popov.livejournal.com/254497.html

Edited by jbif on 30/12/2009 at 17:24

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - PatrickO
www.snow-chains.co.uk/products.asp?deptid=297&u=DH...H

Just bought some good year snow chains. Just type your tyre size in.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Bedhead

Mk2 Mondeo 1.8 Zetec with 215/40/17 tyres on it, drove lovely up some quite steep snowy hills, only a steep hill with thick snow at the bottom defeated it.

Need to turn the T/C off to get moving then hit the switch at about 5 mph and it drives beautifully, seemingly it applies the brake on the spinning wheel and the torque goes to the grippy one.

ABS was a godsend on a slippy downhill that had a few cars heading to the kerb.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - b308
Ifithelps, when we get some snow can I answer your OP?

Until then....
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - AshT
Drove one of the Espaces with the back seats out to pick up some flooring in the snowfall before Christmas - quite an eye-opener as to how bad it is unladen in the snow, and to my driving ability, or lack of.

On the plus side, the flooring centre had a huge empty carpark which hadn't been gritted :)
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - ifithelps
b308,

I'm backing the Maxi with its fwd and narrow tyres to do well.

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Manatee
>>I'm backing the Maxi with its fwd and narrow tyres to do well

You'll want to keep it away from all that salt though...?
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Car
I wonder how much how the clutch reacts effects driving in snow., iI.e does a clutch which is fiece in its action cause a car to be difficult to drive in the snow ?
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - madf
Clutch control is critical when starting in snow and ice. Basically you want as few revs as possible but not to let out the clutch with any jerk or you risk losing traction and sitting there with spinning wheels.

Ideally you feed the clutch in gently and see if the wheels spin: if they do, disengage the clutch and try again...

Of course, if you have no sensitivity to driving and don't know what spinning wheels feel (and sound!) like.. this is all a waste of words.



I learned to drive on snow and ice in a 1955 Austin A30 - no power narrow wheels and winter tyres .. and a 1953 Rover 75: no traction on hard packed snow.


Edited by madf on 31/12/2009 at 10:18

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - macavity
Clutch control is critical when starting in snow and ice. Basically you want as few.....

SQ

Yes driving is a skill.

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 31/12/2009 at 14:31

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - tyro
The Berlingo is pretty good, but then with nice thin 175/70 R 14 wheels, and Gislaved Nordfrosts on all four corners, it ought to be.

I gave it a good testing yesterday, driving 100 miles or so to Inverness Airport, waiting around for a few hours to see if the airport would reopen, and then giving up and driving home. Other then a bit of sliding when cornering on some slushy bits, no problems.

I also had the unusual experience of being thrown out of a 24 Hour Tesco at closing time (6.00 pm on Hogmanay, apparently) and, probably, being the last customer to visit the gents in said shop in 2009 - (when one is about to set off for a long journey across the frozen Highlands, one wants to feel comfortable.)
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - defender
tyro ,how do Nordfrosts compare price wise to michelin for example and are they easy to get hold of ? currently running on nokian w ,another very good tyre and comparable to your nordfrost ,payed £48.60 from mytyres and £5 each to fit and balance = very happy
it was the only place that had any though
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - ForumNeedsModerating
Just had some proper snow to try it out - at last! I must say it (and I) coped very well. It's a RWD Merc c-class, 3 on board - so plenty of weight of driven wheels - put the auto box in (W)inter mode & all was well. It & I put down the power delicately when/where required, saw the ESP flash a few times. Ordinary 'summer' type tyres - although they're due for replacement & not much (above) legal minimum.

Rather enjoyable all in all!

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - injection doc
"Clutch control is critical when starting in snow and ice."
Unless its auto!
My Freelander 2 auto with snow mode & 4WD & HDC has been fantastic & faultless in the snow. Needless to say I have had to tow a few stranded motorists up steep hills!
Doesn't seem to put a foot wrong in the snow & you can floor the accelerator & the electronics do the rest. Grip & acceleration are astonishing & its the first 4x4 that has been as much fun as my old Pandad 4x4. need much more snow & lots deeper to make it real fun! as so far even steep hills have been no challenge.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - tyro
>>tyro ,how do Nordfrosts compare price wise to michelin for example and are they easy to get hold of ?

I order through my local fitter, and since he is in the trade, he seems to be able to get hold of them without too much difficulty. I can't give you exact costs, but they are pretty similar to Michelin Energy.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - M.M
I've read lots of these threads/posts on modern cars in snow and I guess we're mostly thinking the same but here is our experience this winter.

Our newly bought C3 1.4 diesel with its light weight and narrow tyres is a pleasure to drive in snow. Within reason you can go anywhere sensible without problems.

Our Mondeo III Petrol Estate on the other hand is pretty poor... no doubt due to its weight, length and wide low profile tyres.

Sadly the C5 (to replace the Mondeo) has arrived as the snow disapeared so I can't judge if the "Snowmotion" logo engraved down by the gear lever is justified.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Mick Snutz
My Peugeot 406 diesel was just fine in the snow and ice. Getting up any steep incline was easy using just the idle of the engine, same for going down any steep hills.

A neighbour of my dad's gave up using his fancy BMW 3 series in the snow so asked to borrow my dad's car instead, a 16 year old Rover 216 estate!

Bit of a come down for him but at least he was able to get to work!
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Dr Dave
My car is near useless traction-wise in the snow - E90 BMW 330d

Take the old 306 diesel out in the snow, much more suited.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - bimmer-driver
I'm getting a bit miffed. We've had pretty much NO snow on the Staffordshire/Cheshire border. Boo.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - captain chaos
I've not had any problems but a handy tip if you have an auto is to slip it into neutral when braking for a junction
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Old Navy
I'm getting a bit miffed. We've had pretty much NO snow on the Staffordshire/Cheshire border.
Boo.

You are welcome to ours, about 4 inches of snow over ice, or where driven on, an inch of polished ice.

Edited by Old Navy on 03/01/2010 at 13:11

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - badshot
Mines not bad,

For the last two winters I've fitted Vredestein Snowtrac 3 winter tyres, as we head over to the French Alps. We wouln't have made it to our accomodation without them, they almost turn a 2wd into a 4x4!

The've come in useful here too, we got around no problem in the snow of the last two years, regularly helping neighbours off drives in our little 2wd diesel picasso.

More people should use them come the winter, get a cheap set of steel wheels off Ebay and the tyres were only £60 each corner fitted, put em on in Nov and take them off at the end of march, saves on the summer tyres too!

Be careful out there!
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - daveyjp
X type will get going, but having a lot of heavy metal well in front of the driver means it steers like a barge. Once it starts going in a direction it's a devil to correct, even low speed right turns from T junctions can get the front wheels sliding into the kerb.

Aygo is brilliant and we are using that during this bad spell. It predictable in how it handles, feeds back well and being so light if it starts going pear shaped lift off and it sorts itself, it has so little momentum it slows down quickly.

Neither are as bad as friends BMW 320 which couldn't even reverse up the unmade drive to our holiday cottage when it didn't have any snow.

Going down with snow the front wheels provided no steering whatsover as the car was gently "driven" down the drive by releasing the brakes. Turning the wheel simply saw the front wheels slide and the car went straight on. Pretty hairy when there's a sheer 10 foot drop at the bottom of the drive.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - riversider
i've got a mazda 5 sport(2007) and its terrible in the snow.The tyres are ok and the pressures fine but i have got stuck a few times in normal roads with little inclination.My tyres are dunlop sport 2500(205/50R) i am not sure if the cars crap or the tyres are crap but i have little faith driving it in this weather.When i get stuck the wheels spin and the traction control or DSC light comes on,i presume its best left on,i did press it off but it didn't help any.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Jcoventry
You really expect a car with sport spec and sport tyres to be decent in the snow?
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}
After me thinking the Skoda Octavia diesel was good this winter, I came across the wrong kind of Buxtonian snow.
Slushy stuff on a firm base. Just sat there on a slight hill with the wheels spinning - at tickover in first gear. Despite the traction control. Was passed by several locals also with front wheel drive as well- guessing they took a run at the hill.
Booting the loud pedal and getting lots of wheel spin meant I started moving (albeit not in the right direction) and sawing from lock to lock got me moving forwards again. I presume the edges of the tyre were digging in at full lock?

Edited by Glaikit Wee Scunner {P} on 03/01/2010 at 17:34

My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - AndyTheGreat
with little inclination.My tyres are dunlop sport 2500(205/50R) i am not sure if the cars
crap or the tyres are crap but i have little faith driving it in this


Nothing wrong with the car, or the tyres. Just that you have tyres more suited to gripping on tarmac, not snow or ice.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - riversider
cheers andy its just that when a citroen note and a ford fiesta passed me with ease it got me wondering.
My car's rubbish in the snow - how's yours? - barneybear
AshT ( afew days back)
I drive a 2.2 Grande Espace and can say it handles brill in snow and on ice. Took friends to Newcsatle New Years Eve - heavy snowfall on top of ice coming out of the car park up a short, but steep slope. Several cars in front slipped and slided about, most needing a good push and run up to get over the brow. Not so with teh Espace. Gentle away, secong gear, let tick over do the rest, slight slip as we started to move, but happily on our way.
My other car is a Megan EState and that too has handled well in Co Durham with several inches of snow and incresaing thinkness of ice.
BiL's Punto not quite as good, but again, driven carefully managed the ice on our close which has a slight slope to it (about 1:20).
 

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