Well put that man! (was feeling a bit out on a limb there!)
I think most situations where it would be inappropriate or dangerous to use the right hand lane for going straight on ,are usually covered by road markings showing the right lane is for right turnings only.
Where the road isn't marked it tends to be on quieter roundabouts (like the one I was on) where merging isn't a problem.
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Or indeed busier roundabouts, where they sometimes try to mark both lanes clearly for straight on to try and discourage the needless queues... :)
As long as there's room to merge or there's two or more exit lanes, it shouldn't be a problem.
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OK, you've hooked me back in. Oil Burner's post, which you like, is about exits with two lanes specifically. Yours had one lane.
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I'm generally in the Spam camp and agree with his interpretation of Rules 185 and 186 of the Highway Code but personally would use the LH lane unless I knew or reasonably expected there to be two lanes going off the roundabout. Mainly because I try to avoid conflict.
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Well Spam, I don't expect you thought you'd get quite so many responses!
In the example that myself and Stuartli have alluded to (maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocod...u
ndabout+southport&sll=53.627819,-3.006048&sspn=0.01214,0.027423&g=Kew+
Rd,+Southport,+Merseyside+PR8,+United+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Kew,+S
outhport,+Sefton+PR8+6,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.633421,-2.970053&spn=0.00
1517,0.003428&t=h&z=18)
the roundabout is actually marked to say that you can use both lanes if you're approaching from the South (ie the bottom of the map) and wish to go along the A570 Scarisbrick New Road. This exit is at 11 o'clock and therefore not past the 'magic' twelve o'clock.
I wonder if, faced with this stuation, Alanovich would continue to use the left lane despite the road markings, purely because to do so would be entirely out of his comfort zone and enrage his sensibilities? :-)
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Of course not. I've said so several times. Follow the markings when they're there, if there are no markings keep left if turning at 12 or earlier. Exception: where there are no turnings after 12.
Simple, no?
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"keep left if turning at 12 or earlier"
Why does it matter at what number of the clock face the turning is?
I asked this earlier, but didn't get a response.....
If you apprach a roundabout at 6 o'clock and there is an exit at 8 o'clock, another at 9 o'clock, another at 11 o'clcok and another at 3 o'clock
Would you go in the left lane to take the 11 o'clock turning (assuming no road markings)
It's before 12 o'clock, but you'd probably get t-boned at the 9 o'clock exit!
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Assuming no markings, yes. It's how I was taught by my driving instructor, who got me through the test first time. I can not imagine why you would think I'd get "T-boned" by anyone other than a blind person.
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Simply because other traffic coming round the roundabout wanting to exit at 9 o'clock will see you in the left lane and expect you to be turning left. They will not expect you to cut across their bows and continue round to the next exit.
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Highway Code tells you never to start moving until you are *SURE* that your path is clear. To me, that's once any traffic I might hit has either turned or passed me by. However long it takes. If anyone hit me, it's on them. They're the ones doing the worng thing. I don't even turn right out of a junction if the approaching traffic to my right is indicating a left turn into the junction I am exiting. How do I know their indicators arent' bust, or simply haven't been cancelled for whatever reason? Do you rely on other cars' indicators 100%? You sound a very impatient driver, Spam.
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Its not about being impaitent. Its about using the correct lane. Using your method, you could safely negotiate the whole roundabout in the left lane.
Other traffic coming round the roundabout, will expect any cars they see in the left lane to be taking the next exit, not to be continuing round.
I'm certainly not "impatient" and I make as few assumptions as I can, but I think that being in the left hand lane of a roundabout signals your intention to take the next exit.
It sounds like you're the dangerous one in this situation.
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Spam, the first four lines of that are just plain daft. Using that logic, you're saying that you should always enter a roundabout from the right hand lane unless you're taking the first exit. Which ain't right, of course.
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No, I'm saying first or second only. Using it for the third is just plain dangerous!
I wouldn't use the left lane for the second unless I could get past the first exit very quickly.
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I wouldn't use the left lane for the second unless I could get past the first exit very quickly.
I was with you Spam until that last comment..... now I'm worried!
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I have to say, the IAM wouldn't condone that, but then, maybe, just maybe there are some roundabouts where that does make sense, although usually it would be signed so.
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Sorry, let me clarify... if it was a small roundabout, and I'd get past turn one within a few yards, I'd use the left lane.
If it was a large roundabout, and there is a good chance that other traffic on the roundabout might catch me up before I'd got to exit 1, I wouldn't fancy crossing the mouth of exit 1 in the left lane. I'd be much safer in the right lane.
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I think you're just digging a bigger hole! Are you trying to avoid a collision with someone just like you but more assertive?
Edited by old crocks on 06/10/2009 at 16:17
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No. I'm saying that potentially, by the time you get to exit 1, someone else may have caught you up, who's going round the roundabout in the right hand lane. They will not expect you to be passing an exit in the left lane. If you're in the left lane, they will expect you to be taking the next exit. You will then cut across in front of them and cause an accident.
Isn't this obvious!!?
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I understand the risk but they would be at fault.
The fact that you were not indicating left should tell them that you are not taking that exit. And if they are coming from behind you it is up to them to make sure their manoeuvre is safe.
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No, it would be your fault. The fact that you were in the left lane would put you at fault.
Using your logic, why don't you use the left hand lane all the way round?
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You're seriously suggesting that someone can be held responsible for someone else running in to them from behind? Ask your insurance company about that.
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Think about what you're saying. You're in the left lane and passing an exit on a roundabout. Cars in the right lane will assume you're going to turn off. You will then cut in front of them and be hit on your drivers door.
It would be very clearly your fault, as you would be in the wrong lane, and your road positioning would be misleading the driver that hit you.
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You're in the left lane and passing an exit on a roundabout. Cars in the right lane will assume you're going to turn off.
That's not the case for many roundabouts I drive through, where it's not unusual for cars in the left hand lane to (correctly AFAIK) go past an exit.
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Sorry, but that's codswallop.
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Sorry but that's codswallop.
No it isn't. You are welcome to come over to Reading and watch.
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>> Sorry but that's codswallop. No it isn't. You are welcome to come over to Reading and watch.
Hm. The post was:
You're in the left lane and passing an exit on a roundabout. Cars in the right lane will assume you're going to turn off.
Yes, you're right, it's not codswallop, they will - but they (or rather, the drivers) should not.
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>> You're in the left lane and passing an exit on >> a roundabout. Cars in the right lane will assume you're going to turn off. Yes you're right it's not codswallop they will - but they (or rather the drivers) should not.
If I was one of said drivers in right lane, if the left lane driver had just entered the roundabout and wasn't indicating, I would assume they were going straight on (and I would think that was ok).
If they carried on passing exits in the left lane, I would start to assume that they were lost and/or a bad driver.
It can depend on the roundabout - some exits can be classed as 'minor' eg. sometimes you can have a sub-b-road off a roundabout which includes motorway slip roads. You might be more likely to assume a driver in the left lane is going to go past one of those.
Edited by Focus {P} on 06/10/2009 at 18:09
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No it would be your fault. The fact that you were in the left lane would put you at fault. Using your logic why don't you use the left hand lane all the way round?
Because the HC says use the RH lane and indicate Right.
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So regardless of the number of exits before 12 o'clock you'd drive past them all in the left lane?
What is it that magically happens at 12 o'clock?
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So regardless of the number of exits before 12 o'clock you'd drive past them all in the left lane? What is it that magically happens at 12 o'clock?
Not at all!
You were talking about passing Exit 1
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Err no I wasn't. Please read the situation again. In the example I gave, you were going straight ahead at the roundabout (12 o'clock) which was the third turning, which you said you'd do in the left lane.
We're talking about passing exit 2.
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Err no I wasn't. Please read the situation again. In the example I gave you were going straight ahead at the roundabout (12 o'clock) which was the third turning which you said you'd do in the left lane. We're talking about passing exit 2.
Sorry Spam we're confusing two scenarios. I know a lot of people seemed to be against you so I came in to offer some support.
However at 1456 you said " I wouldn't use the left lane for the second unless I could get past the first exit very quickly. "
All my subsequent comments were about passing Exit 1 to leave at Exit 2, all from the lefthand lane.
If a car comes from behind, hasn't seen where I entered the roundabout, hasn't noticed my lack of indication and then hits me as I pass Exit 1 he is entirely to blame. I did everything by the book.
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Sorry I've perhaps confused the issue by bringing in other examples.
Depending on the exact situation I might agree with you, but depending on the size and position of the roundabout, if you got side swiped while passing exit 1, this could well be because you pulled out in front of the car coming round the roundabout.
Also..... if he's coming from the right and you're just emerging from your entry point, how would he see the status of your left indicator?
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Also..... if he's coming from the right and you're just emerging from your entry point how would he see the status of your left indicator?
If he can't see then he should make safe assumption, not the one that suits him.
Anyway after an hour and a half talking at cross purposes I need to go and do something else.
I'm off to see The Zombies tonight, hope I don't see too many on the road!
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Are you trying to avoid a collision with someone just like you but more assertive?
He's had a "discussion" wth his better half. Now proof is necessary, but not forthcoming. So - yup.
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I'd say I've got at least as many people on my side, with this discussion.
As previously stated, I'm actually not worried if I'm wrong, I'd just like to know if I am or not.
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I'd say I've got at least as many people on my side with this discussion.
What you say seems to be irrelevant.
As previously stated I'm actually not worried if I'm wrong I'd just like to know if I am or not.
You are, and keep on proving it.
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I make as few assumptions as I can but I think that being in the left hand lane of a roundabout signals your intention to take the next exit.
For one who makes few assumptions, that one's a singularly bad one to make.
It sounds like you're the dangerous one in this situation.
Don't be silly.
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Driving across roundabout exits in the left lane isn't dangerous.....?
Are you serious?
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I make as few assumptions as I can but I think that being in the left hand lane of a roundabout signals your intention to take the next exit.
For one who makes few assumptions, that one's a singularly bad one to make.
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>>It's before 12 o'clock, but you'd probably get t-boned at the 9 o'clock exit!>>
That's why you indicate you are turning right throughout the earlier junctions until just before the "11 o'clock" exit.
That way drivers on your inside lane of the roundabout and those waiting to come out of approaching junctions are aware of your intentions.
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That's why you indicate you are turning right throughout the earlier junctions until just before the "11 o'clock" exit.
That way drivers on your inside lane of the roundabout and those waiting to come out of approaching junctions are aware of your intentions.
Pardon?? You approach a roundabout in the left lane, signal right and then go straight on? How is that anything but confusing and dangerous? It certainly doesn't feature in any version of the HC from the last 30 years.
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How is that anything but confusing and dangerous? >>
I was, in fact, referring to the Kew roundabout (a perfect circle) because, as I keep stating, the exits are very close to each other..:-)
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Unfortunately FotheringtonThomas's link is out of date compared to the present day markings.
Badwolf {P} point is a very good one (I use the outside lane of what are, in fact, three approach lanes (!) at this particular junction and move onto the "inside" lane of the roundabout, indicating I'm going to go left just before the exit into Scarisbrick New Road prior to joining Meols Cop Road. This is because, in this case, it's more than half way round the roundabout to my exit.
Much of the reason for the sheer chaos that arises, especially in the summer when so many visitors arrive by car who are new to the area and the wonder that is Kew roundabout, is that there are too many retail outlets and businesses in the immediate vicinity, including one of the UK's busiest Tesco Extra outlets.
By the way, Badwolf {P}, haven't you heard of TinyURL? ..:-)
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By the way Badwolf {P} haven't you heard of TinyURL? ..:-)
Indeed I have, I just had a blonde moment! :-)
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You're on a dual carriageway and you're approaching an island where you want to go straight on. There are 6 cars waiting in the LH lane none in the RH lane. There are no signs on the roundabout indicating that you *must* use the LH lane or *cannot* use the RH lane for straight on and the roundabout itself looks plenty big enough for two or more cars to go round safely. You know the roundabout and are aware that their are 2 exits on the other side for straight on.
Use either lane. Note, this is a quite different question from the original one.
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Quite so, FT. Preciseamundo, in fact.
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Sorry, Alanovich, I was trying to edit my earlier post when you replied to it.
The roundabout I am talking about can be seen here: tinyurl.com/yemrpvo
I take your point about not using the outside lane at the throat of the junction to go straight on if there are no arrows to tell you that you can. However, there are also no markings to tell you that you can't! If I don't know the area, and there are no markings and a large queue of traffic on the left I will always use the right lane to go straight ahead. There is nothing in law telling me that I cannot do this. I understand what you are saying about a potential collision, but surely you are being a tad over-dramatic saying that such a collision could result in a charge of dangerous or careless driving?
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It's the same link and equally out of date...:-)
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D'oh! I thought that, actually, when I saw the hatchings on the outside of the roundabout rather than on the inside where they are now. And still I posted the link! Definitely having a 'hard of thinking' day today!
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Ok, so now adjust my scenario a little.
Instead of two exit lanes, now think of it as having one wide exit lane, specifically designed to allow space and time for cars to merge.
Is it really so different?
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I'm not trying to discuss your hypotheticals, OB. I'm addressing the original question in which I believe the OP was wrong in executing this manoeuvre as described, particualrly as he was not familiar with the roundabout.
So the width of the exit is neither here nor there, the OP clearly stated he had no sight of the 12 o'clock exit and yet still chose the potentially more dangerous method to negotiate the roundabout. I think that's pretty clear.
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We weren't there sadly. We don't know whether the horn was blown out of spite for so-called queue jumping or because spam cut in dangerously.
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, because on paper, I'd say their manoeuvre was not dangerous, if carried out sensibly. And that's referring to the original question, which I think my hypothetical is very relevant to, if you follow the logic through, IMHO.
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Yes, please also bear in mind that the original question was a hypothetical, based on the real incident. I used in my example, the two cars arriving at the exit together, simply to establish the who has right of way question.
In the actual incident, I arrived at the junction a very safe distance in front of the other car. He was actually accelerating very hard to try and "get me back" as he'd been stuck behind other traffic turning left.
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>>Is it really so different?>>
Yes, because as I've mentioned previously, the distance between each junction is remarkably small in view of the size of the roundabout.
The only way to learn of the stress of using this roundabout at busy times (most of the day) is to experience it for yourself.
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The only way to learn of the stress of using this roundabout at busy times (most of the day) is to experience it for yourself.
That's a fair point, some roundabouts are different and blindly following the rules won't work, especially when they're busy.
I agree with you on that.
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I can remember my first (proper) driving lesson very vividly. It was a dull, foggy day and my instructor picked me up from outside the Sixth Form College on Scarisbrick New Road and then gleefully informed me thatI would be negotiating Kew roundabout. Sink or swim! :-)
[i]{EDIT - I swam!}[/i]
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Oh 'eck - help! Mods, I thought I'd done the italics thingy right?
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>>..and then gleefully informed me..>>
That's masochistic beyond belief....
Incidentally at least one of my other half's friends, who has been driving for many years, will not go within 100 yards of Kew roundabout under any circumstances.
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>>..and then gleefully informed me..>> That's masochistic beyond belief....
But it worked. Gave me the confidence to tackle the infernal thing. SWMBO will happily drive round it, though I tend to keep my fingers crossed and my eyes tightly closed when she does.... :-)
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It exemplifies bad road congestion
Caused by maniacs, mimsers and chancers,
When a guy asks a roundabout question
And gets hundreds of roundabout answers.
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It exemplifies bad road congestion Caused by maniacs mimsers and chancers When a guy asks a roundabout question And gets hundreds of roundabout answers.
That should be last word but it won't be so I'll add one more post to congratulate you.
I chuckled out loud.
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Blimey, over 150 posts! Didn't know it was so contentious!
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It should all really end round about now...:-)
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It isn't, the OP seems to've descended into trolling.
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Sorry you think that, I would say I've been trying to put forward my point of view and provoke discussion. You don't seem to be offering a defence to my arguments to convince me. I guess we've done it to death now, and we'll never agree.
I still say I'm right, and the Highway Code says its ok (as long as its appropriate)
In summary, I never said it was the correct thing to do in all cases, and neither does the highway code. You seem to think that it is never ok to use the right hand lane, but you can't back that up with any facts.
I'm happy to carry on with the way I'm driving, as I'm sure you are.
If you're done with this thread, please feel free to stop posting. I have no wish to upset anyone with this thread, but as I started it, I feel its my place to defend my position.
There are plenty of other threads on this forum if you don't like this one.
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Spam, you shouldn't have done what you did in your original question because, as you said yourself, you couldn't see the opposite side of the roundabout. Given your obscured view, you should have taken the more cautious approach of entering the roundabout in the left lane, even if that meant joining a queue to do so. Using the right and hoping you could merge safely at the other side was slightly reckless as you didn't know you would be able to safely merge. I think that's the crux of the matter, and no amount of pontificating about other hypothetical scenarios will change that.
I am prepared to concede that, given the input from Oil Burner around the IAM's position, it may be sometimes OK to use the right lane to enter a roundabout to get to 12 o'clock (or the "straight ahead" exit, whatever you want to call it) when the road layout and weight of traffic combine to make it safe to merge when you get there, but the general rule is surely to use the left when you don't know what will face you at the exit. And in the example of your original question, that's what you should have done. The Highway Code does seem not to cover every situation precisely, it's only a code after all, but using the general principles of road use and common sense, you should have used the left.
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Well, we will just have to agree to disagree, I was there, and deemed it to be a perfectly safe move, which it was, as I merged correctly. The other driver was irritated, but not because I cut him up, as I was a long way away from him. He was annoyed that he had queued and I had not. He was accelerating as hard as he could, but I correctly judged that he wouldn't even get close. If he'd had a more powerful car, he probably would have made it, and I'd have simply adjusted my speed to go in behind him.
At all times, I was aware of his speed and position, and had an escape route if things hadn't gone to plan. The other driver was well aware of my intentions as I indicated left by exit 1. It was actually his lack of tolerance that caused the situation to become aggressive.
I'm quite sure if the authorities deemed my move to be dangerous on this particular roundabout, they would have painted an arrow for right turn only in the right hand lane.
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The problem is not with how you merged (as you have described it anyway, two sides to every story and all that), it is the decision you took to take the "racing" line when you could not see beyond the roundabout. You were lucky that the situation turned out to be one in which you could merge safely, and did so. It could easily have been otherwise. You assumed. Have you never heard: "Never assume, it makes an ass of u and me"?
Your interpretation of the other drivers feelings is purely speculation, and anyway, his emotions are irrelevant to the main point, which is that, I think, in the situation as you outlined it, you made the wrong call but got lucky. So I still think your judgement was wrong.
You say you indicated left by exit 1 - perhaps this is what upset the other driver, as this makes it sound like you indicated to turn for exit 1, but then took exit 2. Did you word that badly? If you'd entered the roundabout in the RH lane and indicated left by exit 1 (which can only mean before it), then no wonder someone got a bit upset.
If you are so sure of your rectitude, I wonder why you asked the question in the first place? And why do you keep telling us you're prepared to be proven wrong when it appears you are not prepared to accept a differing view?
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It's not a "racing line". You could actually go through the roundabout quicker from the left hand lane, as its a straighter line.
I made no assumptions, I was happy that I could merge, and I did. There was no luck about it.
When I say "by exit 1" I do of course mean as I passed it, rather than before it. My road positioning and indication made my intentions very clear.
If the other driver had observed the highway code, he would have noted that
"In all cases watch out for and give plenty of room to
traffic crossing in front of you on the roundabout, especially vehicles intending to leave by the next exit "
I asked the question in the first place, as clearly the other driver was irritated, and my wife questioned the fact that I'd used the RH lane. Before posting on here, I asked a numer of friends on their opinion, and I think probably 8/10 agreed with me, but a couple didn't. I thought it would be interesting to open up the debate to a larger number of people to get a general view, and (as expected) we've found a similar situation on here.
I am indeed prepared to be proved wrong, (something you haven't done yet) I wouldn't have asked the question if I wanted to live in ignorance.
You have already now admitted that there are times when it is acceptable, not because you understand why, but because you think the IAM endorse it. So maybe this thread had taught you something, as you would not accept that earlier. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that in many ways we actually agree with each other now!
It would be interesting to get the opinions of more people on this, as the thread has now unfortunately regressed into a tit for tat argument, rather than trying to establish how we actually make the decision on using the right hand lane (or not). I know there are a lot of people out there that agree with me.
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I made no assumptions I was happy that I could merge and I did. There was no luck about it.
Really? How did you know you would be able to merge safely, when you couldn't see the exit for the trees on the roundabout?
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The same way I merge with traffic in a situation where two lanes merge into one. By making a judgement on the speed and direction of other traffic, and altering my speed to be able to merge safely. Its not a difficult skill! Merging with another lane is something you are required to do often.
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I didn't ask you how you merged safely.
I asked how you knew you would be able to merge safely, before opting for the right hand lane. As you didn't know (because you couldn't see that far), you took a risk you didn't need to take, but one you wanted to take, simply to avoid a queue. Not a good approach. You keep evading and failing to answer this most pertinent question. What you did is like overtaking on the brow of a hill, or on a blind bend. You went past another vehicle without knowing whether you'd be able to safely get back in front of it as you couldn't see where you were going.
Seems to me you are simply trying to justify risk taking on the grounds of not wanting to queue with other motorists who were behaving properly.
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"What you did is like overtaking on the brow of a hill, or on a blind bend."
What an awful analogy! Overtaking on the brow of a hill, or a blind bend is dangerous because you don't know what's coming the other way. With the situation we are talking about, all the traffic is moving in the same direction.
Even if for some reason I did misjudge it, which is unlikely, but possible, I have the contingency of continuing round the roundabout. I've never had to do this, but the option is there.
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You didn't know what was around the corner either. Traffic coming the other way is unlikely, but have you never heard of pedestrians? You might have had to brake for one crossing your exit, and adjust your course leading to a collision. Or you might just have run them over.
Answer the question. How did you know you would be able to merge safely when you couldn't see where you were going?
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I think you're clutching at straws now. You could apply that logic to a huge number of situations where a pedestrian steps out, and you have to alter your speed or course.
In the right hand lane I have the contingency plan of continuing round. Where's yours in the left hand lane?
Would the guy in the left lane know he could take his exit safely before he joined the roundabout? Of course not!
I don't need to be able to see the whole roundabout to make a judgement about which lane I select.
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And I think you must be Peter Mandelson. Can't answer a simple question.
You may have ended up in a situation where you were competing with another car for the exit, if that driver had foolishly decided to match your speed, thus making it less likely that you would use your contingency and go around, or at least making it difficult for you to do so.
Would the guy in the left lane know he could take his exit safely before he joined the roundabout? He is as sure as he can be, you were not as you put yourself in an overtaking situation without knowing the lie of the road around the bend.
You chose a less safe option than was available to you for negotiating a roundabout around or across which you could not see. I make that a mistake. That's that. If you disagree, there's not much more I can say.
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Ok, I'll answer the question.
No I didn't know 100% for sure I could merge safely. The guy in the left lane also didn't know 100% for sure he could merge safely, or that someone from exit 1 wouldn't pull out in front of him. He may come round the corner to find that the exit is completely blocked, there are dozens of things that MIGHT happen.
As for the left lane being the safer option, I think that is debatable, depending on circumstance. As previously stated, the right lane gives you a somewhere to go if something unexpected happens.
Using your logic, if all roundabouts had a single lane it would make them safer, so why aren't they designed this way?
Like it or not, there is an element of risk to driving, and one has to make some assumptions.
For example, if you're driving at the national speed limit along a straight piece of road, and you see a car ahead waiting at a junction, how do you know he won't pull out? You can slow down a bit, and watch his head movements, etc, and make a judgement about if he's seen you or not, but you don't KNOW he won't pull out. The only safe option is to slow down and let him pull out? Do you do this? Of course not!
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So it comes down to our differing perceptions of risk.
Fair enough for answering the question. I believe one should mitigate as much risk as is possible on the roads. I don't think you did that in your original question, you think you did. Traffic would indeed grind to a halt in many of the other situations you describe if everyone were overly cautious.
We should perhaps agree to disagree on the merits/demerits of what you did on that roundabout. Agreed?
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Agreed!
So we can agree on something! :-)
Its been an interesting debate! Take it easy round those roundabouts!
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I think I've seen you two guys in a Beckett play... Was it the one with two characters standing in dustbins, or waiting for Godot, or endlessly tossing coins...? I see two grey-bearded prisoners chained in a dungeon, an old pair of leather motoring goggles & string-backed gloves visible in the half-light, bickering about the Highway Code... as a number board ticks round to - 200!
But well done chaps, I have Spam ahead on points, but it's close.
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Watch out, Eddie, or you'll be replacing him in my dungeon!
And the beard's still ginger, for the time being.............
:-)
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I agree Lud, I was just going to say that they have gone round it circles on this one and might be best placed to take an exit ...
... of course making sure that they indicate and that no one is cutting up the inside/steaming down the outside (delete as applicable) before they manoeuvre.
;-)
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By the way, this is the link to one of Sefton Council's efforts to try and improve road safety on this particular roundabout:
tinyurl.com/ydcr8xj
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Yes, those handbags have had a right old workout, haven't they? :-)
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If you are leaving by any exit after 12 o'clock then it's the RH lane.
Now this will come as a surprise to many, but nowhere does the Highway Code confer an *absolute * right of way on anybody, anywhere.
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Wow
201 replies, is this a record? since mebe=newbe
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Why does the missis accuse me of always trying to have the last word
Edited by dieseldogg on 07/10/2009 at 16:48
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Ahh. But you haven't had the last word! :-)
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If you are leaving by any exit after 12 o'clock then it's the RH lane. Now this will come as a surprise to many but nowhere does the Highway Code confer an *absolute * right of way on anybody anywhere.
Only just spotted this one! I can't let that go! :-)
*absolute* right of way......? What about a give way sign? I think there are a lot of situations where you have right of way.
Also, there is nothing in the highway code about this 12 o'clock right hand lane rule that a lot of people seem to believe in!
What if the first exit is at, or beyond 12 o'clock, and there are two lanes?
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What if the first exit is at or beyond 12 o'clock and there are two lanes?
For example exiting the M4 westbound at junction 8/9 the only exits are at 3 o'clock and 4 o'clock.
3 lanes at top of slip road marked as lanes 1 & 2 for A404M and lane 3 for A308M.
(you still get muppets who get it wrong and cut across, or push in from the wrong lane)
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SPAM,
Will you stop now. I think we've had enough. The whole thread's going around in circles. You've made your point, some agree, many disagree. Give it a rest.
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The whole thread's going around in circles.
It's quite apt that the discussion is about roundabouts then ;o)
Time to turn off into a Cul De Sac and park up though I think.
Thread locked.
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 07/10/2009 at 20:04
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