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Oh no ! 'Ere we go again!
Edited by Webmaster on 17/04/2009 at 11:14
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So your saying that information captured by these ANPR cameras is not stored ?
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So your saying that information captured by these ANPR cameras is not stored ?
The point being made was that I now expected lots of hysterical ranting because the dreaded ANPR had been mentioned. (A subject I think has been done to death on here)
You've proved the point admirably.
Crack on old bean, I prefer to talk about cars.
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>> So your saying that information captured by these ANPR cameras is not stored ? Crack on old bean I prefer to talk about cars.
ANPR camera's record vehicle (car) reg numbers, so talking about the camera's is talking about cars.
I take it you cant answer the question?
I am fairly sure that the general public wouldnt like the answer anyway.......
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Oh no! 'Ere we go again!
Well for the benefit of us all can you tell us what they are used for, or does the OSA gag you ?
Edited by Webmaster on 17/04/2009 at 11:14
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We have had these "Movement monitoring" camaras in my area for over a year, all access routes to nearby airport, (even little used emergency access roads). Also on Forth, Tay, and Kincardine bridge choke points, and many others on motorways and main roads.
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Thanks for the replies everyone. In theory, not that I would ever make the effort to do so, could you apply under the DPA or FOI regs to release the data held on you (via your vehicle reg no.) as you can with other CCTV systems? DB
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With normal CCTV systems in public places, I believe there legally needs to be a sign close by which clearly displays the contact details of the system operator, and the purpose of the installation.
Does this not apply to CCTV based traffic / offence monitoring systems as well?
I have no issue with cameras per se, but I believe their purpose should always be made clear. In the op's case, he'll struggle to apply for anything when the purpose and owner of the cameras isn't made clear.
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I have just been "Oop North" and visited a large caravan park where an ANPR camera logs all vehicles in and out and there is a sign to say what is hapening and why. The camera is on a post about 3 feet high and has an optical 'flat' about A5 size which is presumably to protect the lens from the weather
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I'm reminded of the old "I'm sorry, I'll read that again" sketch - Four ? !
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I have just been "Oop North" and visited a large caravan park where an ANPR camera logs all vehicles in and out and there is a sign to say what is hapening and why. The camera is on a post about 3 feet high and has an optical 'flat' about A5 size which is presumably to protect the lens from the weather
There is one in our local Co-op, "oop North" ;-), which logs you as you come in, and then automitically fines you for spending more than two hours in the store (there is no other reason to park in the carpark ie Mcdonalds etc)
My Sister was there for 2hrs 15min (for whatever reason) and got a fine through the post (IIRC)
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We have various cameras in Nottingham indeed some look just like SPECS but are not in pairs so can't be being used for speed monitoring as there is no second set up the road. The system was called 'Ring of Steel' during it's planning. It is to gather intelligence about the movement of the masses and store it for goodness knows how many years (always seems to be under perpetual renegotiation). It was recently used to crack down on 100+ left wing reds/protesters. The system could see VRNs marked with the same flag converging on an area, and the Police alerted and were sent to smash them before any protest could be made.
Edited by Webmaster on 18/04/2009 at 03:51
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Same in the Oakham Tesco. Parking in the town is almost all Pay & Display; Tesco is free and very central so they don't want you staying there over 2 hours. Their sign says that the Penalty Charge proceeds go to Charity which seems very fair.
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Stevenage has had these camera for the past 3 years.
Most are mounted half way up a lamp post on every entrance into the town.
Some are even convieniently on a lamp post that happens to be just behind a sign (not seen until too late).
I was told that these are used to check for MOT, Road Tax and Insurance on each car.
The police must be so busy these days what with paper work and fast food drive through dinners that they dont have time to sit in their ANPR cars and check them selfs !
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You'll have a job to get data from Police ANPR cameras - they enjoy exemptions and PIIs from DPA and FOI.
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The requirement for "safety" cameras to be clearly identified(some painted yellow)was removed late last year.
Edited by jc2 on 17/04/2009 at 20:04
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My Sister was there for 2hrs 15min (for whatever reason) and got a fine through the post (IIRC)
Tell her to ignore it.
On private land, where parking is enforced by private contractors, parking a car is a contract between the land owner and the DRIVER. The enforcement company will only know the registered keeper of the car, and they cannot prove that the keeper was the driver. They may threaten Court action but it is just hot air.
Edited by boxsterboy on 17/04/2009 at 23:02
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On private land, where parking is enforced by private contractors .. >>
see
www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/item.htm?id=6033
"DVLA To Stop Giving Driver Details To Cowboy Parking Enforcement Gangs "
and link from there
www.britishparking.co.uk/page.php?id=81
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Quote:...""I have a deep distrust about any sort of cameras so stick to the limit when passing these just in case. ""
So you're sort-of saying you would be driving faster if the cameras weren't there?
As for deep distrust, I think speed cameras are generally pretty trustworthy, i.e. if you're breaking the limit, you'll get snapped.
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SS. Yeah - right! tinyurl.com/daykbv
Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 18/04/2009 at 12:51
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Don't you know... ANPR is foolproof, speed cameras never lie, the motorist deserves all they get.
Don't even bother looking at todays front page on the Telegraph.
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It's the ' near schools " bit I find interesting. Most schools are only open from 8.30am to 3.30pm so why the need for a 24 hour mph restriction ?
Also, what counts as a residential area ? Just about every road in our towns I would have thought. Why not reduce the limit to 10mph and save even more lives ?
3,000 deaths a year includes the joy riders of stolen cars, the drunks, the idiot pedestrian who steps into the road with out thinking. If only we could get preventable NHS hospital deaths down to 3,000 a year. Now that would be something worth pursuing.
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The days when there was only the caretaker left on school premises after 3.31pm are long gone.
Facilities are used by pupils and adults into the early evening and, from what I can gather, at weekends, too.
I'm not supporting even lower limits outside schools.
But it would be wrong to assume there's no one coming or going outside teaching hours.
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Do you ever have anything good/nice/pleasant/positive to say about anything or anybody, Mr X? You refer to"idiot pedestrians" for example. We are all pedestrians at some point during the day. Have you never, ever made a mistake in your life? Have you never inadvertantly done something you wished you hadn't? Have you never, just once, had six things on your mind and stepped off the pavement without doing your green cross code and thought to yourself...Crikey, that was lucky, I shouldn't have done that!! ? I, like everyone, have periods when life doesn't look too rosy - but reading your posts gives me one important reason for optimism.... I'm not you ...or married to you. So keep on posting...you're good for my morale. :-)
Edited by KB. on 18/04/2009 at 14:29
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So nothing constructive to add to the debate then ?
Definition of ' idiot pedestrian " One who presses the button on a pelican crossing and then proceeds to cross against the lights. One who waits until your bonnet is level with them and then turns sharply from their straight a head walking position and crosses in front of you on a 40mph dual carr. One who lays on the road , just around the corner on a sharp bend, at 2 am in the morning following a row with his girlfriend and is run over and killed. ( Happened just half a mile from my place two years ago.) Of course he was added to that magical 3,000 figure
and therefor is being used as part of the argument for 20 mph limits everywhere.
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Just spent quarter of an hour composing a reply and the phone went and got logged out...so lost patience......so, sorry, Mr X....nothing to add to the debate - carry on without me, I'm sure you'll manage.
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Mr X is so abrasive and tabloid-rightist (consciously and satirically so I sometimes suspect) that one can't help feeling sour about a lot of his posts. But he isn't always wrong.
There are indeed idiot pedestrians; drunks and stoned teenagers who walk into moving vehicles, etc. The 'road death toll' will not be much lowered by reducing speed limits. It is already very low by world standards (fatalities per vehicle mile).
The government is said to be 'concerned' about road safety but 'reluctant to antagonise motorists'. Tee hee! Agonise about it, carphounds!
Still, it's an ill wind that blows no one any good. Camera-protected 20mph limits will at least be a nice little earner.
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Speed needs reducing outside schools and parks. But the blanket reduction muted is down right wrong. Sledgehammer to crack at nut. It is the pedestrians that need to be made aware, to cross roads sensibly and use their wits. This skill has gradually erroded over time hence the blase attitude many people have now. How many times have we had groups of youngsters walk out forcing us to stop so they can snail trail across a road with little consideration or even thanks.
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Spood, in the village where I work, there are coachloads of schoolchildren aged 7-10 which come from Croydon to "see an English village". Having chatted briefly to one of the teachers, it's apparent that some of these children have never been outside Croydon.
Anyway, your point about snail-trailing is spot on. Although the village is pretty, it's situated right on the A25 which is near a busy M25 junction, so the traffic is often heavy.
What some of these teachers do, is simply walk directly in front of traffic with their arm extended and brows raised as if to say "I have children here, so you'll stop now". I can see from my desk that many times motorists have only just avoided killing the teacher - which, of course, is followed by a loud remonstration from the teacher towards the "offending" motorist who sits, bewildred as to why a sentient being would encourage children to cross a road right in front of oncoming traffic.
Another statistic near where I live will include the sad case of the woman on a bicycle, cycling home from a pub visit, drunk, who rode straight into an oncoming transit van, whose driver (who was witnessed travelling within the speed limit and on his side of the road) recently hanged himself. The former is a road statisic while the latter is not.
I think we need to ask what level of road death is acceptable in an island inhabited by 60 million people and 30 million cars. 3000 sounds quite low to me - tragic though any death is - if we reduce the speed limits to 10 mph, we'd save more lives than increasing the prevalence of 20mph limits.
Stand still, that's what everyone needs to do to be safe.
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Additionally, this afternoon, I was returning home in my town doing approx. 30 in a 30 zone.
Behind me was a Vauxhall Zafira - but on my bumper. After the speed camera, she aggressively overtook (this is in a built up residential area) to reveal the "Child on Board" diamond yellow badge in her rear screen.
Now, I prevented her from being flashed by the machine, but I suffered for the priviledge. And the speed camera did not capture her dangerous overtaking afterwards. When you really analyse these things, they're useless one-trick metal ponies.
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theres a new forward facing speed camera on the A1 north bound, not shown on my tom tom up to date speed camera warning system
after driving for hours at just over 70 who decided the road was empty, good conditions, and safe for a faster journey and put his foot down the other day to drive straight into this?
if it had been a camera that took photo from behind i would have had been able to brake easily down to 70
so im looking forward to being hammered with points and a fine for absolutely no unsafe behaviour and sum total no contribution to law and order in this country
what an absolutely stupid country we live in, we should be doing what they do to these in the states and just shooting the things to oblivion
so much government and policing without the consent of the people now it feels like orwell was so right
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There was a speed camera at the end of the M62 at the Liverpool end. It was erected and a 50-mph speed limit put in place following 3 fatal accidents. One drunk driver, one stolen car with 4 aboard and one foreign driver with no documents and his mate.
It appears to have ' caught fire " this last week. Another 3 deaths that formed the magic 3,000 and who would have ignored a speed camera if it had been there before their shinanagins.
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On the A1 Northbound where please? I use it a lot but it is about 300 miles long!
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I bet he means the one dropping down the hill at Grantham north bound AS, but it's been there years and just looks new with the roundabout being removed.
Oakham...........where many years ago I was rebuked strongly by a motorbike copper for riding an Aerial Leader, dressed in a yellow Kaftan!
Peace Man:)
Why did I move to the Fen?
Pat
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speaking of the A1, Specs speed cameras are being assembled near Hatfield ( Hertfordshire ) .
Possible road works through the Hatfield tunnel on both sides of the motorway
Sorry for the thread drift.
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I bet he means the one dropping down the hill at Grantham north bound AS but it's been there years and just looks new with the roundabout being removed.
>>>>>>>>> ive just gone by this ,im sure it was a truvelo?
cant say ive seen it before
oh and i miss my old roundabout near newark ,i used to call in top the oil up on my old austin 1300 as it used to flash on the dash seeing as i used to thrash the thing from london in the 70"s, i used to be the fastest car on the old road (today i was the slowest :-( )
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Camera-protected 20mph limits will at least be a nice little earner.
Too right, Lud.
A 20mph zone has been introduced to a very wide residential road near my work. It has one '20mph' red circle sign at entry that is almost impossible to see because it is high up on a post, above your line of sight at a junction (where one is naturally focusing on other cars and pedestrians...). There are no repeater signs and nothing whatsoever to differentiate the road from a traditional 30 mph zone.
I can see the council rubbing there hands with joy once the cameras are installed.
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I know of a six lane 30 mph dual carriageway where the police would set up two speed traps a mile apart. The second was always the most busy!
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six lane
dual carriegeway?
are you on the pop ;-0
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six lane dual carriegeway? are you on the pop ;-0
Ok 3 each way, spellcheck = carriageway. A bit early for sun over yardarm.
Edited by Old Navy on 20/04/2009 at 14:46
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DVD may drop in with the legal eagle's view. A road with street lights every 110(?) yards is automatically a 30 limit unless an alternative is posted, SFAIK. Thus a 20 limit would need repeater signs otherwise it would be,and could be treated as, a 30
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All 20 limits are really 30 limits (speedometer 40).
When passing primary schools at chucking out time, accelerate and lean on your horn just to be on the safe side.
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Dont forget to swerve around the abandoned 4x4s and to dodge the unsignaled U turns.
Not that school run mums are substandard drivers, just unpredictable.
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