Dangerous advice in new car handbook - retgwte
ok so I've finally got round to rtfm for my new car

nice owners handbook I got with the car explains in great detail how to rotate the wheels in various sequences to even out the tyre wear

EXCEPT!

its got unidirectional tyres on it, and these little rotations would have the tyres quickly pointing in the wrong direction and err not to put too fine a point on it DANGEROUS

now in our ever so health and safety conscious world should I care?

can I assume anyone bothered enough to move their wheels around will know that unidirectional tyres must stay on the same side and can therefore only be moved front to back and back to front on the same side?

are there going to be any folk misled and ending up with tyres pointing the wrong way?

is the handling and braking really unsafe if these tyres are used pointing the wrong way? please don't ask me to test it

anyway I've put the handbook away probably never to be looked at again

Edited by Pugugly on 08/03/2009 at 23:28

Dangerous advice in new car handbook - retgwte
just out of interest are they illegal on the wrong side of the car?

not that im planning to try it

Dangerous advice in new car handbook - moonshine {P}
just out of interest are they illegal on the wrong side of the car?
not that im planning to try it


Its certainly an MOT fail.
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - moonshine {P}

Those likely to rotate their tyres are also likely to be clued up enough to know about directional tyres. Those with less knowledge of cars may ask a garage to rotate them. The worry would be the small number of clueless but willing to have a go type. At least the MOT would pick this up.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - As I told many years ago by the owner of local engineering firm after having to very sheepisly ask for a motorcycle crank to be re-aligned/balanced after I stupidly tightened the crankcases together without having ensured that the crank ends were fully pulled into the housing with the crank nuts. Even more annoying was that I knew better and I kicked myself for ages for being so dumb.

Rebuilding 2 stroke MC engines after rebores and new big ends - those were they days!
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - L'escargot
Doesn't the hand book qualify whether the instructions apply to all types of tyre or not?
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - retgwte
nope
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - bathtub tom
I've sometimes wondered how Westfields/Caterhams etc. cope with one spare that's obviously unidirectional.

Perhaps they assume the nearside's more likely to be punctured?
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - retgwte
my spare is a space saver which could go on either side so dont have that problem

im beginning to think they are actually legal going backwards

although i dont know

Dangerous advice in new car handbook - jbif
Use of directional tyre on wrong side, advice by Dunlop quoted here:
www.www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=66...e

The AA says thsi:
www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/safety/directional-a...l
"If fitted the wrong way round, the tyre won't be dangerous, but you won't gain any of the benefits of a directional tyre.
Incorrect fitting of both asymmetric and directional tyres is a reason for MOT failure too.
Some very high performance cars have directional and asymmetric tyres ? these have to be fitted the right way round on the wheel and on the correct side of the vehicle. "

Edited by jbif on 09/03/2009 at 09:58

Dangerous advice in new car handbook - Mapmaker
>>im beginning to think they are actually legal going backwards

My guess (NB - guess) would be that they're as legal as space saver tyres. i.e. emergency use only, for 50 miles at 50mph (or whatever it is).

Dangerous advice in new car handbook - Bagpuss
I've had various cars with unidirectional tyres and different tyre sizes front and back. Some even had different wheel widths front and back. Theoretically you would need 4 spare tyres. In practice there was either a space saver, a can of foam, or the tyres were runflats.

I'm drifting completely off topic here, but I'm sure I remember a derivative of the Citroen CX that had different wheel diameters front to back.
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - 832ark
I believe also that the Honda NSX has different diameters front to back
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - Lud
Citroen CX that had different wheel diameters front to back.

There was one Bagpuss, a top model with I think a 2.4 litre engine. The front tyres were bigger than the back ones (and asymmetric too I think).

French motorway police, I think in Lyon, used to have special CXs bored out to about 3 litres and tweaked. They could do 230 kph.
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - CGNorwich
Thought most manufacturers no longer recommeded rotating wheels. Haven't done this myself for years. What manufacturer/car is it?
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - retgwte
suzuki
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - FotheringtonThomas
Have you told the manufacturers, or their agents, about this?
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - retgwte
no
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - jbif
no >>


Seems you are being a very good citizen, doing the best for your fellow citizens [ just like the Police whose work you mention in your posts at any given opportunity! ] ;-)

Dangerous advice in new car handbook - FotheringtonThomas
Well, see what they say about it - there's a possibility it's a real oversight and they might address the issue.
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - retgwte
dont be too hard on me ive only just found out

Dangerous advice in new car handbook - FotheringtonThomas
I'm not trying to "be hard on you" at all! It's just a suggestion that you let 'em know, that's all!
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - miata
It is necessary to rotate wheels/tyres on all wheel drive vehicles to even out tyre wear.

Also replace all four tyres at same time.

This prevents "wind up" of the transmission and possible damage.

I am missing the problem if rotated front to rear and vica versa on the same side of vehicle the fact the tyre is uni directional doesnt matter still rotating same direction.

Thats what my handbook advises anyway and if it didnt i would rotate front to back etc same side anyway.

Seems like a simple solution and common sense approach.

Or have i missed something?
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - retgwte
yep simple solution but its not what the handbook says which recommends diagonal swaps etc

Dangerous advice in new car handbook - miata
Apprecate that but tyre has the big arrow on like assymetric tyres have inside/outside stamped on so obviously these need to be adhered to.
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - adverse camber
can you clarify are the tyres directional or just asymetric?

Directional tyres always have a direction of rotation marking (or at least all the ones I've seen have) and asymetrics have an 'outside' marking. Anyone swapping tyres around ought to see the markings.
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - retgwte
both directional and asymetric but ill double check later

Dangerous advice in new car handbook - Brit_in_Germany
can a tyre fitter not rotate them as per the handbook?
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - retgwte
yep im sure you could take the tyre off each wheel and rotate it 180 degrees and refit if thats what you mean

no mention of that in handbook, and stretching the limits of credibility

Dangerous advice in new car handbook - Sofa Spud
....makes mental note next time looking at secondhand cars - don't buy wone with unidirectional tyres!
Dangerous advice in new car handbook - Dynamic Dave
Be it Asymmetric or Directional, treat as a temporary spare if incorrectly fitted.

www.dunloptyres.co.uk/ourTyres/car/technicalInform.../

But you should only notice a difference in performance in the wet anyway.