>>with a few extras including a sunroof.Aircon is all very well but there's nothing to compare with having the refreshing increased airflow through the car which a tilted-open sunroof gives.
thanks for your corroboration and support in this matter. Couldn't agree more.
I am very surprised, almost shocked by the reaction of one or two of my close friends who view my plight with a certain amount of disbelief and think I am stupid almost ignorant.
Comments abound such as "there are plenty of new cars around." "Don't be so fussy - be more flexible with your choice within the VW range". "There are field of cars out there. I've seen them on the TV". And so on and so on. One or two of them have never ordered and specified new cars and have had ex demos, or whatever has been available from stock and so I don't know really how to argue to point with them.
SInce 1988 I have had new cars and bar one have had to have factory orders and have waited variously from about 8 weeks to 10 weeks.
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hi
bit off but
a few years ago two chaps at work had similar spec sierra's, both with sunroofs. one hot sunny day, one had gone down to the carpark earlier in the afternoon to open his sunroof fully. later, coming out of work the second chap noted the first's car sunroof wide open and says to the him, your car's the same as mine how come my sunroof does not open fully, to which the first chap replied try winding the handle the other way.
he had the car three years and never tried it the other way or read the manual.
the same chap also belived a calender he had was right when somehow it had december 24 marked as christmas day, boy did he take some convincing it wasn't
some things you couldn't make up
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This is good news. Every time I come close to breaking my promise to never buy another VW (Scirocco and Golf GTi) a post comes along on here reminding me why I really shouldn't do it. I'd wait this long for an Aston but certainly not a runaround hatch like that.
And, yes, virtually every car I've ever bought has beem new so I know about the warm feeling you get. But 20 odd weeks is seriously taking the mick - it's not even a "specialist" Golf like a GTi where you could possibly argue might take longer.
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>>...... But 20 odd weeks is seriously taking the mick -it's not even a "specialist" Golf like a GTi where you could possibly argue might take longer.
What should I do then. Cancel the order? I'd have to start all over again and perhaps choose a new Ford Focus and of course specify a sunroof option with all that implies.
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Oldgit - apparently there are similar delays for Skoda buyers due to the popularity of the 1.4TSi engine.
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Oldgit - apparently there are similar delays for Skoda buyers due to the popularity of the 1.4TSi engine.
To add insult to injury and agony to this wait, I have now been told that my new Golf, rather than being scheduled for build, in week 23 has now become week 31 and the garage have told me that I might as well let them hold the car for a Sept 1st registration plate.
In all, assuming everything goes to plan, I will have waited 6 months for that ****** car! Thankfully I don't do a high mileage in my current Golf and my p/x price is fixed but nothing would suprise me.
I am very disappointed both with VW and to some extent with my main dealer although the latter's hands are tied I would think.
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I'll just chat to myself on this topic as it no longer seems to attract any comments but at least it'll keep it on the first page of topics and near the top of the list.
However I had spoken too soon, it seems, as this morning, I received a phone call from VW at Milton Keynes informing me that the build week of my car has, indeed, been brought forward now to week 27 which is at the end of this month.
We have a result and If I have the choice of having the car about a month or more before the Sept. 1st reg. plate change then I know what I'll do - have the car toute de suite with an 09 plate.
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I am interested. The other day, when moaning about the Hyundais rusty exhaust, SWMBO said why don't you get yourself a Golf.
If the 1.4 turbo engine gets decent mpg I may not even need to consider a carcinogenic diesel.
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Me too!
Been following with interest, especially as I have just ordered one.
Asked about delivery date and was informed the garage will know Monday or Tuesday next week. I'm hoping for a September delivery but will have to see.
Anyone know if I can refuse a date of say for example 22nd August as I'd rather wait for a 59 plate.
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No idea but I once got a lease car the last week of August! Weeks before it was due. Not that it affected me money wise being a company car.
I'd have thought you can specify a date. When I got the Mazda6 they would not bring the date forward despite problems with the Mondeo. So when I got a date I put it back until my holiday as there was no point getting a car just before a trip abroad. Partly on principle and partly on not wanting a brand new car on the drive undriven.
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I am interested. If the 1.4 turbo engine gets decent mpg I may not even need to consider a carcinogenic diesel.
Well, I have owned a Golf MK 5 for four and a half years now and that has a 1.6 FSI petrol engine and with my driving habits/style my petrol consumption over the last 25k miles, has been 42 mpg and that is based on spreadsheet calcs. using filling to the brim etc. These results are very close to the onboard computer's assessment at each fill up. The new 1.4 TSI engine is even more economical - apparently.
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Thank Angela Merkel and the success of the German scrappage scheme (aka vote bibery scheme) for the long wait.
Edited by brum on 05/06/2009 at 23:50
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Looking at replacement company cars at the moment and one of the possibles was a Golf 1.4 TSI 122 SE in 5 door manual guise.
VW called me yesterday and the sales lady advised me that the UK has now had all its build allocation for this year for that engine and if I did order one in the next couple of weeks,it wouldn't be built till the early part of next year.
This delay,she said,didn't apply to any other engine fitted to the Mk 6 Golf. She also said that VW had been caught by surprise with the level of interest in this engine.
Interesting stuff.... especially when we're in a recession.
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This delay she said didn't apply to any other engine fitted to the Mk 6 Golf. She also said that VW had been caught by surprise with the level of interest in this engine. Interesting stuff.... especially when we're in a recession.
I'm surprised to read that because IMO a blind man could see that this kind of car would sell well, especially in the current climate as people move down to smaller engines.
Maybe their numbers _were_ recession adjusted? In a good year they may have forecast X thousand sales, so in the recession they've forecast fewer sales and been caught out by the strong demand.
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There seems to have been some kind of production problem that has severely restricted supply of the 122PS 1.4TSI engine pretty much ever since it was introduced. It would be interesting to find out what exactly is wrong and why they haven't resolved it yet.
I'm particularly interested because I'd quite like my next car to have it!
Edited by Typ 8L on 10/07/2009 at 16:36
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I think that might be part of the problem Typ 8L!
Virtually everyone I know who is knowledgeable about cars and is thinking about buying a SEAT/Skoda/Volkswagen/Audi is thinking about getting the TSI engine, especially in the 122PS guise.
If I was in the market for a new car, I'd be thinking about it as well!
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Well you might be interested to know that finally, my car has been built and is currently awaiting shipment, from Emden, presumably and so I should have it in a week or three.
I hope that this interminable wait has been worth it and it comes with those optional extras I specified and especially that sunroof, which appparently causes extra delays.
By the time I take delivery it will have been 5 months since ordering it in February.
My dealer also told me about people ordering cars like mine, will now be subjected to a an even longer wait i.e. March 2010!!
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There seems to have been some kind of production problem that has severely restricted supply of the 122PS 1.4TSI engine pretty much ever since it was introduced. It would be interesting to find out what exactly is wrong and why they haven't resolved it yet.
Perhaps the probuction problem isn't a design problem but a logistics problem. VW forecast X thousand engines, the part supplier plans to make X thousand sub-assemblies or parts. Then VW need twice as many due to higher demand than forecast and the supplier can't deliver, so the line has to stop.
I'd think this is more likely than some assembly problem that was only found when the car went into volume production, those sort of problems are easily weeded out in pre-production.
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oldgit - glad to hear your car is finally on it's way. I hope it comes as ordered and I look forward to your initial impressions etc.
Pat
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I have had mine nearly two weeks now...............and I am loving it. For the first time ever, I find a reason to get into the car and go for a drive. I need a packet of mints, there is a shop 30 miles away. There are also 500 shops before 30 miles, but I'd rather drive the 30, if you get my drift.
I can marvel at how quiet the 1.4 is when I drive in sedate manner, letting it change up smoothly to 7th on the DSG, waft over drain covers and potholes without dirturbing its equanimity whilst playing eine kleine nachtmusik. Or I can tear it up a bit on good twisty Essex lanes, gunning it round long benign bends to Lenny Kravitz . You don't need the gti at all, the TSI SE 122 is more than enough.
Joining dual carriageway and accelerating from, say 45, to max permissable is a joy. The sheer grunt and get up and go from this engine is astonishing.
Being 6'3" I need leg room. I can stretch my left leg absolutely straight to left of footbrake. Coming from the C4 Picasso, that is absolute heaven and worth half the price of the car alone!
I have had a couple of issues with low speed creeping with the DSG, especially when parallel parking, or similar intricate manouvre, but I think it is me that needs to adapt. I forgive small irritating foibles.
Having said all the above, it may just be that I am detoxing from the sponge on wheels I previously owned, and some of the joy might wear off....but I don't think so.
Golly, I enjoy motoring again. Fetch my baggy trousers Mildred.
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Excellent report, tack. This car/engine combo intrigues me, and as a confirmed dieselhead that's saying something. SWBO's A4 diesel is almost 9 years old now and though it's a great car it'll need replacing soon .... could be tempted!
Keep the reports coming you Mk6 1.4 122 owners.
Cheers
Pat
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It'll be interesting to hear from owvers of 1.4 TSI 168 bhp cars as well. As someone was saying on another thread (I think the diesel v. petrol one) a turbo petrol engine appears to have low-down torque comparable to a turbodiesel. Someone with more engineering knowledge than I have may care to explain why that should be.
If this engine can provide the tractability of a good diesel, decent economy and long-term reliability with the noise/vibration/harshness, it could be the way forward for many of us. Presumably those mated to a 6-speed gearbox are reasonably relaxed at motorway speeds?
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I have had mine nearly two weeks now...............and I am loving it................
I'm glad you are pleased with you MK 6. However, I'll be going from, what is still a somewhat 'young' low mileage 4½ yr old MK 5 and so the differences, if any, won't be so great. I would hope that there is a decrease if tyre noise/road noise. although I have read nothing about this aspect.
I think that the road holding, suspension of the MK 5 is excellent but the multilink suspension on the MK 6 was simplified to reduce manufacturing costs. In fact all round the car was supposed to be cheaper to make and yet costs considerably more to buy.
The best purchase last year, had one been able to get them, would have been the Golf Match with the 1.4TSI engine as this was superb value for money but alas it was discontinued or withdrawn almost as soon as it was introduced.
I'm still not convinced by the shape of the MK 6 with those rather incongruous door handles and lack of contrasting trim but I'll expect I'll get used to mine. At least I shall have a sunroof to break up that large roof area.
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Much as I said I'd never buy another VW after 2 awful Mark 4s I have finally succumbed and bought a Mark 6 GTi. And to really annoy you oldgit I ordered it on May 28th and I got a phone call last week to say it had arrived on the 8th July. I take delivery of it on Saturday (the 18th).
It's not a standard car but it doesn't have many options on. I ordered the 18 inch alloys (which I suspect the huge majority of customers will do) as an extra and also convenience pack and cruise control. It's also a metallic.
I was quoted 10-12 weeks so was expecting it sometime in August to take delivery as a 59 plate on September 1st so I was gobsmacked when it arrived. The dealer was too to be fair!!! So maybe it is the sunroof issue that is making yours take so long.
Alternatively, it could be a very new and random phenomenon - something German not being efficient and done to logic!!!!
By the way, bearing in mind my fall out with VW and subsequent return to them I will post later as to what the car and the ownership experience is like. The buying experience so far has been very good with an excellent salesman so fingers crossed I've got a good 'un this time.
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Much as I said I'd never buy another VW after 2 awful Mark 4s I have finally succumbed and bought a Mark 6 GTi. And to really annoy you oldgit I ordered it on May 28th and I got a phone call last week to say it had arrived on the 8th July. I take delivery of it on Saturday (the 18th).
The delay, it has generally been accepted, is that the 1.4 TSI engine has been in short supply due to the hight demand and that is why myself and others have had to wait a long time and of course the sunroof option has added further weeks (2/3 perhaps).
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The delay it has generally been accepted is that the 1.4 TSI engine has been in short supply due to the hight demand
When will manufacturers get their forecasting right? I seem to recall something similar with supply shortages of the Ford / PSA 1.6 diesel engine in its early days holding up orders of Volvos, Fords, Peugeots and Citroens.
This platform / component sharing is all well and good, but these manufacturers really should be able to forecast demand more accurately than the current method which seems to keep paying customers waiting months.
Good luck finally getting your car, oldgit. Hope it's not too much longer.
I think the mkVI is a handsome beast. I never liked the gawky nose of the mkV, but the VI is sleek and elegant. Lovely looking car.
Cheers
DP
Edited by DP on 13/07/2009 at 15:47
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The delay, it has generally been accepted, is that the 1.4 TSI engine has been in short supply due to the hight demand
The 1.4 TSI was surely intended from the start to be a high-volume product, replacing the 1.6 FSI in a variety of mainstream models. Back in February 2008, What Car? reported that VW had stopped taking orders for 1.4 TSI cars due to a "component shortage". It seems, a year and a half later, they still haven't sorted this out.
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Perhaps the probuction problem isn't a design problem but a logistics problem. VW forecast X thousand engines the part supplier plans to make X thousand sub-assemblies or parts. Then VW need twice as many due to higher demand than forecast and the supplier can't deliver so the line has to stop.
Yes, that may be the case, but I'd hope these kind of problems would be mitigated by second-sourcing the offending component from another supplier.
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