just read this is in HJ's test of new Sirocco:
"it has a worse than usual DSG delay on take off. I found it bogging down. I couldn?t just press the accelerator and take off and this was terrifying at the first roundabout I tried to pull onto. So, naturally, I had to work out how to make it work.
But whatever I did, if I tried to accelerate from standstill, I either got horrible wheelspin or the whole thing bogged down. Even revving against the brakes, initially it would bog down, so I?d press a bit harder, then the wheels would spin. I found it really difficult to pull away smoothly and reasonably quickly in this car."
I've got an A3 2.0 tdi and love it, except for those too frequent delays in pick-up. Why, oh why cannot a company like VAG put a brilliant 'box like dsg (or whatever they're calling it now) into their cars without sorting out this "feature" (I prefer to call it a fault). Pulling out at junctions is frequently dangerous!
Wonder if anyone fm VAG reads this site? Has anyone had any reply from VAG tech people re the problem?
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I've never drive a petrol DSG so can't comment on the Scirocco, but the DSG clutch system does have inbuilt self protection.
Floor it and it won't play ball in order to prevent the clutches burning out, if you do floor it, when it does eventually take off you just end up chewing the front tryes. For rapid take offs apply a small amount of power to get the car rolling, then apply as much as you like.
If pulling out at junction is dangerous you shouldn't be pulling out.
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Does it do the usual VAG thing of cutting the power when the brake pedal is pressed, so you can't even spool it up while holding in on the brake?
I drove an auto diesel Mondeo a few yrs ago, and that was the only way to get onto fast flowing roundabouts etc.
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"the brake pedal is pressed, so you can't even spool it up while holding in on the brake?"
A left-foot braker?
Slip into "S" mode - no problems.
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No it doesn't cut power. The handbook even gives full instructions on how to do a flying start which involves this technique.
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Any "robotic" gearbox will display this fault because ultimately any automated manual system must also be set up to protect itself. This is why I dislike DSG gearbox cars, great once moving, lousy to nip into gaps in traffic. It's better with some engines and worse with others it has to be said. Engines with a lot of low end torque e.g. 2.0T FSI or 2.0 TDI tend to bog more than those with less (despite having more torque overall the 3.2vr6 has less at low rpm). This is the natural tendency of the gearbox in order to protect the clutches. Whether a VAG or a Ford or anyone else's dual clutch manual it will always be an issue. The programmable allowances of slip must never expose the maker to high numbers of failures from abusive drivers.
If you do a google for "DSG Delay" you can find many threads including responses on the issue. The basic line we gave customers when I was working at a dealer was a dressed up "Well they all do that, sir". If you reset the computer it can make the problem seemingly get less, but that only lasts a few thousand miles until you acclimatise again.
What I can't understand is why the motoring press in general love the DSG box so. Yes it's great on the track or anywhere that you're flicking rapidly up and down gears. In the world most of us spend our time it's a pain in the backside. Give me a proper auto (even a CVT is better) or let me do the gears myself...
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