I kind of know the answer to this one but hope there is another way.
My tax expires on 31/08/2008 but I'm picking up the mini on the 01/09/2008. I really don't want to fork out £125 for the sake of a few hours and get 5 months back worth of tax from the DVLA for the sake of a few hours use on the 1st month!
Mini MAIN dealer tells me not to bother and risk it. Thought that was quite irresponsible?
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Your new car could be taxed for up to 7 days before 01/9/2008, still leaving the renewal date as 31/8/2009, so you could pick it up before 01/09/2008.
Edited by L'escargot on 26/07/2008 at 10:11
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Your new car could be taxed for up to 7 days before 01/9/2008, still leaving the renewal date as 31/8/2009, so you could pick it up before 01/09/2008.
Unless you are renewing VED then it only starts on the 1st of the month.
There are too many ANPR cameras about nowadays. Have a day off work and get some jobs done around the house or use a cab for the day.
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Well, on more than one occasion I've bought new cars which were taxed 7 days before the start of the first tax year/disc. The dealer arranged it and (I think) I paid pro rata for the extra 7 days tax.
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Could you book your old car for a MOT test at the dealer, it's legal to drive with no tax to a prebooked test.
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Your new car could be taxed for up to 7 days before 01/9/2008 still leaving the renewal date as 31/8/2009 so you could pick it up before 01/09/2008.
I assumed the date of the new car being 01/09 indicated it was a new car on a '58 plate, so picking it up early wouldn't be an option.
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Drop the old one off a day early and if you need a car for the 24 hours, hire one or see if the dealer can loan you something.
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Your new car could be taxed for up to 7 days before 01/9/2008 still leaving the renewal date as 31/8/2009 so you could pick it up before 01/09/2008.
I'm guessing this is a new car, therefore 58 reg, which starts 1st Sept.
I did have a company car delivered once with 12mths plus 1 week tax, but I wonder if that could be done in the registration change months as the vehicles registration would be invalid until 1st Sept?
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Take the 1st off as holiday. Drop the old car off on the 31st and do without a car until you pick up your mini on the 1st. Easy :-)
Is there a good reason why the swap over can't be done on the 31st instead?
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Well, on more than one occasion I've bought new cars which were taxed 7 days before the start of the first tax year/disc. The dealer arranged it and (I think) I paid pro rata for the extra 7 days tax.
The same for me, - the dealer can tax for a prorata amount over and above the 12 month period. Not sure about the granularity of the pro rata amount tho'.
pmh
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I have just reread OP (and too late to edit my previous post). I doubt if the dealer can forward date the Tax over the beginning of a new Tax 'year', altho it may be worth asking.
pmh
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I'm quite surprised that the dealer is so unhelpful, the easy answer is that they come and pick your old car up on the morning using trade plates, giving you a lift to the garage at the same time to pick up your new car. They don't need the old car to be taxed when they have access to trade plates!
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Live dangerously - drive there on the 1st with your tax expired by 1 day.
I once bought a pint after closing time. They haven't come for me yet.
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>>I once bought a pint after closing time. They haven't come for me yet.
We're watching you ;>)
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>>I once bought a pint after closing time. They haven't come for me yet. We're watching you
never a truer word said in jest, its on the cards...
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Assume you car insurance is valid for the trip.
That would be the overriding issue for me.
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Ah!! what to do!! I am indeed picking up the mini on a 58 plate so can't pick it up a day earlier (unless the dealer can do the change at midnight!!). My current car is only 2 years old so no point in an MOT either unfortunately!
I really wouldn't want to risk getting caught with no valid tax either, dealer is only 20 mns away but still!
I don't know if nearer the time the dealer could be more helpful but I had thought that considering the amount of people with the same problem they would have a system in place to avoid you driving illegally???
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(unless the dealer can do the change at midnight!!)
That used to be quite common. Well before my driving days, but the annual plate change was a big occasion and many dealers would open at midnight to let its customers be the first on the road with the new letter.
I gather that with two changes a year, and many people not understanding the letters, it just doesn't happen anymore.
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Sony - Read my post above, there is a system in place, the dealer drives to your house with trade plates, sticks them on your (now) untaxed car, drives you and your old car back to the garage and the deal is completed there whereupon you drive off in your new legal motor.
Alternatively, it can be done the day before, you drive to the dealers in your old car, complete the deal, they drive the 58 plate car to your house with you in it on trade plates (perfectly legal to drive a 58 plate car on trade plates before September 1st) and your car is then on your driveway, you may then drive it from midnight onwards. In fact, this option is sometimes preferred by the dealer as it gets rid of a handover so there's less work to do on plate change day.
I remember my dad got his 1995 M reg 3 Series delivered about 2 days before the plate became legal and just kept it in the garage (driveway is also legal) and drove around in our old Uno for a while.
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Take a chance, live a little on the wild side.
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as said earlier book an mot at the dealer. the mot doesn't have to be due for you to take it to a test, just let the dealer know you won't be actually having the test just get him to write the details in the work book for the day.
or if you know the area well so now the average anpr setup then chance it, i probably would.
chris
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as said earlier book an mot at the dealer. the mot doesn't have to be due for you to take it to a test just let the dealer know you won't be actually having the test just get him to write the details in the work book for the day.
Why? The dealership has trade plates to sort this out.
Either chance it (I would) or get them to sort it out for you with trade plates.
Booking MOTs etc. is a complete and utter waste of everyone's time. The service desk are not going to be happy at having their tester's time taken up (whilst the timewasting job is booked they can't free up the slot for someone else) just to save the sales staff a journey with a set of trade plates. All they have to do is chuck one on the dash and one on the parcel shelf and that's it, road legal.
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.......and is it not against the law?
Vera 94 Schedule 2 states:
A vehicle is an exempt vehicle when it is being used solely for the purpose of?
(a) submitting it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) for a compulsory test.
What is bening banded above does not comply.
Further, if it is entered on Garage records as a test and not carried out they are not going to like this as it could be false accounting.
Back in your cells you criminal minded lot...
I have heard about addiction but one day without the use of a car......pheewwwww.
dvd
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I'd chance it, as I have done in the past under similar circumstances. It's only a small fine at the end of the day, and if it's only out by one day the police might use their discretion when you explain the circumstances.
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Since many trade plates are used in a horizontal position on th the dash, driving past an ANPR camera will still result in a 'hit'. By the time a letter comes thro you will no longer be the legal owner, the garage will probably have to respond............
an opportunity for confusion, and a lawyer to earn their keep!
Do ANPR cameras keep a pictorial image of the alleged offence that can be used to identify the driver?
pmh
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Well the choice would seem to be:
1) Risk driving for 20 minutes without tax, and if stopped claim 'I was on the way to the Post Office!'
2) Pay £125 for 6 months tax, knowing that in a few weeks you'll get around £104 back.
3) Leave your part exchange at the dealer the night before and get a bus, taxi or lift for the journey to your house and back.
As you are not happy with the 'risk it' method, I suggest your choice of (2) or (3) whichever is most convenient.
Best regards,
astrabob.
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Sony, if everyone was as honest as you the world would be a much nicer place.
My first choice would be to deliver the car on 31 st and get someone to give me a lift home, and back on 1 st.
My second choice: You say the garage is only 20 minutes away. If this is a built up area it may not be too far to walk? Or do you have busses?
Third choice: Drive there on 1 st. You sure would be desperately unlucky if you were caught.
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Doubt whether the DVLA will bother with you. SORN it and post the letter when you get back. If you're stopped DVLA won't authorise seizure if you're stopped by the Police. As Aretas says if you're risk averse take it there the night before. As an aside just read a book on the battle of Crécy today - lucky our forefathers weren't averse to a bit of risk !
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This thread is an amazing minefield of Heath Robinson ways around the so called problem, I really am gobsmacked!
Tell the garage that they need to collect the car from your house using trade plates. This is extremely common, they're probably just trying to save themselves a job by asking you to risk driving in. I had to do this several times for my customers and I have even on one occasion done the handover the day before the plate was legal in order that they had their shiny new car for midnight (and rid of their old'un before tax was up), it's not difficult!
I personally would just chance driving in, but, if I felt the chances of getting caught were more than slight, I would be demanding the collection, that's why you're buying from a main dealer and not a pile 'em high supermarket, demand a little service!
MOT bookings, buses, taxis, paying for 6 months more tax? What are people smoking?
Blue
P.S. Sorry if I seem a little wound up, but I feel as though I'm in the corner of the room shouting the answer and no one has even heard!
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Well, I wouldn't bother taxing it! And I drive a car with flashy lights on the top.
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Many thanks for all your advice, much appreciated. Do the DVLA not automatically fine you if you haven't taxed your vehicle before the due date?
As anyone noticed I just need to stop worrying?!!
Either I'll risk it or ask dealer to pick it up. I do think a system should be in place for this sort of situation though, 1 day/week tax disk maybe??
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Make sure you fill out the proper bit on the V5 about selling it to the garage.
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Sony
Have you never, never, never driven at 31mph in a 30mph limit area. And if you have were you apprehended?
The chances of being pulled up for an out of date VED in the circumstances you describe would be about he same.
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I'm with MLC on this.
Edited by Fullchat on 27/07/2008 at 01:21
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Sounds to me like I need to live on the wild side ;)
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My vote just drive it, I wouldn't think twice. The police are sensible people, at least the ones I've met - I can't see anyone being too bothered.
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I've driven quite a few taxing old vehicles in my time, and they haven't always been taxed either.
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Except a camera might spot him, fine him and nobody to explain too.
I too remember the days of a plate change when cars transported to my brother's house the day before. Cannot they do that the day before if off road?
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In the old days there were unofficial days of grace - about a week after the expiry date - when you wouldn't be penalised for an out-of-date tax disc.
I still don't think you'd get done for being only one day out-of-date.
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DVLA are unlikely to take action, especially if the V5 documentation is sent in correctly and promptly.
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>>Since many trade plates are used in a horizontal position on th the dash,
And (AFAIK) the ANPR would be quite correct to do you for this. My understanding is that trade plates only licence the bit of the car between the front and back trade plates. If placed on the dash, the front 6 feet of car are untaxed, and thus a fine is due.
Would somebody please tell me that this is urban myth?
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I'm not sure whether it's techinically true or not, but I can remember being stopped by a traffic car during a test drive with one hanging on the tailgate and one plate lying on the dash and they didn't so much as pass comment on it.
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I keep a folding bicycle to take cars to / from servicing ... if you cars can take it , why not ?
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I'd be inclined to risk it, however just use the car for taking you to the dealership. If your conscience just can't cope with the worry, tax it for £125 or whatever, and demand the dealership who said "just risk it" give you back £125 and keep the tax to cash in themselves later.
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If placed on the dash, the front 6 feet of car are untaxed, and thus a fine is due
So, if first trade plate in car one and then there are 2 cars in between and last trade plate is in car four, it means all cars in between are taxed ?
:o)
the easy answer is that they come and pick your old car up on the morning using trade plates, giving you a lift to the garage at the same time to pick up your new car
Most practical advice. Why the dealer is not willing to do that?
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