A country road which I use regularly has, for no obvious reason been changed from NSL (60 mph) to 50 mph, with 2 sections of 40 mph, one on a sharp bend and one on a blind brow. The 50 mph section has a sign at the beginning and then nothing for over a mile, until it briefly becomes a 40, and than back to 50 with no sign for another 1 mile. Bearing in mind that other 60 mph roads join and there are no signs to warn people, is this shortage of signage likely to render the limit invalid? I am not asking because I have been caught speeding in it - I am just interested in the legality and enforceability of a limit which is posted but seems to be short of repeaters/reminders.
Deserves to be in its own thread rather than IHAQ !
Edited by Pugugly on 09/03/2008 at 13:55
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First thing I would do AS is to view the Traffic Regulation Order regarding the 50 and 40 limits. Copy will be with LA Traffic Mangement Dept or Plod Station. It has been known for none to be in force or defective in description.
From what you say IMHO there should be repeater signs for ther 50 and the 40 and their absence if a genuine Order is in force opens the argument that not signed in accordance with regs then an unlawful limit. Bear in mind Traffic Signs and generalk Directions 2002 imposes a duty to have limits correctly signed.
The distances for the repeaters are not set in stone but are mentioned in advisory leaflets to LA by DoT.
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DVD many thanks for your comments and the useful link. I shall go and be a Meldrew at the Council Offices when I am REALLY bored. Thanks for the sign-off too, brought back memories of the Piston Provost, Barkston Heath 1959, except the wheels were welded down!
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No obvious reason you say? I've spotted two, a sharp bend and a blind brow.
I often complain about a surfeit of road signs but it seems to me that in this case they have been put there for a valid reason.
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Yes, my essay writing isn't what it used to be. What I meant was that there is no obvious reason for the 60 to become a 50, but the 2 other scenarios clearly did/do justify a 40!
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here is no obvious reason for the 60 to become a 50, but the 2 other scenarios clearly did/do justify a 40!
When I was a young lad, drivers were expected to be able to assess the road and adjust their speed accordingly.
Now we live in a proctocracy (google it!) the right of a driver to be able to make his/her own judgements is probably now illegal or against EU regulations.
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Now we live in a proctocracy (google it!) the right of a driver to be able to make his/her own judgements is probably now illegal or against EU regulations.
I did.... what a SUPERB definition, PMSL!
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as far as iam aware when a speed limit changes there must be a pair of signs ,and they dont have to be repeated if they do they must be the small signs. Can you tell me is this road under the control of one council. in your opinon is the speed limit set properly
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Sounds like another job for Cool Hand Luke or his avatars.
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No, it is under the control of one County Council. The only accidents that I am aware of in the last 3 years, have been on a bend which is now a 40 limit. The 60 reduced to 50 is quite unecessary as one section is a one mile straight and level stretch. The link that DVD kindly posted earlier shows that there should be repeaters at laid down intervals. If a road appears to be an NSL 60, but has been reduced to 50, there have to be signs along it to inform people, particularly those who joined the road from NSL limited other roads who would otherwise be unaware of the lower limit. The road in question is the Burley Road, from the West side of Cottesmore to the East side of Oakham - a distance of about 3 miles.
Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 09/03/2008 at 22:16
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