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I'm getting a bit bored of heavy-handed moderating.
I made a comment relating to having to have no smoking stickers in cars. Pretty well motoring related, IMHO.
Calm down a bit, will you?
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Oh and a further edit... I think some perfectly ok posts might have been culled by accident. Apologies if it was yours.
Eeek. Hadn't seen this when I commented
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We have stickers stuck in the back and front of ours.....
The back one lasted 2 minutes before the little one removed it and stuck it on his forehead.
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I find it quite funny that we have to stick one in our company van even though no one who uses it smokes ;-)
Not sure who's going to be imposing these fines though if people don't put these stickers up (is that whole new task force created just to trawl the country issuing fines....)
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Apparently, the no smoking rules are policed by the local council, who in turn have said the no smoking police will only be on duty from 09:00 to 17:00 weekdays.
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The back one lasted 2 minutes before the little one removed it and stuck it on his forehead.
Maybe he's making a philosophical point?
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My local pay and display open air car park now has No Smoking signs. What is the world coming to?
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the sticker in my transit is already curling up at the edges like an old bacon sandwich and its only been there 2 weeks
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It's all the smoke making it lose it's sticky ;)
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Yawn... PG
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What annoys me about the smoking ban is that it applies to all public buildings, yet signs still have to be displayed, what's next? 30mph speed limit signs every 100 meters on every urban road?
But it hasn't just started with the ban coming in, my daughters school has had no smoking signs since it opened 4 years ago, and when you could still smoke in hospital grounds and designated smoking rooms they had signs on the doors saying this is a no smoking building, well duh it's a hospital!
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My local pay and display open air car park now has No Smoking signs. What is the world coming to?
To quote from the "Act":
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmbills...3
Additional smoke-free places
(1) The appropriate national authority may make regulations designating as smoke-free any place or description of place that is not smoke-free under section 2.
(2) The place, or places falling within the description, need not be enclosed or substantially enclosed.
"The appropriate national authority" isn't defined so probably includes any control freak with a need to satisfy his unnatural urges.
It should be noted that this act merely presages the EU Enjoyment Control Directive, shortly to be promulgated by Brussels. This directive will have the effect of making smiling while driving an illegal act.
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e Prôf - Another Recycled Teenager
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According to the text of the Act on the OPSI website www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/60028--m.htm#82 :-
"the appropriate national authority" means-
(a) in relation to England, the Secretary of State, and
(b) in relation to Wales, the National Assembly for Wales;
Regualtions will be made by Statutory Instrument which although laid before both houses of Parliament are unlikely to generate publicity or debate. Most legislation is done that way now. Not a Nulabour thing; the Tories were just as good at it.
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Above Houses of Parliament procedure applies in England - the Assembly have their own proceess in the land over Offa's Dyke.
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>and in company cars where more than one person uses the vehicle
That bit's not quite right. We queried ours at work, and were told that smoking is only banned in cars that are used for business for the majority of the time. As mine's used for private miles more than business, I could smoke to my heart's content if I wanted to.
And now with the moderator's hat on...
Please keep this to motoring and cars, not a discussion in general about smoking or the new legislation. Thanks.
Oh and a further edit... I think some perfectly ok posts might have been culled by accident. Apologies if it was yours.
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>and in company cars where more than one person uses the vehicle That bit's not quite right. >>
I think it is PG.
www.smokefreeengland.co.uk spells it out.
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Oh, I think it's around how the organisation are defining 'work vehicle' then. It doesn't affect me anyway, as I don't smoke, but was just posting the advice we'd been given.
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I take it it's OK to smoke in an open car, as I used to in the Lagonda, with one of these vented and hinged lids on my pipe!
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And a pair of goggles just in case!
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>>Oh and a further edit... I think some perfectly ok posts might have been culled by accident.
I wouldn't be at all surprised, the way you are wielding that strimmer PG (motoring connection). .
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OK, from a Scottish viewpoint, where we've had the smoking ban in place for over a year....
To be honest, I still see people smoking in lorries, vans and company cars. The responsibilites for enforcing this ban lies with the local councils, who employ specialist smoking enforcement officers to patrol the streets and bars, and obviously, they can't be everywhere at once.
I'm a non-smoker. I bought my current car at 107k miles, from a dealer. The previous owners obviously smoked in it heavily, cos even though I suspect it had been at the dealers for months, it had the classic stale smoke smell, took me months to get rid of, very unpleasant. Smoking, when you get used to it not being there, is very obvious, even in small quantities long ago.
I'm all for smokers rights, but again, my experience of pubs and bars up north over a year after the ban is that they will find a way to accommodate smokers with various smoking shelters outside.
Of course it is up to each individual smoker to choose whether to smoke, but even the best ventilation systems in the world cannot completely mask or eradicate the smell and health hazards of smoking. To be honest, I now take it for granted that I can go into a pub or club and not come out stinking of smoke. Maybe there's the odd smell of flatulence and BO, but it's nowhere near as unhealthy or just unpleasant as passive smoke.
You have entirely the right to smoke in your own cars and homes, but even the best ventilation systems cannot truly eradicate the smoke from pubs and clubs if they have separate smoking and non-smoking sections.
Same goes for cars and vans, even if you don't smoke in them in the presence of a non-smoker, the stench of stale fags is still pretty unpleasant in a vehicle that has been smoked in heavily in the past - how many folk are put off a used car if it stinks of old smoke?
My lodger gave up as a result of the ban in Scotland, I only hope that many English people do likewise. It's not a question of the liberty of the smoker, more of those around you who do not. Smoke in your own homes by all means, but why should a non-smoker have to put up with it in company vans or cars or pubs?
The most ridicuous argument we've heard up north since the smoke ban came in is that children are more exposed to second-hand smoke as people chose to smoke at home when it is barred in pubs. I'm sorry, but if you're so addicted to smoking that you're prepared to risk your children's lives by smoking more at home, then that's not my problem....
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By the way, the asterisked word in the post above is flatulence , hardly an offensive term in anyone's books - methinks this site has an overly zealous swear filter if it censors that word!
{I'll be the judge of that. DD}
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"Apparently, the no smoking rules are policed by the local council, who in turn have said the no smoking police will only be on duty from 09:00 to 17:00 weekdays."
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Not quite correct the officers are employed on a 24/7 basis in my area they have to check hire cab and taxi licencing ,off licences,eating establishments everywhere that is covered by the smoking ban they are paid 27k a year plus shift and overtime premium for a basic 37 hour week.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised the way you are wielding that strimmer PG (motoring connection). .
Think think think - Nope no connection with strimmer and motoring.
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Well mother-in-law has a nice two stroke petrol one, much more satisfying to use than an electric one, even smells like a two stroke m/cycle.
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so you cant smoke in an enclosed public place, so how is it that cons can smoke in prison buy i cant smoke in my private working mens club?
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And the warders can't. I suppose its to stop riots and smuggling the official reason its classed as their home.
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"Apparently, the no smoking rules are policed by the local council, who in turn have said the no smoking police will only be on duty from 09:00 to 17:00 weekdays."
i vote pologirl as the ideal candidate to be the jobsworth to enforce 24/7 anti-smoking policies in cars.
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the no smoking police will only be on duty from 09:00 to 17:00 weekdays."
Except in Westminster where it won't be enforced at all.
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well ive wet two people with my water squirter this morning because they say "it doesnt apply to me"
the hose pipes next
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well ive wet two people with my water squirter this morning because they say "it doesnt apply to me" the hose pipes next
And a jack handle in your orifice by way of reciprocation. - sideways -
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makes me laugh how all of a sudden there is mass " coming out" of closet wannabe drinkers who havnt dared go to a pub in the last 400 years for fear of second hand smoke related deseases and now they are chomping at the bit to get down the local rubber dub, the govt should of given pubs the choice to be smoking or non smoking establishments then people could choose for themselves!!!....(gets off soap box)
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Yes, and what's it going to be like when the bad breath of all these idealists is no longer obscured by the foul reek of cigarette smoke? And their body odour, and their flatulence especially when, as many are of course, they are vegetarians?
And just imagine the Elton John-type carp they are going to put on the juke box.
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Do you have a crank operated strimmer then TVM? Hamsters in a treadmill?
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motoring ?noun
traveling in a car, esp. when considered as a recreation.
Now I know the poorer residents of the London Borough of Kensington and Chelsea travel around in some rediculous contraptions. (even I hear - LOL - Ford Escorts! Oh dear oh dear) but they have yet, I understand, to have found a strimmer capable of transporting people or goods around the western boundries of our great metropolis. In fact its so unlikely its not even mentioned in TfL taxation plans.
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Ah. I thought it was just to do with anything with a motor.
Pity that, as I was about to do a wonderfully interesting post on two-stroke-engined angle grinders.
Well, you can whistle for it now.
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Every day, I go down on bended knee, and I recite "Thank thee lord for my daily small mercy"
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Polite of you to say so TVM, but please, no need for all the formality...
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didn't realise they did a 2 - stroke Anglia?
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Saw a van yesterday with a 12" diameter no smoking sign on the windscreen..... sensible!
P.S. LOL! I've never known such an unnecessary & over zealous moderation policy as on here!
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