Malicious damage - Lud
I may fantasise sometimes about kicking in the door panels of a stupidly and selfishly parked car, but I wouldn't dream of actually doing it. As anyone whose pride and joy has suffered malicious damage will confirm, it is very upsetting even when not serious. Not everyone has been properly taught and one has to show compassion for the intellectually challenged.

I notice though that some back room posters advocate such action, and one or two even admit to doing it. Surely this runs counter to the way most people feel? It's a criminal offence of course, although not one you are very likely to be punished for. But the real point is that it's extremely mean and petty-minded. I really can't approve.
Malicious damage - Armitage Shanks {p}
Lud, aren't you the person who advocates a bit of pushing and nudging to get into a parking space? See your earlier posts and discussion with Moderator DD on the subject!
Malicious damage - Westpig
I agree.....it's the action of a bully.......i.e. not brave enough to confront the driver personally, but brave enough to sneak up when no-one else is about & cause some damage

one recent thread has suggested this for pavement parking.......yet in some places you're allowed to pavement park, with the council putting in marked bays........ & some other places it would be nigh on impossible to park otherwise

if you feel strongly and don't want a confrontation why not leave a note.........or call the local authority council parking wardens or police etc
Malicious damage - Armitage Shanks {p}
Parking methods, possibly causing damage, dicsussed here

www.honestjohn.co.uk/redirect.php?http://www.hones...e
Malicious damage - Lud
Yes Armitage, I have advocated that in the past. However it shouldn't cause damage if you do it right. I agree that a lot of modern cars don't have bumpers, just silly bits of flimsy trim the better to gouge pedestrians (whatever the manufacturers may claim).

I'm afraid I learned this technique from Frenchmen and Americans.

In my own defence, I wd say that if I do make a mark on someone's valance by accident, I leave a note with phone number.
Malicious damage - sierraman
'I agree.....it's the action of a bully.......i.e. not brave enough to confront the driver personally, but brave enough to sneak up when no-one else is about & cause some damage'

Not neccessarily-I once returned to my properly parked car to find someone had parked accross thus blocking me in.With a lot of tooing and froing I managed to wriggle out,but my temper had built to such an extent I got out and gave the offending vehicle a good boot in the door.I certainly was not going to waste more time waiting for the driver to return so that I could confront them,besides which if they cannot see the obvious,or do not care,not much point in telling them.BTW it was a dented and battered heap anyway.
Malicious damage - BazzaBear {P}
I agree Lud, not something I would ever consider doing, no matter hopw enraged. It's just not in my make-up.
Malicious damage - barchettaman
Plus, Baz, I would imagine you´ll be parking as far away as possible from any other vehicle for the foreseeable future - assuming you´re letting the GTV out of your sight at all, that is....
Malicious damage - Hamsafar
When the C Class Mercedes has just come out, I returned to my car parked at the side of the road in the end space, to find one parked 6" away behind mine on double-yellow lines.
After waiting for ten minutes, I got so annoyed, I reversed into it with my towbar and pushed it back, the towbar went through the bumper and number plate and made awful crunching and cracking sounds, but it was their fault. That is the only time I damaged someone else's car with a wilful decision.
Malicious damage - Big Bad Dave
I don't get the connection between Lud's comments about malicious damage and someone berating him for nudge parking. They're not the same. I nudge bumpers from time to time if it's appropriate but I would never key a car or snap an ariel off.
Malicious damage - Armitage Shanks {p}
BBD. Lud's reported technique is

And when they are stupidly parked so as not to leave you quite enough room, you can sometimes overwhelm their handbrakes and shove them along a bit.

It would be hard to achieve this in cars with modern plastic trim (jokingly called bumpers) without doing damage to both cars, I suggest. He does say that if he causes damage he leaves a note but it sounds like basic vandalism to me!
Malicious damage - Lud
it sounds like basic vandalism to
me!


Oh dear, you do go on.

Obviously I don't do it with absurd modern thingies, just cars with bumpers. I have never damaged a car visibly by pushing it. Valance marking is the sort of thing that happens corner-to-corner, by accident, when parking in a tight place.

The other thing worth mentioning is that shunting is not a technique even a thug like me uses every day, only very rarely.

BBD uses the expression 'nudge parking'. That is quite commonplace in locations where there are a lot of cars tightly parked. You know, crash, crash, crash, oh sorry was that your car mate? Well, it's not much good now. Here is my brief''s secretary's husband's email address, if I've got it right (does runner).

Honestly.
Malicious damage - Armitage Shanks {p}
Maybe I do go on but you are inconsistent! In one post you tell us that if you damage a car you leave a note for the owner and in another (your latest) you say that you have never damaged a car visibly by pushing it. You haven't got your story straight and some of us are confused. I agree it is isn't worth bothering about, unless one has been shunt parked!
Malicious damage - Leif
I wouldn't damage a parked car. There's the moral aspect, but also what if you get seen, and recorded on CCTV? And what if the owner is Kenneth Noye's evil big brother?

I once had to wait ages to get a space in a Bath car park, and saw some selfish oaf had parked across two spaces so as to prevent anyone from damaging his car by opening a door against it. If there had been a handy dog turd and a long stick nearby, there's no doubt where the turd would have gone.
Malicious damage - David Horn
I found a smudge of white paint on my car with a matching bit of my paint on another car - they'd obviously nudged my car, realised, and parked further down the street in the hope I wouldn't notice.
Malicious damage - Big Bad Dave
You've just got to be sensible, you don't rub plastic on plastic to push somebody's shiny new s-class down the road, but rubber on rubber with a middle-aged Escort is ok just to be sure that you're using the maximum space available. My 406 doesn't look any worse the wear for it kissing a few cars on occasion. Bumpers get scuffed, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, but coming back to find your mirrors missing at the hands of a local scrote is entirely another matter.
Malicious damage - Lud
You haven't got your story straight and some of
us are confused


I have got my story straight, to the extent that it's a story. And you aren't confused, you're just trying to wind me up.

I have never damaged a car visibly by pushing it.

I have marked someone's rear valance - an old shape Megane but a very nice one - accidentally when parking, just a small scrape but visible. I left them a note. They didn't think it was worth getting in touch.

Must say I'm glad it wasn't you Armitage. God knows where that would have ended.
Malicious damage - Lud
Now BBD is a rational man, as well as an amusing hooligan of the right sort.
Malicious damage - Big Bad Dave
My loved ones have caused far more damage to the insides with lollies, milk, tic tacs and fags. Life is much less disappointing when you come to accept inevitabilities like death, kids leaving home and stone chips.
Malicious damage - Armitage Shanks {p}
Saturday 19.46. Quote from Lud

"a thug like me "

Says it all really!

Ever damaged a an automatic tranmission car by nudging it with the transmission locked? Not visible damage I agree but could be very pricey.
Malicious damage - retgwte
only time i have damaged another car with malicious intent

car pulls up next to me (im parked up in a car park), parks up, plenty of space, no problems so far, but then the idiot goes on to open his door with such force into the side of my car that the whole car shook

he had probably failed to notice there was someone in my car

he probably does this regularly

anyways without a second thought, without saying a word, i promptly lean over open the passenger door full force into his

end result both cars with massive dents, mine was a company car anyways and i really didnt need to care

he didnt say a word just watched and wandered off

Malicious damage - Dynamic Dave
Only damage I ever caused was pushing someones mirror around that had half parked on the pavement. Normally a mirror just folds around or pops off it's connecting mount and swings in the wind. However, this time it came clean off in my hands. Upon closer inspection I could see the mounts had previously been broken and all that was holding it to the car was the ball and socket joints. Rather than re-attaching it though, I just lodged it on the windscreen wiper in the hope the driver would get the message not to park on the pavement in future. On reflection though maybe that's how it got broke in the first place.

I do however give my full support to pushchair and mobility scooter users who scrape along the side of inconsiderately parked cars on pavements and the like.
Malicious damage - Lud
Ever damaged a an automatic tranmission car by nudging it with
the transmission locked? Not visible damage I agree but could
be very pricey.


Honestly Armitage!

With the transmission locked, an automatic car won't move. You would need a tractor to slide it along wheels locked. If you had say a VW Phaeton or something, you might move it but that would make visible damage for sure.

'A thug like me'... have you no sense of irony man?

Yer BUMBOCLAAT!
Malicious damage - Armitage Shanks {p}
No, but I have a sense of the ridiculous and you fit it exactly! I don't understand Swahili so your flattering compliment passed me by.
Malicious damage - Lud
No, but I have a sense of the ridiculous and you
fit it exactly!


Hmmm....
Malicious damage - Lud
I don't understand Swahili so your flattering
compliment passed me by.


Jamaican actually Armitage. I realise you may have taken it as an insult, and been suckered into betraying your own principles in the matters of sarcasm and rudeness.

It isn't, it's just an oath that I figured the swear filter wouldn't know, used in exasperation with your wilful confusion of malicious damage with accidental bumper scuffs. In the fifties, I am told, you could be fined £5 for uttering it in public in Jamaica.

We are the same age, an unseemly one for pointless squabbling.
Malicious damage - Kevin
Called at the local last night to drop off some books about serial killer psychology the missus had promised to loan to one of our friends before we go on hols.

While we were there a call went round for someone to move a BMW X5 that was blocking exit from the carpark. The owner was in the restaurant and protestingly had to leave his dining companions to move it.

We came out about half an hour later to find a BMW X5 parked so close to my drivers door I couldn't even get between them.

I took great pleasure in going back inside and dragging him away from his freshly served Beef Wellington to move it for a second time.

Much more satisfying than a childish kick to a door panel.

Kevin...
Malicious damage - burpie
I disagree. I think a childish kick to a door panel is more satisfying. Personally I prefer to break off door mirrors, but that's neither here nor there
Malicious damage - retgwte
oh i forgot

lots of kicking out at taxis missing me by inches while im mid way across a ped crossing on foot and they should have dam well stopped

Malicious damage - Lud
Ever tried torching one burpie?

I mean why mess around?
Malicious damage - burpie
Ever tried torching one burpie?
I mean why mess around?


Each to their own I suppose, but it's not for me. Good luck.
Malicious damage - Westpig
i find it extremely annoying that just because I drive something nice....others who don't.... feel it is their right to damage it if they see fit.........i have (over 5 years) paid for 2 resprays of the bumpers on my car & since then need to have both bumpers done again, but haven't bothered.

wife's car was 4 months old before someone thought it acceptable to hit the bumper real hard, to the extent the paint was scraped right off it over a good 6 inches.

selfish, selfish,selfish

i wouldn't dream of parking too close to anyone, park under street lights if i can, don't leave it in remote car parks etc,etc........but still it happens, quite regularly............WHY?

too many people couldn't give a pink fluffy dice that's why........which is extremely selfish
Malicious damage - Pugugly {P}
Westpig - because the world is full of yobs and thuugs and yes, I include those that feel that they occupy a moral plain where it's ok for them to deliver their own brand of instant justice as and when they feel like it, but woe betide anyone that does it to them. Another reason to leave the towns and cities of this Jewelled island and live in isolation. My solution is to use the Landie when I venture into town. An example above (i'm can;t be bothered to check who) who openly brags about shunting a C class Merc that had blocked him in. I blame the media for the diet of reality TV from where people benchmark their morals nowadays.
Malicious damage - Pugugly {P}
Lud,

Just re-read your original post and I agree with most of it. Just be aware that Criminal Damage is going to become a Fixed Penalty Offence shortly so proper street justice will be around for those who cause minor damage - a far more attractive way for Police Officers to deal with crime than arrest, loads of paper and a tedious journey to a local Court.
Malicious damage - The Purifier
sorry to say i do now park taking up two spaces. I got sick and tired of idiots bashing my car with their doors and trolleys and leaving dents in the bodywork that i feel entitled to be a bit selfish!
Malicious damage - L'escargot
I notice though that some back room posters advocate such action,
and one or two even admit to doing it.


Unfortunately it's a sign of the times. Moral standard nowadays are much lower than they used to be, say, 50 years ago.
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L\'escargot.
Malicious damage - L'escargot
I'm not convinced it's all malicious. I think some is done quite gleefully!
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L\'escargot.
Malicious damage - Robbie
I'm not convinced it's all malicious. I think some is
done quite gleefully!
--
L\'escargot.


You mean that they don't gleefully commit malicious damage?
Malicious damage - sierraman
It's a point-malicious being intended harm,those comitting it would surely take some pleasure,as opposed to a reactive action,which may be regretted at a later date.I am not sure about things like keying,born of jealousy no doubt,but it is hard to imagine what is going on in the fetid mind of such a person.