£13000 for a 4 year old car with an incomplete service record?
You're having a larf. Run away quickly -- Passats just ain't good enough for that.
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Actually just realised -- these cars have 2-year service intervals don't they?
Never agreed with that, total bad practice as far as I'm concerned.
Still wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. I always look for at least 8000 miles per year as a baseline with yearly oil changes. Cars like this are just storing up trouble.
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DON'T DO IT!!!!!
£13k for a 3-4 year old Passat?!
Look in the Saturday Telegraph to see what £13k will buy you new or nearly new from one of the car supermarkets!
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My girlfriends mother paid £3500 for a 51 plate Passat in a lovely met blue. It had done 120k on it, she has done a further 30k and it has had no problems at all, this is the 2.0 Petrol unit I think.
My uncle paid £5000 for a 54 reg Skoda Suburb with just 20k on the clock (it was just over a year old) and a base model but for the money is a suburb car and its based on a Passat.
I wouldn't even pay £13k for a brand new one, cars like this loose value very very quickly.
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The Skoda Superb is indeed a very suburban vehicle...
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£13000 for a 4 year old car with an incomplete service record? You're having a larf. Run away quickly -- Passats just ain't good enough for that.
Well firstly, it's just over 3yo (Dec03). Secondly, Parker's Guide for 03/'53' for dealer price in A1 cond is £12700 (30k miles). Thirdly, with a service interval of 10k, how many services should it have had at only 11k miles (it had one - at 8k). Fourthly, this one comes with most of the major extras: Satnav (£2500), xenons (£750), elec sunroof (£475), parking sensors (£250). And lastly, although £12999 is the sticker price, I would anticipate room for haggling.
I've currently got a Dec01 version of the same (2.5 V6 TDi auto) and have been very happy with it; it's been very reliable but with 80k on the clock now, I want to change it before major problems start occurring. The only disappointment is that I only average 32mpg from town/motorway mix - even at a steady 70 on motorway journeys, I only eke out 37 with the wind behind me.
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SFAIK servicing is every 10K OR once a year so it should have had 3 services, based on what you say about its age.
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SFAIK servicing is every 10K OR once a year so it should have had 3 services, based on what you say about its age.
Yeah that's the point I was trying (and failing) to get across.
Just because a car hasn't done 10K miles in a year, doesn't mean the service shouldn't have been done. Indeed, at 3000 miles a year on average, chances are the car has been used for short runs -- in which case it needs the fettling more than one that'd done 10K in the year.
However, if the car is one of the ones with 2-year service intervals, then the servicing is by the book it would seem -- even so, would I buy a car that'd probably done 6000 miles of stop-start between oil changes? Not bloomin likely.
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It's on longlife servicing - once every 24 months or 30k miles. The one and only service was in Dec05, 24 months from new when the mileage was 8k. Next service not due till Dec07
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You could get something like an 05 Passat 1.9PDI 130PS Highline for less than that. If you do a search on VW website the 1.9 diesel very common and the 2.5 diesel not so common. Still some examples:
- there's a 53 plate 2.5V6 diesel automatic Passat saloon at Listers Coventry for £11,500 although mileage 54k miles.
- there's a 53 plate 2.5V6 diesel automatic Passat saloon near Scarborough for £8495 although it has 72k miles - but the £4500 saving would pay for a warranty or some repairs :-)
- there's a 55 plate new shape Passat at Bolton for £12k with about 40k miles. This has the 2.0 TDI engine with SE trim and of course still has warranty.
So forget the risk... it's not value for money.
The 2.5V6 diesels not so common because in real world driving no better than the 130PS 1.9 PDI unit. That's why they perhaps hold their price but I'd say not worth it. Don't think the 2.5 V6 diesel was PDI. And with the V6 you have an even heavier engine upfront - handling was never good on any of these Passats. I know I had a 1.8T Sport.
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You could get something like an 05 Passat 1.9PDI 130PS Highline for less than that. If you do a search on VW website the 1.9 diesel very common and the 2.5 diesel not so common
I want an auto so doesn't that rule out the 1.9 tdi's?
>>. Still some examples:- there's a 53 plate 2.5V6 diesel automatic Passat saloon at Listers Coventry for £11,500 although mileage 54k miles.
Presumably no SatNav or Xenons? And a saloon rather than estate. So maybe £12,999 with 11k miles is a good deal?
- there's a 53 plate 2.5V6 diesel automatic Passat saloon near Scarborough for £8495 although it has 72k miles - but the £4500 saving would pay for a warranty or some repairs :-)
Again - I want an estate, this one probably hasn't got SatNav and Xenons, I admit the price looks good, Parker's says >£11k dealer price so maybe something wrong with this one? I don't want to buy something with the expectation that it will be off the road for repairs.
- there's a 55 plate new shape Passat at Bolton for £12k with about 40k miles. This has the 2.0 TDI engine with SE trim and of course still has warranty.
High mileage for a 1-2yo car (rep's car?). Is it estate, auto, .......
So forget the risk... it's not value for money. The 2.5V6 diesels not so common because in real world driving no better than the 130PS 1.9 PDI unit.
Did the 130PS unit come as an auto?
>>That's why theyperhaps hold their price but I'd say not worth it. Don't think the 2.5 V6 diesel was PDI.
What's PDI?
And with the V6 you have an even heavier engine upfront - handling was never good on any of these Passats. I know I had a 1.8T Sport.
Possibly, but most of my driving is motorways rather than rugged B roads, so handling is adequate.
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>>I want an auto so doesn't that rule out the 1.9 tdi's?
No it doesn't for VWs (but does for most other marques). 1.9 diesels available as autos and tiptronic.
Presumably no SatNav or Xenons? And a saloon rather than estate.
One estate does appear as 2.5l diesel by the way. Sat nav and probably Xenons will have been an option on the 2.5l diesel too. And they will have been available on the 1.9l diesel too. And there are more of them around.
High mileage for a 1-2yo car (rep's car?). Is it estate, auto, .......
But still has a warranty and is the new shape.
Did the 130PS unit come as an auto?
Yes and tiptronic too.
What's PDI?
Pumpe Düse injection (PDi) was VWs alternative to common rail. Instead of one poweful pump supplying fuel under high pressure to a common rail for injection into the engine also at high pressure and under fine control, there were high pressure pumps per cylinder. Did not allow such fine control over injection (crankshaft drives diesel pump via pump camshaft?) but did offer better MPG and more torque.
Have you searched VW's stock yet? If I search for a diesel Passat auto estate with leather and sat nav I get quite a few cars but not 100% matches (missing sat nav). But for that age car the sat nav disk replacement to update it will cost more than something like a TomTom One anyway :-) And TomTom warns of speed cameras too!
www.volkswagen.net.r66.co.uk/carview.aspx?id=50133...h
www.volkswagen.net.r66.co.uk/carview.aspx?id=50139...h
www.volkswagen.net.r66.co.uk/carview.aspx?id=50141...h
And saloon only 2.5l V6 diesel auto in Silver - looks nice though:
www.volkswagen.net.r66.co.uk/carview.aspx?id=50141...h
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"I don't want to buy something with the expectation that it will be off the road for repairs."
Don't worry they might all regardless of age and warranty. My Passat 1.8T needed a new gearbox and turbo on delivery - and so did my earlier Golf 1.8T :-) For mine:
The air-con failed just before the warranty was up - big bill otherwise.
Locks failed a week after delivery (same on the Golf) - three in total at different times.
Air-bag warning light came on at 2.5 years and took two months and many visits to dealership to resolve.
Wistling noise that transpired to be pin hole in mirror on drivers side.
Golf was not so unreliable as it was stolen after 6 months from new :-)
Enjoy the previous model Passat...
And remember to change the cam belt when needed (VW changed the interval and so the handbook wrong). Do a search to find out how soon to change the cam-belt. Think it's 40k now?
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Just did some more quick checking (so not 100% accurate) but for the 1.9 PDI 130PS and 2.5l engine some stats:
1.9 PDI: 96 kW (130 hp) @ 4000 rpm, 310 N·m @ 1900 rpm (sone only did 285Nm and not sure what models had what)
2.5l V6: 114 kW (155 hp), 310 N·m @ 1400 rpm
My final comment would be to try some alternatives back to back. I really liked my Audi's and VWs but despite being against it on launch (without driving it) the current Mondeo is a better car than the Passat B5. The Passat B5 is dated and feels it. Mondeo improved on the face-lift in 2003. And don't forget the Passat first appeared in 1996! Old car then :-)
... My Mondeo TDCi up for replacement in October.... new Mondeo or SMAX on the way??? And mine is only the 2.0l and you can get 2.2l now in your price range.
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>>I always look for at least 8000 miles per year as a baseline with yearly oil changes. Cars like this are just storing up trouble.>>
These days I have a job doing 5,000 miles a year (because of my wife's health) even though it's in use every day....:-)
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"These days I have a job doing 5,000 miles a year (because of my wife's health) even though it's in use every day....:-)"
It will be in better condition than the high mileage ones if you kept it long term. As long as it has the odd long run and 6 month oil& filter change.
I think there is a tendency to (IMHO) turn a blind eye to the fact that its high mileage that wears out the rest of the car even though the engine may survive it.
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The car in question (just over 11k miles in 3 yrs) is on VW's longlife servicing schedule, it's first service was due after the sooner of either 2yrs or 20k(?) miles. The one service it had was done at 2yrs (8k miles) and the next one is due in Dec07 which will be 4yrs (assuming it hasn't previously done 20k miles since the previous service). Doesn't this de-risk it to a large extent?
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"The one service it had was done at 2yrs (8k miles)"
Sadly I think that increases the risk, its really asking a lot of the oil IMHO.
Its not the low mileage, but the oil change intervals, I bet that would be a great buy if the oil and filter had been changed every 6 months.
Can you see into the camshaft area through the filler cap to see if its sludged up?
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Can you see into the camshaft area through the filler cap to see if its sludged up?
Sadly not, it's 170 miles away. I need to be pretty sure of it before travelling all that distance to view it. I'm loathe to ask the salesman as the answer's bound to be positive.
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'Longlife servicing' is the same as variable servicing, so 2yrs / 30000 miles is the absolute max between services -
'The LongLife Service Regime is so called because there are no set service intervals and, depending on how you drive your vehicle and the conditions of use, a service will be required anywhere between 9,000 miles or 12 months (whichever occurs first), up to a maximum of 30,000* miles or 24 months (whichever occurs first) - from www.volkswagen.co.uk/services/servicing/longlife_s...e
It all goes back to Aprilia's question - did the car do 1 11000 mile trip a year or 11000 1 mile trips - from www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/Longlife_servicing.pdf
If your car is driven in a style of use listed below, it may make more sense to use the time/distance regime
- mainly short journeys
- frequent cold starts
- city centre driving
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Go on, get out of the car...
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On both VWs I had (Golf and Passat) that could be setup for long life (i.e. variable) service, Dial/Leaseplan had long life service disabled and therefore a service every 10,000 miles. For a car doing about 20k pa that's double the services.
Now for a lease company you'd have thought they have liked long life service because it saves them money. The fact they did not go along with the long-life/variable service means .... they disagreed with it or something??
I did query it once and got told Leaseplan did not want (at the time anyway) to use this.
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