Why doesn't he get his kerb dropped?
That way he won't get any grief from the council for crossing an undropped kerb and WILL have a leg to stand on if obstructed.
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He's planning to, only moved in a few months back and is saving the sovs to get it done, mean time we have aggro from the ASBO Family 2 doors down.
Blimey its a bit sad these days, I remember a time when neighbours were all mates, community spirit and all that, but thats another thread I suppose.
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It may be different in other areas, but here in Epsom, surrey [ at least as of 12 months ago when I actually discussed the subject with a highways department official ] the position is that without a drop kerb you cannot prevent anyone parking in front of your house - and even with a drop kerb you cannot prevent it unless you have a white bar painted across the said drop kerb!
Round here also - and probably the same elsewhere - you can only get a drop kerb arranged via the council itself, who will use their own contractors, and you will have to pay for the work to be done. which is roughly £1000. Try and do it yourself = the council will be on you like a ton of bricks for unauthorised works to the public highway.
Ouch!
So my guess is your neighbour cannot really do anything about it unless he shells out to his local authority for an official drop kerb and has them paint the white bar across it as well.
Incidentally, again in Epsom at least, you can have a drop kerb and white bar even if you retain your front garden and do not have a hardstanding at all...
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Cheers Muggy, that was about how I thought it was but needed confirmation, £1000 is the same as down here too, rip off, no choice but to go through the council.
I'll let the lad know, he's not going to be a happy bunny but its still not worth losing sleep over.
C'est La Vie
CBG
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....and a wiseman came from the North East and pointed to:
www.direct.gov.uk/HomeAndCommunity/WhereYouLive/Ro...R
..a saviour?
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And another Wiseman (not as wise as DVD) came in from the East Midlands and said
tinyurl.com/w7d88
Which is the same but shorter! You can tell I am bored at work!
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Poser - why is a wise man different to a wise guy?..:-)
We are fortunate in that the majority of our properties do have a dropped kerb.
Where I miss out is that the Neighbours from Hell are right next door, own two Transits, a 4x4 and a couple of hatchbacks and park just wherever they please...:-(
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Who are you calling a Poser? You have never met me? (Joke) A wise man is a man who is wise ; a wise guy is a joke cracking, know all, pain in the butt! Also, in modern terminology, a 'guy' can be female. Collective greeting to a mixed sex group "Hi you guys". Pause while I throw up!
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Of course he could simply park in the road himself. That would mean he always had access, and would also gain a garden to grow his prize dahlias in.
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I'd never park in front of a non dropped kerb that obviously houses a parking space in the garden.........I don't want my car keyed.
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Could be a long wait, but my mum was lucky enough for the pavements and curbs to be replaced in her street, phoned the council to see if they could have the dropped section of curb made longer (to make getting a caravan up the drive easier).
The cost would be several hundred, but the unofficial advice from the council call centre was to talk to the workmen, got it done for beer money.
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Cheers all
Looks like we are both going to go for a drop kerb, and maybe have a lil chat with the contractors so they could accidentily join the 2 together and make em a tad larger than the standard width, never know, gotta be worth a try.
As always, TBR comes up trumps with the info, be dammed if I could find it online.
Grateful to all.
CBG
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......be dammed if I could find it online.
It's all here ~ tinyurl.com/vstpj
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£1000 is the same as down here too, rip off,
Why do you think it's a rip-off? I doubt whether you could get it done to the same standard yourself for less.
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">ou cannot prevent it unless you have a white bar painted across the said drop kerb!<"
I don't think the solid white line across the entry/exit has any legal standing.
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On country roads where they use a single white line, as opposed to the urban yellow line, to indicate no parking, the line is replaced by a dotted line at entrances. I don't know what status it has, or what it is supposed to mean, but our council is meticulous in breaking the continuous line at any any hint of an entrance, even long-defunct field entrances.
The council also paints continuous white lines across some minor road junctions, as an altenative to the usual double dotted lines.
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Hello Cliff,
I don't think the white lines painted along the edge (not centre) of country roads have any legal standing either, I understand that the purpose of these lines is to highlight the edge of the carriageway.
www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs09.htm
Continuous white lines at a junction mean stop, broken white lines at a junction mean give way.
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If any resident or regular visitor to the house was wheelchair bound or disabled in a way where a dropped kerb would be beneficial then I believe all councils would be very sympathetic due to the disability requirements etc.
Not saying you should tell untruths etc but an avenue to explore possibly.
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Again, I can only answer for Epsom, but here you can only get a disabled parking bay painted outside if you or someone resident in your house is a blue badge holder.
Even then, apparantly, it's non-enforcable because it's a private resident's disabled bay.
And also once granted you might have to wait up to 12 weeks for the white line contractors to visit the area.
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I understand (although of course, I am open to correction) that:-
It is illegal to block someone in; i.e. to prevent them leaving and going about their lawful busness.
It is not illegal to prevent them from crossing the footpath and parking in front of their house when they return.
This is, of course, subject to any local regs. bylaws etc.
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I think most people are missing the bit about driving over grass, or have I read it wrong? As I read it, the person in question bumps up onto the pavement, drives over a public grassed area and then onto their property, I'd have thought that even with a dropped kerb driving over the grass isn't allowed.
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When my neighbour wanted to pave and park on his front garden he had firstly to apply for legal permission from the local council to gain right of access (IIRC cost about £70). Secondly he had to have the drop kerb made to council specifications. By phoning arround the approved contractors he managed to get it done for about £850 when one firm quoted £1300.
With regard to obstructing a crossover, a white line painted on the road has no legal effect - just a psychological one. If someone blocks access to the property then the police will only take action if a vehicle cannot access the highway. If you cannot get to park on your property, then tough you will have to wait until the blocking vehicl moves.
The OP did not give a description of what type of road we are talking about. It may be worth looking at the deeds to see if there are covenants or restrictions that apply to his property. These may include no commercial vehicles or caravans can be parked. The neighbour might be in breach with so many cars, vans and pickups. His problem of having too many vehicles should not cause a problem to his neighbours. It is his problem to park them in a way that does not cause problems. It may be worth having a word with a local councillor about parking problems and see if a residents parking scheme could be installed.
I think the OP's friend should immediately get legal permission for crossing the pavement and grass verge. Then pay for the crossover. He can later make his property a suitable parking place. A word with the neighbour about blocking the access then will be necessary. Until the OP's friend has the correct legal crossover installed there is little he can do.
Hope this summary helps.
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If someone blocks access to the property then the police will only take action if a vehicle cannot access the highway. If you cannot get to park on your property, then tough you will have to wait until the blocking vehicl moves. that's not at all correct........ the obstruction can be both ways
if someone like me has a dropped kerb and a classic car that is not covered by the insurance unless it's parked up at home in the garage at night, then i'd be in the ludicrous position of coming back home in it and having to park it in the street, uninsured, if someone blocks the garage ....
if i have an entitlement to use that part of the carriageway and someone else blocks it, they commit an offence of 'unnecessary obstruction'
the above comment about a one way offence has been an urban myth for donkey's years
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