Top Gear - Vol 25. Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave

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Support for Top Gear - Posted by Honestjohn Sat 23 Sep 06 10:12

Writing of Richard Hammond's hoped for complete recovery in 'The Sun' today, Jeremy Clarkson tells us, "You'd think that the joyous news would silence the vultures circling the crash site since the accident, rejoicing in the fact that Top Gear had finally been taught its lesson that speed kills. Somehow I doubt it though. The campaign to have us taken off the air - sparked curiously by the BBC's own news website - will now be ramped up, fuelled by the environmentalists and spearheaded by muddle-headed road safety campaigners. Richard is winning his fight. And now mine begins. To make sure he has a show to come back to."

The Sun also tells us: "BBC bosses have decided to indefinitely postpone a new series of 'Best of Top Gear'. The first show was due to air on October 1. They have also scrapped Richard's new daredevil show Dangerous Britain - where he was due to tackle hazardous landscapes."

Top Gear needs your support. It certainly has mine.

Whole Sun article at www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006440317,00.html

HJ

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I accidentally deleted this thread earlier. I have however managed to restore the earlier posting that HJ made. It's a bit heath robinson, with regard to having to copy / paste everyone's messages into postings that I have had to make.

Please accept my apologies. If it's any consolation, it has taken me nearly an hour to restore the thread. That'll teach me to check what I am deleting before pressing the button. DD
Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave
Support for Top Gear - PhilW Sat 23 Sep 06 10:27

"Top Gear needs your support. It certainly has mine."

Agree. Simon Heffer also puts it well in Telegraph:-

"We all have to have some vices, and mine is Top Gear. It has long struck me as the last outpost of politically incorrect programming on mainstream TV. I love the jokes about inferior foreign cars, the cruel banter with members of the audience, the puerile rivalry among the presenters and, above all, the sheer joy of being environmentally unfriendly with high-speed, gas-guzzling motors. Yet it is the way in which Top Gear accepts risk as a normal part of life, and the two fingers it puts up to the national obsession with health and safety, that most endears it to me.

I do hope the ghastly accident that befell Richard Hammond this week does not spell the end of this wonderful entertainment: but I rather fear, once the jobsworths have done their worst, that it will."

Not sure he is right about the Health and Safety aspect but otherwise pretty much on the mark.



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Phil
Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave
Support for Top Gear - GregSwain Sat 23 Sep 06 10:50

Top Gear is one of the few non-dull programmes on the BBC, and I agree with Simon Heffer as to why. I used to watch "Clarkson" before the new TG started, and I liked it because, despite not really being a useful programme, it was slightly more masculine than "how clean is your house", or "the X-factor" - how many other shows used a hairspray-powered rocket to fire a frozen turkey through a TV screen?!

TG isn't meant to be a load of anoraks obsessing over the torque figure of the new Vauxhall Corsa's diesel engine, it's meant to be a bit of laddish fun. Obviously that concept is foreign to many people, and they would rather see their £130 licence fee spent funding yet more dull TV.
Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave
Support for Top Gear - Dalglish Sat 23 Sep 06 10:53
I rather fear, once the jobsworths have done their worst, that it will

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not if the public rally to support top gear in their thousands. if we all make a big enough fuss, the jobsworths will realise that they have gone too far in sanitising society.

Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave
Support for Top Gear - oldgit Sat 23 Sep 06 11:03

The trouble is, I liked the programme but not loved it. I found that certain elements of it were tired and repetitive and some changes were necessary. I got fed up with the constant wheel spinning antics in exotic cars, although I realise that, to many people, this was the raison d'etre of the show - to me it wasn't.

However I hope, like most people, here, that it is not axed. I think that a future series could be very entertaining without being too silly and involving naff stunts.
Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave
Support for Top Gear - Lud Sat 23 Sep 06 11:06

Yes olgit. But perhaps they should just do one or two naff silly stunts... Agree about the tyre smoke.
Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave
Support for Top Gear - Chicken Vindaloo Sat 23 Sep 06 15:39

"not if the public rally to support top gear in their thousands. if we all make a big enough fuss, the jobsworths will realise that they have gone too far in sanitising society."

Would it be an idea to start an online petition to offer our support to the programme? I'm not sure that contacting the BBC en masse would have any effect.
Support for Top Gear - ndbw
And my support,wasn't it great to see Richard on the West news tonight walking un-aided from the helicopter as he was being transferred to a hospital in Bristol,nearer to his wife and familty.

ndbw
Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave
Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave Sat 23 Sep 06 14:43

Re: The Sun's article.

"He also knew that in Top Gear?s 28-year history, no one on the show has ever been hurt."

Didn't JC chip a bone in his thumb a couple of years back when he deliberately crashed a Volvo into a brick wall that he had bought for £1?
Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave
Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave Sat 23 Sep 06 19:56
The Sun also tells us: "BBC bosses have decided to indefinitely postpone a new series of 'Best of Top Gear'. >> They have also scrapped Richard's new daredevil show Dangerous Britain - where he was due to tackle hazardous landscapes."


It looks like ITV *are* following suit.

On Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway, part of the show has a challenge where each week a celebrity double-act go head to head with Ant & Dec for the chance to Beat The Boys. In their specially-modified dual controlled cars they'll speed around a wacky racetrack, working as a team to avoid obstacles that would make a driving instructor's eyes water,as they try to record a faster lap time than our boys.

Either it was taken off as a mark of respect for RH & his family; or pure censorship. I'm hoping it was the former, and not because of some nanny state ruling.
Support for Top Gear - Dynamic Dave
Support for Top Gear - autumnboy Sat 23 Sep 06 19:57
Top Gear needs your support. It certainly has mine.


It certainly has my support. It would be a sad world if one accident would close the show.

They don't stop F1 or WRC rallies, although they may close one event of the day.

{Post snipped as per the message "Responding to posts" - www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=42...2 at the top of the page - DD}
Support for Top Gear - Honestjohn
(Many thanks, DD. 7 rather silly and totally unnecessary postings that added nothing to anyone's life have been deleted. HJ.)

HJ
Support for Top Gear - rtj70
Had written a decent post (honest) and then hit the wrong button on the mouse and lost it. It's got too many.

Basically said that if JC's company makes Top Gear and lose their backing tfrom the Beeb hen he should/could/will move to another channel.Not only has the accident shown RH is well loved but so is the programme.

But just seen a Sky One clip for "Cirque de Celebrite" where celebs do circus stunts.... so why is that okay but driving fast cars fast not??? Pot and kettle come to mind. Falling on your head might not be any better than a car crash.

Thoughts?
Support for Top Gear - Vin {P}
I'm in. Axing this show for any reason other than falling audiences would be a travesty.

V
Richard Hammond Thread - Volume 2 - Avant
Moved from the Richard Hammond Thread - Volume 2 discussion - HJ

Let's drop the boring arguments on this thread and just be glad that he's alive and seemingly making progress and at least in with a chance of full recovery.

It's good to see how popular RH is - it means that the British still love an enthusiast, particularly one with the kind of physical courage that many of don't have ourselves. We still rightly salute our war heroes, and we admire the likes of Col. John Blashford-Snell, Sir Ranulph Fiennes, Ellen McArthur and now Richard.

Excellent article by JC in the Sun - not for the first time he speaks for the nation far more than those who whinge and pick holes and look for someone to blame or to sue.

It's in some people's nature to take risks. Let's accept that and be glad - sometimes the risks are for sport, more often for personal achievement ("because it's there"), some for scientific discoveries which we now take for granted.
Richard Hammond Thread - Volume 2 - rtj70
There are people who decide to take major risks in their work every day. Mostly to our benefit.

Richard did this to entertain us and we seem to all agree we like him doing that. And I am relieved he is getting better and through all of this he is even joking. What a strong character and his wife seems the same.... taking a change of clothes to RH was what she apparently told the young children on Wednesday. She is perhaps even braver than RH.

And as I say others choose to be firemen, pilots, army/navy/airforce professionals, journalists, cameramen, astronauts/cosmonauts .... the list goes on. If we all stayed at home then there would be no point in living. Well nobody would be producing and transporting food.

Me... I just drove near Milan in July and got an HGV hitting our hire car. We lived but could have been different - had there been rear passengers they would NOT be okay or probably even alive. I think Richard had better protection in his car at 200-300mph than we had between a Fiesta and the HGV. Could post the pic somewhere if you want to see how strong that jet car was. Although the Fiesta did well.

Bottom line... life's a risk and Richard Hammond is getting better :-)
Richard Hammond Thread - Volume 2 - Westpig
another good quote from JC.....(sorry don't have the technical know-how to paste it on here..is on Sky news website if anyone wants to)

whilst argueing against TG being toned down or axed.....apparently said.... (of RH) " He's only 36 so he still wants to be put in a car and drowned or electrocuted...."
Road Safety Minister Backs Top Gear - Honestjohn
Road Safety Minister Dr Stephen Ladyman (who you may remember, did a lap) is reported in The Sunday Times to be "distressed" that some people were using Hammond's crash as "an excuse to knock the programme". In Dr Ladyman's words, "Richard is an adult and he chose to drive that test. If there's a land speed record someone will want to break it. He clearly is an adventurer and he was doing something that he wanted to do and enjoyed doing. I think it would be really sad if a real tragedy like this one was used to attack an entertainment."

In a separate piece in the ST, headed 'THE BLAME GAME', JC wrote, "swarms of bureaucratic bluebottles are nibbling away at the crash site on a York airfield, desperately trying to find some reason why Top Gear should be banished from the screens."

HJ
Road Safety Minister Backs Top Gear - pd
Out of interest, the next time Mr Rooney, Owen et al are carted off with some sort of serious injury in front of millions of viewers are the HSE going to investigate it and will there be calls for Football to be banned from TV? If not, why not? It is clearly an accident at work.
Road Safety Minister Backs Top Gear - smokie
"JC wrote, "swarms of bureaucratic bluebottles"

Oh dear, he is failing the attitude test...
Road Safety Minister Backs Top Gear - hxj

I know, he should know that it is a 'cloud of bluebottles"

Tut, tut
Looks like TG is only suspended - Dynamic Dave
According to Channel 4 & ITN news

"The next series of Top Gear has been postponed until presenter Richard Hammond has recovered. "
A BBC statement read: "We would not think of finalising plans for the next series without discussing it with everyone involved.

"When it is suitable, the team will do this and we will announce a new transmission date."

www.channel4.com/news/content/news-storypage.jsp?i...2
www.itv.com/news/index_10e1870a47ca3d8f14137ab5608...l

Top Gear =1
Nanny State = 0
Looks like TG is only suspended - colin-e
If its true that TopGear is only suspended, then it is excellent news.

It wouldn't be the same if the Hamster wasn't there to gnaw cool wall pictures!

When it returns, I predict it to be the highest rating edition if the show ever. (That's a no brainer!!)

However, if TopGear was to be axed, it would only underline how out of touch the BBC has become. As the UKs largest provided of subscription TV (we ALL pay the licence fee!!), it seems more and more intent on becoming a minority interest broadcaster.

TopGear has mass appeal (regularly over 4m viewers - excellent for a BBC2 show), and is far fresher than any of the competition (5th Gear is just a re-hash of old TopGear with presenters who are "has beens" and "wanna be's"; and Vroom Vroom isn't worth squat).

Sure, Jezza is over opinionated and winds people up, but that's why the trio of Clarkson, Hammond and May works so well - they each provide a balance to the others (how's the new Panda, James? I have some old stair carpet in the garage if you want to collect it!!).

TopGear should be left to learn its own lessons from the "Hamster Incident", without any meddling from the BBC management or the HSE; that way we will continue to get the motoring show we all love.
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Looks like TG is only suspended - Round The Bend
TG has my support in whatever format its production team and presenters want to deliver (not forced to deliver).
It was an accident! Everyone knows what they are taking on in these stunts and no one is being exploited in the making of the programme.

PS: "........ he deliberately crashed a Volvo into a brick wall that he had bought for £1" Cheap wall!


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IanS
Looks like TG is only suspended - barchettaman
Hasn´t the show just won an Emmy, or something?
Looks like TG is only suspended - Pugugly {P}
I know I've moaned about all three and the programme, but TV would be the poorer for losing it.
Looks like TG is only suspended - stunorthants
I hope that if the BBC axe the show, another more forward thinking channel - Channel Four maybe? - takes it up as they would be mad not to.

If the show is axed, it is proof if any that the BBC has no interest in what the people want.
Looks like TG is only suspended - Pugugly {P}
Stu,
I think it would be deeper than that, this is a remarkable moneyspinner for the Beeb. Don't think they'd chop it lightly.
Looks like TG is only suspended - rtj70
I see no massive news coverage of this crash: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/5376892.stm

But have you seen the video of the crash!... might work...

news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_5370000/newsid_5379000/bb_rm_5379022.stm

{Link made non clickable as it's a video clip. Add http:// to the start of the link and copy / paste into your usual browser to view - D}
Looks like TG is only suspended - PoloGirl
That crash was all over our local news yesterday as she's from Guildford. A bruised knee isn't exactly national news though.

Looks like TG is only suspended - rtj70
"A bruised knee isn't exactly national news though."

Agree but the crash was quite spectacular to have walked away effectively unhurt. That was my point and proves how strong/safe racing cars have become.
Looks like TG is only suspended - Honestjohn
The danger of Top Gear disappearing has not disappeared. If it returned so emasculated that no one watched it, the show would still go down the plughole.

HJ
Looks like TG is only suspended - rtj70
If forced to change the format drastically, then there would be no point in it returning to the BBC - making it ultra safe etc.. If this was the only option I would hope Clarkson, May and the Hamster take it somewhere else. It would not have to be called Top Gear and I'm sure there would be plenty that watch it.
Looks like TG is only suspended - madf
I am not a keen watcher of TG but if last night's Fith Gear was typical of th enew series , then TG gets my vote between the two: for content, presentation, professionalism, humour , interest and presenters.

Apart from that I don't really care:-)
madf
Looks like TG is only suspended - rtj70
If you like Clarkson's humour, then anyone read his book "The World According to Clarkson". I read it while recovering from my accident in Italy and found it very very funny. Some of the stuff you have to think "can he say that" but still funny. Some in the book also written by him in the Times.

Sometimes I'd laugh so much my head really hurt - but that was because of the accident too... coughing did the same.

One of my favourite Clarkson quotes though is "the only person who looked good in the back of a convertible was Hitler". I know I probably shouldn't but I do.

Bring back TG.... one of the best bits of Sundays.
Looks like TG is only suspended - martint123
Spotted on the interweb at www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/sh...r
ticle_id=407022&in_page_id=1773
the hamster says:-

With Top Gear facing the axe, injured presenter Richard Hammond has begged the BBC to show the 280mph car crash that almost killed him.

In a bid to save the motoring show, the 36-year-old is also prepared to appear on television live from his hospital bed as BBC bosses have said they will only screen the new series if Hammond is well enough to appear on it.

Hammond, who suffered a serious brain injury after his jet-powered dragster crashed, is desperate to get in front of a camera as he is worried the programme will be cancelled before he has had a chance to recover from his injuries.
.......

"He's fuming they've postponed the next series because he fears that's the first step towards the BBC pulling the plug permanently. He's terrified they're going to axe it while he's stuck in hospital.

"He'll do anything to keep Top Gear going, even if it means broadcasting from his hospital bed. It would be an emotional broadcast for everyone involved and a ratings winner."

Looks like TG is only suspended - No FM2R
All terribly emotional but.....

HJ said..

"The next series was rumoured to be the last anyway."

So if that was the case, then I presume its cancellation has nothing to do with this tragic incident. Indeed, it is more likely that this incident will prove to be the show's salvation - one or two series at least.

{ 8< SNIP Provocative comment removed - DD}
Looks like TG is only suspended - M.M
Well I've avoided this group of threads and the politics of posting about the crash so far but... I can't avoid saying I agree with No FM2R (Hello BTW).

I am a great supporter of Top Gear as entertainment. As Brill said (I think) we too sit down with the kids and enjoy most of the show. So what if it doesn't relate to every day on the M25. I think the show has risen above motoring actually and the interplay between the three characters is a serious draw.

The Nanny State thing is being massively hyped in connection with this... seemingly so that those who have a thing against "it" can then climb their soapboxes. Of course you might say "well JC says that too". Of course he does... it is in his character and job description to do so... we'd expect no less.

If I'd been running the event that hurt Richard I'd be more than pleased to have the expert assistance of both the Police and HSE helping investigate the possible causes. Had a bit to do with both in accident investigation (not cars) and never found either any less than fair.

And as you hint it is quite likely there are cool heads making cool decisions involving many other factors... and no doubt looking down the pro/anti scrum below with despair.

David
Looks like TG is only suspended - Statistical outlier
Comment removed as not within the spririt of this thread. DD
Looks like TG is only suspended - oldgit
All I'm interested in is that Richard Hammond should make a full recovery. Whether TG continues or not is certainly not of prime importance to me. As I've already stated, the show is now tired and has elements in it that annoy.
Looks like TG is only suspended - cheddar
Two things seem certain.

Clarkson, May and Hammond will continue to front motoring related TV entertainment programmes.

The BBC will contunue to produce motoring related TV entertainment programmes.


Whether the Top Gear name continues or whether one, two ot all of the guys are still on the BBC is perhaps in question.
Looks like TG is only suspended - Adam {P}
Comment removed as not within the spririt of this thread. DD
Looks like TG is only suspended - Honestjohn
If today's news about Richard Hammond is correct (A consultant said he will need about 6 months to allow his recovery) and the BBC sticks to its guns then Top Gear's suspension could be more than temporary.

HJ
Looks like TG is only suspended - Adam {P}
I'm not too fussed to be honest. If it gets axed, I'm pretty sure another channel would pay good money for Clarkson (and Hammond when he gets better) and then you'll have your Top Gear. Admittedly probably not called Top Gear but it will be there all the same.
Looks like TG is only suspended - Westpig
why don't we have a little survey for a new name, just in case it's needed
Looks like TG is only suspended - Adam {P}
Fourth Gear: Gently crusing along at 57mph

You've got to admit - it's pretty snappy.
Looks like TG is only suspended - Xileno {P}
I've not been a huge fan of the programme in recent years, it has become too much of an entertainment show with a motoring theme. The older versions with Woolard were more my thing. But I wouldn't want to see it go, they still do things I like watching from time to time.
Looks like TG is only suspended - Mondaywoe
"The older versions with Woolard were more my thing."

Yes - I'd agree with that. Fast / exotic cars are not my cup of tea - although as someone else said - I'm more than happy to acknowledge that this would appeal to others.

What I do long for is a prog that looks at 'ordinary' cars in much more detail. What astounds me is the fact that programs catering for those who want to do their own servicing and repairs are pretty much non existent. You'd think there would be a strong interest in something with a DIY slant. After all, home DIY progs have gone down a bomb in recent years.

And what about a prog restricted to classic cars? I could wallow in that.........!

Graeme
(pulling up the anorak hood and making for the door.)
Looks like TG is only suspended - Dynamic Dave
I'm pretty sure another channel would pay good money for Clarkson (and Hammond when he gets better)


Someone like Channel 5 maybe? I hope not, as the old TG team went there and look what a disater that turned out to be.
Looks like TG is only suspended - madf
"Someone like Channel 5 maybe? I hope not, as the old TG team went there and look what a disaster that turned out to be."

I can't recall VBH being a regular on the old TG.. If her performance on Fifth Gear is anything to go by, her leaving TG (if she was on it) was no loss.. a most annoying presenter who makes me want to switch channels at once.

But all imo...
madf
Looks like TG is only suspended - Dynamic Dave
I can't recall VBH being a regular on the old TG..


She may not have been a regular presenter, but she was a presenter nevertheless

"In 1997 VBH joined the BBC's flagship motoring show Top Gear."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicki_Butler-Henderson
Looks like TG is only suspended - Big John
How about some sort of "electronic" petition of support for the show?
Looks like TG is only suspended - Honestjohn
Looks to me that as far as The Backroom is concerned Top Gear has died a death. One thing to talk about it when it's the main news item on Sky. Quite another the next week. If you don't want Top Gear, could be you won't get it. You might not get any motor stuff at all on the BBC apart from campaigns against motors. Kiss goodbye to one of the Beeb's most popular worldwide, biggest moneyspinning programmes ever just because one of its presenters had the sort of crash that happens in drag racing every week. Or really because that was enough for the BPC brigade to stick their knives in and then discover that no one really cared. Jayne Eyre?s good, though.

HJ
Looks like TG is only suspended - Dynamic Dave
I think for the Beeb to kill off TG would be a PR disaster.

It is one of the highest (if not the actually the highest) viewing figures for BBC2. If it were to be moved to BBC1 like "Have I got News For You" did, then the figures would be even higher.

Couple that with Hamsters comeback when he's fit enough again, and showing the accident (as he has expressed), then the viewing figures would go through the roof.
Looks like TG is only suspended - rtj70
With the support for Hammond, the Beeb would be insane to drop Top Gear wouldn't they. For the last week we have all been following this closely and wanting him to get 100% better quickly. Today was a good day with regards that goal.

WHEN Hammond is on TV again then millions will watch him just to see him presenting again. And he will present again. So dropping TG would be mad.

So of course the Beeb will drop TG.... sent them an email asking some questions. Got responses before believe it or not.... an apology from BBC Sport Editor in fact. Waiting with bated breath this time.

Rob

P.S. I was a bit negative on the Hamster before because of the Beeb News 24 coverage. Shows me up. Deep down always rooting for the bloke. He's so... likeable :-)
Looks like TG is only suspended - No FM2R
>>Looks to me that as far as The Backroom is concerned Top Gear has died a death.

The Backroom, or you ?

>>"The next series was rumoured to be the last anyway."

According to you the accident won't have any effect because it was going anyway?

>>Beeb's most popular worldwide, biggest moneyspinning programmes ever

And where did you find that information ? Because it seems to be that neither the viewing figures nor the external sales would confirm what you're saying. I'd be interested to be pointed towards your source/figures.

Looks like TG is only suspended - Honestjohn
"The Backroom, or you?"

Read the thread and the dates of the postings. You will see I was trying to drum up support for Top Gear but Backroomers were not responding.

"The next series was rumoured to be the last anyway."

From a newspaper article about JC and Top Gear. And in the context I wrote it, part of my attempt to stir Top Gear fans out of apathy and into support for the programme.

"Beeb's most popular worldwide, biggest moneyspinning programmes ever"

You misquoted me. I wrote "one of the Beeb's most popular worldwide, biggest moneyspinning programmes ever"

The widely quoted figure is 350 million viewers worldwide.

HJ
Looks like TG is only suspended - oldgit
"The Backroom, or you?"
Read the thread and the dates of the postings. You will
see I was trying to drum up support for Top Gear
but Backroomers were not responding.


I think you've got this muddled somwhat. I don't particularly want TG to fail or succeed as it is not, for me anyway, a programme that I rave about. I would agree that it would be a shame if it were axed but the fact remains that its format is somewhat tired and boring (to a lot of us) and find the contents annoying and childish.
I watch it avidly, nevertheless, because there is a dearth of 'motoring' programmes on the TV.

My main concern during the last 10 days or so has been for Richard Hammond's health only, and nothing whatsoever to do with his return to TG although, of course, it would be a great day for everyone when he is fit enough again, to return to his TV career.
Looks like TG is only suspended - DP
I see TG as fantastic entertainment with a motoring theme. If I want details of what family hatchback to buy, I'd probably get more relevant information watching Tom and Jerry, but I think most people realised a long time ago that useful motoring information is not a priority of the new format.

I absolutely love the show. I can honestly say that Top Gear is the only TV programme that I will make a point of staying in to watch or bother to record if I have to go out. It's pure escapism. A two fingered salute to the Brakes and Transport 2000s of this world, and goes out of its way to provoke comments of moral outrage from the too-vocal minority who seem to want cars banned or restricted beyond practical use.

Above all though, it's three blokes with fantastic on-screen chemistry, mucking about, taking the mickey - DD out of everything from the cars they test to each other, and each bringing their own distinct personalities and idiosyncrasies to the mix. If you take any of them away, it wouldn't work as well.

It's also a big moneyspinner for the BBC, which is why I suspect they won't be keen to tamper with it. As mentioned above, it pulls in 350 million viewers worldwide. Speaking from personal experience, I can vouch for its popularity across Europe - whenever I travel with work to one of our European offices, I get embroiled in at least one TG related conversation.

Of course, the only important thing in the days after the accident was that Hammond pulled through and that his injuries were not as bad as first feared. Now this seems to be the case, I reckon Clarkson hit the nail on the head when he said that his primary concern now was to make sure Hammond has a show to go back to.

I would willingly sign any petition supporting the show.

Cheers
DP
Looks like TG is only suspended - Statistical outlier
Petition to save top gear. I signed yesterday when they already had a serious number of signatures:

www.petitiononline.com/tg100/

I've made the link non-clickable for the moment - copy and paste into your browser. Mods, if you think this is okay, could you change it to clickable? {Done - DD}
Looks like TG is only suspended - No FM2R
Did I misquote you or or did you change my post to make it appear that I had ? How will we ever know given your track record ?

Nonethless, if we take it as "one of...." then what would be your source for that. What would be your criteria ? That it is in the top 10, top 100, top 1000 ? To me it seems like an unfounded statement. And whilst it may or may not be correct, I doubt that you have any idea. When statements are represented as facts, we really did ought to try to ensure that we have resonable grounds for that representation.

However, you may like to have a go at this in case it helps in the future......

tinyurl.com/gjnky {Link to www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice shortened - DD}

Where you will also find previous years reports.
Looks like TG is only suspended - Honestjohn
No FM2R has just made a prima facie libellous allegation with no evidence to substantiate it.

The truth here is he did not read my post properly before he launched his attack on it.

You can judge for yourself from his previous postings whether that is typical of No FM2R.

I do reserve the right to censor any overly agressive or intimidating post, particularly if it is directed at me.

It's my website.

However, if what No FM2R is referring to by my "track record" is me removing the single word "rot" from one of his more witless diatribes, then I strongly feel he is making a mountain out of a molehill and may even be exposing himself to ridicule.

When I asked the BBC asked for Top Gear's Wordwide viewing figures the reply was "We don't have international viewing figures for Top Gear, I'm afraid.But BBC Worldwide licenses the programme to 117 countries internationally, via BBC World, BBC Prime and a number of local channels." The BBC would not supply a revenue figure for Top Gear or a ranking for the programme in terms of revenue raised in comparison to its other output.

HJ
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - audiaudi
Incredible, but true.

This moring it was canclled on a Sky digi channel (a reapt)

Now its been cancelled on another Sky channel (534) (not a BBC channel) and replaced with some pop star!!

Is this not an over kill to an already silly situation?
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Vin {P}
It's barking mad. I'd love to ask whoever is responsible what was their motive.

If it's meant to be in some way in bad taste, are these the same people who on the day a comedian dies will always add an episode of ne of their comedies to the evening schedules?

The guy is NOT dead, and I have no doubt is the sort of chap who would deride people for this kind of bahaviour.

The world's gone mad.,

V
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - audiaudi
I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hamster is making a good recovery and he may not be aware of the repeats being cancelled!

It may be that digi channel only, but if anyone knows better, then let me know and I will complain to the BBC.

Does this mean that is a stunt went wrong on Cornation Street, they'd ban CS?
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Adam {P}
>>Does this mean that is a stunt went wrong on Cornation Street, they'd ban CS?<<

There's only so many ways eating hotpot can go wrong.
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Dynamic Dave
audiaudi,

Please see "Responding to posts" www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=42612

It's becoming monotonous to keep on having to edit your posts to remove unecessary quoting of other authors posts.

DD.
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Honestjohn
After three attempts I still cannot get any figures out of the BBC either for Top Gear Worldwide sales, ranking of Worldwide Sales, or Worldwide viewing figures. All they will give me is that it sells (sold?) to 117 countries. This is very strange indeed because the BBC Worldwide website ranks its top 5 selling programmes Worldwide, but gives no figures for them eitther. All I am left with is 350 million viwers worldwide which either came from other journalists of from an article about Top Gear somewhere. Form your own conclusions.

However, there is a rumour that JC has alternative business interests:

groups.msn.com/honestjohn/topgearhere.msnw?action=...1

HJ
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Robin Reliant
I don't think we should read too much into Sky cancelling a couple of TG's, they often alter schedules. I doubt if they would show a sense of sympathy that went that far, remembering how the backdrop on Sky news was a continuous loop of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers for almost 24 hours on the day it happened.

I like the format of TG. If I want a roadtest on a car I will buy a magazine or look on the CbC breakdown here. TV can never go into the depth that a printed report does, and the facts and figures that most viewers would be bored to death by need to be absorbed several times before they fully sink in and make sense to anyone thinking about that particular vehicle. Top Gear is good TV, a few general comments on whether they like the car or not and the rest pure motoring based entertainment.


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TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Dalglish
... After three attempts I still cannot get any figures out of the BBC ..

>>

hj: try using the freedom of information act to request the info you want. see below link for details:

www.foi.gov.uk/yourRights/coverageguide.htm

TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Adam {P}
>>However, there is a rumour that JC has alternative business interests:

groups.msn.com/honestjohn/topgearhere.msnw?action=...1


I don't get it.
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Dalglish
I don't get it.


don't worry. hj is trying to get a response out of no-fm2r who hates the term "bic c".

TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Zippy123
Top Gear is the best prog on TV.

Hope the Hampster gets well soon!
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Honestjohn
Not true at all, Dalglish. It's because I think it's funny, and I did not get the snap in the link until August. I think after providing the link above No FM2R might be far more interested in the BBC's reticence to provide any revenue ranking or worldwide viewership figures for Top Gear. I'm certain I read 350 million somewhere, but do't know if it was flannel or not.

HJ
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Pugugly {P}
Plenty of archive stuff (including a full episode) on BBC website, don't think its a conspiracy.

www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/?id=best_topgear
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - henry k
I'm certain I read 350 million somewhere, but do't know if it was flannel or not.
HJ


You can certainly read it elsewhere but I too have no idea if it is flannel.
I hope the following reassures you. .
Google soon throws up the same figure but not the reference to the source.

e.g.
Dare I mention
tinyurl.com/l4xk2
tinyurl.com/g75kv
Top Gear is watched by some 6 million people in the UK and an estimated 350 million people around the world ...

&
www.teamellen.com/en/article.asp?artid=3020

www.c21media.net/news/detail.asp?area=4&article=27...1
says
Top Gear airs globally on channels from Sweden, Poland, Denmark, Russia, Norway, Netherlands and Israel to the Philippines and New Zealand, as well as BBC international channels BBC Prime, BBC Asia and BBC Japan.
That seems an awful lot of viewers.

TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - PoloGirl
James May's column almost made me cry yesterday - it's certainly unusual to get three co-presenters who so obviously get on well when the cameras are off.

I also read in the Daily Mail (not one I'd actually spent money on I hasten to add) that Top Gear are trying to be allowed to show the crash... in a funny way I think that if they showed it when Hammond is recovered and back on the show it would almost be appropriate and bring closure on the whole thing. I doubt they will be allowed to though.

TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Westpig
Top Gear are
trying to be allowed to show the crash... in a funny
way I think that if they showed it when Hammond is
recovered and back on the show it would almost be appropriate
and bring closure on the whole thing. I doubt they will
be allowed to though.


why ever not? We see, for example, dead kids all the time on the t.v., the fact that they are 'somewhere else in the world' doesn't lessen the unpleasantness of it.

We've seen Donald Campbell's crash enough times over the years...and he died.

If a grown up, intelligent man who was involved in the crash and is lucky enough to have survived it...agrees to it being shown....... what on earth is the problem?

Or does some interfering do-gooder wish to control what i watch, purely because they disapprove of the subject matter, despite the fact it is fairly or very popular. I can't see many of us getting out of our armchairs and copying the stunt......maybe a disclaimer at the end of the programme is necessary, something akin to the 'caution this is hot' you get on a cup of steaming coffee nowadays.
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Dalglish
Not true at all, Dalglish. It's because I think it's funny, ..


sorry hj, i should have put a smiley at the end of my post as i was only kidding adam ! :: ;-) ::

TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Adam {P}
Sorry - I thought we were being ironic!
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - No FM2R
I think after providing the link above No FM2R might be far more interested in the BBC's reticence to provide any revenue


Why would I be ? I'd be a bit surprised if they had.

However, seemingly then when you stated it was "one of the blah blah blah", you had no idea whether or not that was an accurate statement. To be clear, I have no interest in whether or not it was accurate, my interest is rather that you stated something as a fact without having any idea that it was other than something you vaguely remembered hearing/reading but couldn't remember where...

Now, how about driving in varifocals...............
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Leif
Clearly the BBC must discontinue programs that promote dangerous behaviour. Given that most fatal and serious accidents occur in the home, that means that reckless broadcasts that promote DIY home renovations should be banned ASAP. In their place we can have programs dedicated to relatively safe pursuits such as driving.

I sometimes turned off the last series of TG out of boredom, but sometimes it was excellent, and now that it has gone, it has been months since I last watched TV. I see nothing worth watching. The best bits were the action stuff, which after all, many of us do anyway. Loads of people race dragsters, climb mountains, skuba dive etc. Clarkson is irritating, and talks rubbish but he is also entertaining. As are his side kicks.

Leif
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - oldgit
Leif, much of what you've said I agree with and my partner (for want of a better term) can't stand JC, in fact loathes him, but in a sharing and caring way if you see what I mean?

I have always looked forward to each new series of TG but the expectations were greater than the actuality of the programme and their content, unfortunately.

However, it seems that we, both, are in the minority and that the great British public, out there, like mayhem as depicted on these shows.
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - Honestjohn
In response to No FM2R

"More than 350m viewers of all ages in at least 20 countries tune in to the show to drool over the fast cars, chuckle at the madcap stunts and laddish japes, and marvel that three grown men pay the bills by driving cars very, very fast and often to the point of destruction." Sunday Times 17-7-06

And:

"Top Gear is watched by some 6 million people in the UK and an estimated 350 million people around the world" Guardian 21-9-06

And:

"BBC Two?s Top Gear programme is presented by Jeremy Clarkson and regularly has an audience of over 5 million viewers each week in the UK alone and an estimated 350 million viewers worldwide in over 90 countries." Ellen McArthur's website

Many thanks to Henry K.

More on varifocals coming up in the column on 18th November.

The question is, was No FM2R wearing varifocals when he failed to read "one of.." in my earlier post? (Anyone who had followed the thread or screen dumped it the moment I made that post will know for sure that it always read "one of".)

HJ
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - No FM2R
>>seemingly then when you stated it was "one of the blah blah blah", you had no idea whether or not that was an accurate statement.

For goodness sakes read. I didn't say that your statement was wrong, although it is dubious. I said that you had no idea of whether or not you were right, despite stating it as a fact.

And your statment in question was "ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR blah blah blah". I pulled you up on that. The fact6 that you didn't know if the 350m was correct or not either is a secondary, alebit confirming, point. You still don't know if that's true or not, you still don't know if 350m is a lot, is the most, or is a long way down the list. You're still waffling on and making "definitive" statements without having any idea of their veracity.


{ 8< SNIP certain comments removed - DD}
TOP GEAR: Repeats Cancelled - No FM2R
>>More on varifocals coming up in the column on 18th November.

To HJ, {Original reference deleted - DD}

Still waiting...............
TG: New series filming today - Group B
According to Yahoo News, filming of the new series has reportedly begun today:

uk.news.yahoo.com/05102006/140/top-gear-revs-hamst...l

"The decision is said to have delighted Hammond, who is continuing his recovery in hospital after surgery on his brain."
"According to reports, Hammond.. ..was furious the BBC had postponed the new series because of his crash.
And the show's executive producer had threatened to quit if he was told to curb the laddish emphasis on speed."
TG: New series filming today - Round The Bend
Good news Rich.

Having seen over the past few days TV programmes such as "Wired in the Blood" & "Cracker" where weird murders take place a plenty without any comment or censorship, the idea of TG being taken off as it "sends the wrong message to viewers" becomes increasingly more irritating. If people really have a problem with TG maybe they should simply move it to a post 9pm slot.
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IanS
TG: New series filming today - Adam {P}
>>Having seen over the past few days TV programmes such as "Wired in the Blood" & "Cracker" where weird murders take place a plenty without any comment or censorship, the idea of TG being taken off as it "sends the wrong message to viewers" becomes increasingly more irritating. If people really have a problem with TG maybe they should simply move it to a post 9pm slot.<<

That is a very good point actually.
TG: New series filming today - Dynamic Dave
According to Yahoo News, filming of the new series has reportedly begun today:


Huh? I thought filming of the next series was already over half way through before Hammonds accident?
TG: New series filming today - Statistical outlier
I presume they mean the studio segments, which are filmed on the Weds before broadcsat IIRC.
TG: New series filming today - Round The Bend
No, its the filmed stuff. Apparently JC is filming a test of the new Lotus Europa today.
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IanS
TG: New series filming today - martint123
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5409608.stm
TG: New series filming today - oldgit
No, its the filmed stuff. Apparently JC is filming a test
of the new Lotus Europa today.
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IanS

Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what sort of in-depth test that'll be then. Tyres all spinning, doughnuts everwhere and plenty of photo-effects. Most illuminating and informative, therefore.
TG: New series filming today - Honestjohn
In response to oldgit.

Hopefully, we'll see.

HJ
TG: New series filming today - Leif
Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what sort of in-depth test that'll be then.
Tyres all spinning, doughnuts everwhere and plenty of photo-effects. Most illuminating
and informative, therefore.


You mean the shots of a car with the top half of the screen red due to use of a sunset filter. Or the quick fade in and out of focus leaving you confused. Or the close up that tells you nothing. All designed to win the cameraperson an award and confuse the hell out of viewers.

At least Fifth Gear can only afford to employ a school leaver on the minimum wage to operate the camera which means that he/she is pleased just to get a car in focus.
TG: New series filming today - oldgit
At least Fifth Gear can only afford to employ a school
leaver on the minimum wage to operate the camera which means
that he/she is pleased just to get a car in focus.


Yes, it's all extremes and as a result we don't really get one decent motoring programme on our telly which informs us about motoring at all.

What a disgrace this is for our modern motoring age in the 21st century?
 

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