Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - geoffken
For my sins I sometimes drive a minibus containing elderly passengers and last Sunday I was turning at a well-known roundabout in Gosforth when a fool pulled onto the mini roundabout in front of me requiring a complete emergency stop.
I indicated by use of the horn his stupidity and lack of knowledge of Highway code.
Some 200 yards later I was stopped by a another young fool in a Panda car who proceeded to berate me for using my horn.
As he must have seen the incident he took the option of berating me rather than pursuing the driver who had caused the incident.

Victim 1 Perpetrator 0

Additionally I pick up a passenger from opposite a well-known food store in Kingston Park.
As she is in a wheel chair it is easier to pick her up at a dropped kerb access.
The owner of a BMW (It would be ) persists on parking on the verges but also completely over the tarmac dropped kerb access from footpath through verge to road.
I have contacted Northumbria Police on no fewer than 7 occasions to try to see if this is legal.
Eventually I am advised that there is no offence being committed
Completely blocking access is not an offence!!!!

Victim 1 perpetrator 0


Finally I have been trying to obtain certain Freedom of information data for 6 months but despite recorded delivery letters to both the Chief Constable and the Chairman of Police authority all I have received is Acknowledgment from the very office about which I have complained.

SWMBO has finally decided that pursuing this will probably mean my Car and I are marked as troublemakers.


Northumbria Police SERVICE ????
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Collos25
As far as the law abiding people of the UK are concerned it is best to work on the premis that the the police are your enemy and are not there to solve crime or stop crime or help you but to carry out the wishes of the PC brigade who run the UK who think that a crime is solved by rewarding culprits and prosecuting victims.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Waino
The problem is that the police are, like education services and hospitals, measured by certain performance criteria - so they take the easiest route to obtain the desired figures.

If you wanted to get your crime figures up, are you going to knock on 'Mr Reasonable's' door, or waste time and risk personal injury chasing 'Mr Don't give a monkeys'?
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - PhilW
"over the tarmac dropped kerb access from footpath through verge to road.
I have contacted Northumbria Police on no fewer than 7 occasions to try to see if this is legal.
Eventually I am advised that there is no offence being committed
Completely blocking access is not an offence!!!!"

That's odd. My daughter parked on a road next to a dropped kerb which was access to a disused and padlocked gate to a park on the street where she lives. There were no yellow lines/parking restrictions. Her car was towed away at about 7am, she thought it had been stolen and it cost her about £150 plus parking fine (for being next to a dropped kerb) to get her car back. This was in Greater London.

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Phil
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Hamsafar
The Police are a law unto themselves these days.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - cheddar
>>Completely blocking access is not an offence!!!!>>

It was where I lived in Surrey, when they introduced a CPZ even I was not allowed to park accross my own drive.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - stevied
Unfortunately, pompous people with low self-esteem are attracted to the police force, so you'll always get muppets like the panda copper you mentioned. I mean, let's be honest, do you think he dreamt as a child of driving a 1.2 Corsa? I think not. The police seem to answer to no-one these days, which I find depressing.

If a copper would care to come and comment on this, and many of the other complaints you get on here, I'd be interested to hear.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Thommo
We do have a few serving officers on here but think they've all given up on the various ACAB threads that pop up.

Suffice to say I am with Mr. Bairsto on this.

If you have a problem sort it yourself. Involving the police only brings more grieve for you. They never do anything useful these days.

They do get excited about PCSO's who they regard as 'policing on the cheap' but the general public perceive both lots as useful and the PCSO's are just cheaper.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Aprilia
I lived next to a policeman for many years, and very educational it was too. He let me in on a few 'inside' secrets. Apparently if on nights and you don't fancy being out and about too much its best to pull a motorist,for some minor offence or other, right near the start of the shift. Then you can spend most of the rest of the shift in the station doing the paperwork.
I also learnt that the police sick leave system is very generous (he had the best garden in our street)!

Anyway, we had a minor dispute over my driveway and 'fell out'. For several months thereafter I received special attention from the local boys in blue (i.e. his mates at the local station). Including a policeman knocking at my door at 10pm one night to tell me that my car was improperly parked on the road right in front of my house (it wasn't). I didn't let this get to me, didn't complain, and was just very very polite when stopped. After a couple of months it happened no more; they lost interest.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Thommo
I'm afraid my relationship with the police soured very young. My worst enemy at school joined the local force and I and any vehicle I owned became the subject of close attention from all his new mates in the local cop shop.

My father had to speak to the High Sheriff of Northampton (and senior mason) who he knew, to get him to speak to the Chief Constable in order to stop me being hounded out of the area.

Had little time for them since.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Dynamic Dave
Groundhog Day?

Not a week goes by without yet another police bashing and ranting thread.

DD.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Aprilia
Well, perhaps people could post some 'good news' stories about the police to balance things up?

I have had limited interaction with the BiB - I have never been arrested for example, nor been interviewed as a witness. However the few times that I've reported things (about 5 times - including 2 times where I was actually witnessing a crime) I was met with what seemed to be disinterest. Like the time we had some 'joyriders' racing around in the field behind our house. I reported this at 2am. A policeman turned up at 8am. Not much to see then, apart from two wrecked and abandoned cars.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - midlifecrisis
Yawn!!! Could someone tell me where these mythical stations are where you get to sit on your backside all night. Sounds really nice. No, guess I'll have to stay at my place where I'm lucky to get a fifteen minute break during a twelve hour shift.

I don't mind, it's part of the job. Neither do the other four offcers with me who between us, cover 500 square miles. When they issue us with a tardis each, we might be able to get to everything!!

As to the person who started this thread...you sound a right bundle of fun! :)
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Pugugly {P}
I indicated by use of the horn his stupidity and lack of knowledge of Highway code

I knw I'm nitpicking here but the Highway Code is quite clear about where and when a horn should be used, not defending the account given of the other parties' actions though.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - midlifecrisis
My thoughts exactly. It's not a tool to signify your annoyance!
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - tyro
Not nitpicking at all, PU.

He could equally well have written "I indicated by use of the horn my lack of knowledge of Highway code."
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Lud
PU, mlc and tyro: apart from police and fire sirens, one hardly ever hears a horn in this country. In some places I've been it dominates traffic noise completely, and Lagos taxi drivers are on the thing all the time, often beating out complex syncopated patterns to warn careless pedestrians of their approach.

But what I want to say here is, do we give a damn if someone who's just been cut up leans on the horn in a fit of annoyance? I certainly don't. Have a heart!

It may be you next time. Or will you control yourselves and sidle out of yr motors at the next lights for a silent, sinister citizen's arrest?
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Lud
Or just arrest in mlc's case...
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Pugugly {P}
You're not wrong.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - stevied
Absolutely. What Lud puts politely I will put more bluntly: stop pushing your weight around and save your powers for those that deserve them.

I personally don't care if the person who wrote this thread "sounds like a bundle of fun". He, like many others, has a negative image of the police force. It's a huge problem and one you ignore at your peril. Maybe he was wrong, judging by the highway code comments, yes he probably was... but tell me you have never leaned on the horn to indicate annoyance? Jeez..... you too sound like "a bundle of fun".
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - stevied
Sorry chaps, meant tp put a : ) at the end..... I know it's not a lot, but I wasn't being as pompous as I sounded if that makes any sense.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Pugugly {P}
Maybe I should have put a :-) there as well.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Westpig
stevied,

If you were, say, a hotel reception clerk (i've chosen this profession as the first one that came into my head) and you were dealing with someone that came across as:

angry, sarcastic, wanted to tell you how you should do your job despite knowing sod all about it, wanted to inform you that they pay your wages as a most unsubtle hint as to how they expect to be dealt with, will be making a formal complaint at the earliest opportunity, knew the Hotel owner personally etc, etc... may i hazard a guess you would book them into the pink fluffy dice little room you had and might 'forget' to book them in to dinner.... and that possibly you might save your most gracious manner for the guest who was polite, reasonable, pleasant etc.

the police equivalent is to 'put you in the book' even if it is minor. It is called failing the attitude test. Parliament makes the laws, the police are supposed to uphold them, even the minor ones. What you're expecting is the discretion to kick in...... which is unlikley if you're unpleasant isn't it.

It's the same with many other professions. I always hold my tongue if i want something and someone else has the power to prevent it happening....... recently had to do it with a service utility.....irritating, but a necessary part of life.

Most other parts of the world you'd have a 'shooter' up your nostril anyway.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - midlifecrisis
Well said Westpig!

And yes I do occasionally toot my horn, but then I don't pontificate about others either. I don't rant on about others and I don't spend my days writing letters if someone happens to pee me off!
And I did put a :) at the end of mine! :)
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Robbie
Unfortunately, the perception of many people is that the Police do not appear to be effective. I'm not having a go at the Police as I had lots of connections with the Police in the past, and my brother was a serving police office when he died.

It seems that they are now working to some form of political agenda rather than fighting crime, and, whatever the politicians may say, there are insufficient numbers of policemen around. I hardly ever see a police car when I'm travelling - the week before last I only saw a couple of police vehicles that were attending an accident on the A34 south of Oxford. I didn't see one police vehicle on my return from Dorset to Lancashire via the A31, M27, A34, M40, M42, and M6. It's almost as if they are a near extinct species.

Is it any wonder that people will vent their frustration by attacking the Police when, seemingly, no action is taken against criminals.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Dalglish
ok, let's play devils' advocate:
For my sins I sometimes drive a minibus containing elderly passengers and last Sunday I was turning at a
well-known roundabout in Gosforth when a fool pulled onto the mini roundabout in front of me requiring a
complete emergency stop.

>>

i was driving along minding my own business when out of nowhere a dozy careless driver of a minibus carrying elderly passengers suddenly appeared from nowhere going at supersonic speed (trying to beat richard hammond's record, no doubt), and then suddenly saw me and i had to speed up to avoid him running in to my back, and the fool luckily managed to see me and brake in time to avoid rear-ending my car.

I indicated by use of the horn his stupidity and lack of knowledge of Highway code.

>>
the stupid careless fool in the minibus then had the cheek to blow his horn at me. i kept calm and drove on.
Some 200 yards later I was stopped by a another young fool in a Panda car who proceeded to berate me for
using my horn.

>>
fortunately, an alert police officer in a panda car saw what had happened and had a few gentle words with the fool in the minibus to help him improve his manners and the safety of his and other other road users.
As he must have seen the incident he took the option of berating me rather than pursuing the driver who had
caused the incident.

>>
but i could see that the fool in the minibus was ranting and raving and taking no heed of the advice being offered to him by the kind police officer.
Additionally I pick up a passenger from opposite a well-known food store in Kingston Park.
As she is in a wheel chair it is easier to pick her up at a dropped kerb access.
The owner of a BMW (It would be ) persists on parking on the verges but also completely over the tarmac
dropped kerb access from footpath through verge to road.


i am the owner of a bmw and have taken to parking it outside my house across the dropped kerb to stop a fool in a minibus who thinks that the dropped kerb outside my house is for his benefit to pick up his passengers.
I have contacted Northumbria Police on no fewer than 7 occasions to try to see if this is legal.
Eventually I am advised that there is no offence being committed. Completely blocking access is not an
offence!!!!


the fool in the minibus has apaprently tried to report me to the police but has been told to chill out or his blood pressure will get him in to trouble.
Finally I have been trying to obtain certain Freedom of information data for 6 months but despite recorded
delivery letters to both the Chief Constable and the Chairman of Police authority all I have received is
Acknowledgment from the very office about which I have complained.

>>

my contacts in the police tell me that the fool in the minibus is nuisance and has taken to writing to the all and sundry using the crap freedom of information act to waste valuable police time in seeking information about trivial nonsense.
SWMBO has finally decided that pursuing this will probably mean my Car and I are marked as troublemakers.

>>

i know the fool's wife is a sensible woman, and i hope she will knock some sense in to this raving loony. he is a danger to the public and he should be stopped from being in charge of the elderly passengers in his minibus.

Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Pugugly {P}
oh dear. :-(
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - stevied
Come back to this after a curry.

My considered response: westpi and mlf, yes I do see your points. Honestly, I do. If I take nothing else away from this debate, it will be to see people more as human beings. I think that's a fair point.

It won't necessarily make me less irritated by what I (and I mean I and not what is necessarily the truth) I PERCEIVE as priggishness but as with any job, there's good eggs with the bad. More good than bad, I sincerely hope, and if I am honest I do believe there is more good than bad in the police force.

I should be grateful living where I do, the police are very good.... understaffed, over-stressed and often grumpy but hey, so am I.

And, a final point to MLF... yes I saw your : ) hence the inclusion of mine!!! : ) again to make my point.

I hope that this is a considered answer. Curry is a good thought-provoker, evidently. And, no, I am sober before you ask. I drove, stupidly!

Thought provoking curry house is on Welsh Row, Nantwich... maybe we should have a meet there!
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - kithmo
Not a dig at Geoffken, but TBH I have a lower opinion of minbus drivers than I do of the police. There's one who picks up a lad with downes syndrome every morning just up the road from where I live and instead of driving up the road so the van door is toward the kerb, he comes down the road so his passenger has to walk out into the middle of the narrow road to board the minibus. Another one who picks up an elderly woman on another road round the corner on some mornings always double parks while he waits for her to come out of the house. This road has a 300m straight stretch on which there is a sole car parked opposite where this woman lives, her drive is 25m long so it's not as if she couldn't walk another car length to alight the minibus, but he still insists on blocking the road until she has got on. Seems to me that a lot of minibus drivers are inexperienced at handling a large vehicle and IMO they should have to take a PSV test.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Westpig
Is it any wonder that people will vent their frustration by
attacking the Police when, seemingly, no action is taken against criminals.


Fairly understandable........but.......you're having a pop at the wrong people if you do this.

liken it to the harrassed check in clerk at the airport when there's a delay........ her fault? probably not.

Over the last 10 years policing has been politicised quite badly......Chief Constables no longer have the autonomy they used to and various targets/working practices have been imposed which has meant that traditional policing methods have gone out of the window completely.

Priority crimes are at the forefront and other crimes are UTTERLY IGNORED.

Furthermore this is why up to 5m people are driving around with no insurance, poor driving standards on our roads are increasingly becoming the norm, people fail to attend court, pay their fines, etc etc.

You can have 60 police officers on a unit to tackle street crime ('robbery person' or mugging as it is more commonly known) when there's only 2-3 a day in that area........ yet when you eventually report your 'minor' crime there is no investigation whatsoever because it is 'screened out, before you get home, because there is no one even available to deal with that type of crime.

Don't forget that the Old Bill all live somewhere and have to put up with this as well........ it is thoroughly disheartening and demoralising to see the mickey taking 'oik' get away with it day after day..... but.... you can only work with the tools that you've got and are required to follow the often fast changing instructions of our elected parliamentarians and the mandarins at the Home Office...... it is like trying to run in quick sand.

and then to top it all, the public blames you!
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Vin {P}
As far as I can see it, it doesn't matter whether the criticism is just. What matters is that the public have lost their love of the Police. Impressions DO matter, and many law-abiding people now regard the Police as their enemies. This is one of the saddest things that has come to pass in my lifetime. I wish I knew a simple answer; I suspect there isn't one.

V
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Micky
The police should be more noticeable and more approachable, that means more officers on the beat and more marked patrol cars. Unfortunately, the police and many other organisations funded by our tax money have forgotten who pays the bill. The ludicrous confrontation between the Home Secretary and various police forces in 2005/6 regarding mergers was paid for by me!! And other tax payers of course ;-)
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Zippy123
The police.

Six months ago the wifes car was vandalised. Caught on CCTV. To this date the police have not asked to see the tape. Confirmed by owners of CCTV system.

My car was parked and subject to a hit and run. I was the one who had to produce my documents.

Every Friday and Saturday night I travelled home when I was young I was pulled over and brethalysed, without fail. I never drove if I had a drink. I did not realise at the time they had to have suspision first.

Quite a few years ago now. Sitting in the car one night for a break in a long drive home, chose a quiet road and turned the engine off. Got the thermos out and helped myself to some luke warm Earl Grey. Moments later a van and an unmarked car pull up and a number of "officers" draged me out of the car. They searched me and the car then cursed at me for wasting their time!

Brother was arrested for assulting his ex wife. He was out of the country on holiday at the time, with a dozen witnesses - he went with a group from work. (Allegedly her new boyfriend did it, but they thought it would be fun to get my brother!) The police did not want to know. He was the culprit and they would make it stick. Thank goodness for solicitors and sensible magistrates who bothered to look at the evidance that the police and CPS did not care about, like holiday tickets, holiday photos, mobile phone calls from abroad etc. His ex has never been prosectuted for wasting police time.

Then there is still the case of the police shooting dead of a naked man in his own bedroom (obvisiously not armed) and the loss of a £100k Merc from the police station carpark.

The polcie.....I would not give them the time of day.

Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Zippy123
Polcie...where is the edit button? ;-)
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Dwight Van Driver
Not disputing what Geoffken posted but are there not two sides to a story? Plausible scenario from the other side?

Could it be that Plod did not actually witness the actions of the vehicle causing his emergency stop and only became aware through the possible braking followed after a very short interval of time of the blast of the horn? The emergency stop action would take precedence over horn that would be an afterthought and by which time the offending vehicle gone. Without the first action registering then his training would refer him to Reg 99 MV (Con and Use) Regs 1984 - offence to sound the horn of a vehicle whilst stationary at any time other that at time of danger due to another moving vehicle - max fine GBP2500 (Goods vehicle or more than 8 passengers) or GBP 1000 (any other case). The danger had ceased when horn sounded so technically offence committed.

There is no mention that GK was able to supply Plod with the VRM of the offending vehicle and I would doubt in between braking, sounding horn he had the acumen to record, so nothing for Plod to chase up.

Presumably GK mentioned the incident and as a result was not sheeted for the offence he committed.

Fair play Northumbria?.

On parking opposite a dropped kerb. This is a specific offence under an Act particular to London and IIRC if done without the consent of the occupier of the premises the dropped kerb leads to. Other that an infringement contrary to an offence under a CPZ and yellow line parking restriction then one has to look elsewhere for an offence out in the sticks. There is no London Act covering Gosforth as far as I am aware so one must look at one of three other Acts:

Highways Act 1980 Sect 137
MV (Con and Use) Regs 1984 Reg 103 and
Town Police Clauses Act, 1847, Sect 28

for obstruction of the Highway and which boils down to a question of fact and degree on the obstruction for Magistrates to decide. They take into account:

The length of time the obstruction continued.
The place where it occurred.
The purpose for which it was done.
Whether it caused an actual as opposed to a potential obstruction


Without knowing the full facts and matters appertaining at the time of the alleged offence I cannot quibble with the decision of Northumbria Police, who again may be playing fair.

One thing I can say and MLF and Full Chat will be aware is that Plod can insult a driver?s wife (not that they would of course being masters of discretion) and nothing is said but pull him upon HIS driving and one is treading on dangerous grounds and all hell can be let loose. Two rules seem to apply:

Rule 1: Plod is always wrong.
Rule 2. Even if Plod is right Rule 1 applies.

But there again it may well have been a right bent liar of copper that now fills the majority of Police Forces in the eyes of some and which others and I know is absolute rubbish.


And that old hoary not catching criminals- wise up folks. Home Office cannot keep up with the productivity of Plod. Prisons are bursting at the seams and it is not those that have failed to sign their Driving Licence.

The main problem I see is that the Police do not defend themselves. Many an incident not to the favour of Joe Public has a plausible explanation from Plod but it is not explained. Yet again there is the saying that society gets the Police it deserves. The more I read the more I believe.

dvd
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Fullchat
" Then there is still the case of the police shooting dead of a naked man in his own bedroom (obvisiously not armed "

Obvious to who ?? PC Hindsight.

This thread has degenerated once again. I'll say nothing. I sometimes wonder why its in my favourites.
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Fullchat
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Zippy123
Obvious to who ?? PC Hindsight.

Not at all. CPS did prosecute but no one was found guilty of murder, due to lack of evidence. The victim was known as a criminal and the police went in armed. However, the victim did not have a weapon and therefore should not have been shot no matter how obnoxious he may have been during the arrest. There were four very experianced officers in the room, they should have been able to overcome him without shooting the guy.

If the police do not get prosecuted for manslaugther when they accidently kill someone, there is a chance that accidental killings will increase. It is not PC to think like that, it is common sense. Just because they are the police, does not make them above the law, though imho, many do act like they are.

I do not believe the DeMenzes (sp) police should have escaped manslaughter prosecution for the same reason. They were not because other armed officers threatened to come off fire arms duty if they were.

From my experience and the experience of my family, I do not trust the police. As I have stated above, I have been pulled out of a car for just parking up in a side road at an early hour. I don?t know if a resident called it in or not, but I was doing nothing wrong, so why should I be treated as if I where. Then to get no explanation or apology, just criticism for being there!

Other people in this thread have also commented on their less than happy relationships with the police where they have allegedly abused their power.

How can it be PC to want a better police? We pay for it after all.


Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Big Bird
On the other side of the debate (am I the only one?)

My dealings with BiB:

the odd ticket (failure to display, bald tyre) when young (but still should have known better) - polite cops , jobsworths but since I was bang to rights - why moan.

the odd let off having passed the attitiude test, inlcuding a 20 min dressing down for speeding down the A30, (over 60 in a 30 - I think the cop was just wanted to give me a real mouthful and work off some stress), and a telling off over speeding but the cop was training a new guy on the radar gun - in both cases I felt about 2 inches high, but got off so why moan

breathalysed about 4 times in 5 years on way home after seeing night shift at work, but driving home at midnight or thereabouts there's probably a few drunks on the road. Cops were polite but 'in my face' pushy every time and every time there was an imagined reason to stop me, ( I'm sure I indicated on the roundabout officer) but if thats what they do to catch the drunks, why moan.

last but not least in several crashes they have been true stars, got the sitiuation under control, kept everyone safe, opened the road fairly quickly and made sure all the details were exchanged.
Yes I got a producer or two, but again if that's what it takes to catch the bad guys - why moan.

Just about everyone hates authority being exerted over them, but wants it used on everyone else. The police just have to smile (or grimace)and get on with it.

Dan

Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Dwight Van Driver
Dan, Dan your my man.

Whatever you are on can you pass it around to some of the others.

dvd
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - piggy
Personally,I think the police do a good job.Don`t forget they often put their lives on the line to maintain our personal safety etc. Just ask yorselves what life would be like without them.O.K.,I`m probably biased (one of my brothers is a retired CID officer)but it`s patently obvious that chaos would ensue.
I live in an area where over -emphasis is placed on exceeding the 70MPH limit,but it`s hardly the fault of the poor officer who`s told by his superiors to sit on slip roads (A55 expressway).
I have two SP60`s on my licence,but it would be unfair to blame the individual officers who stopped me,they were whithout exeption polite and professional,and I was exceeding the speed limit.
Yes,there are lazy time servers,but they can be found in every job.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Pugugly {P}
Got stopped on the way home tonight, told it was because I was speeding (which I was 75-78 in a 70) got breathalysed. No producer and let on my way (I don't drink and drive). All perfectly polite (by cops unknown to me) and exactly as it should be, Held me up what ? 10 minutes or less.

As to raking up the Sussex case further up the thread all I can say is from what I read (actual law reports and not redtops) the case was investigated and presented in court and er....hello 12 wise people found them not guilty.

Most ARV cops I speak to dread taking a shot. The stress of that investigation is unimaginable. Its only recently that armed cops get paid a little bit extra for the risks they run something like £1500 quid a year ask yourself would you do it ? As I said in a previous thread take a chance and go out there to see what it's really like on any night of the week, people outside the CJS have no clue, really they haven't.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Westpig
The police.
Six months ago the wifes car was vandalised. Caught on CCTV.
To this date the police have not asked to see the
tape. Confirmed by owners of CCTV system.


This is because it will not be investigated, no one will even look at the crime report, it is a recording exercise only. See my previous comments. Not the fault of individuals, but the system that has been implemented and encouraged by Govt. Complain to the right people.
My car was parked and subject to a hit and run.
I was the one who had to produce my documents.


Your car was on a road and under the Road Traffic Act 1988, an Act of Parliament implemented by Members of Parliament, you have to show your documentation, because the legislation says "if owing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road.....".......if you don't like this moan to the legislators, not those paid to enforce it
Every Friday and Saturday night I travelled home when I was
young I was pulled over and brethalysed, without fail. I never
drove if I had a drink. I did not realise at
the time they had to have suspision first.


Any uniformed police officer can pull over any motor vehicle at any time (at random if they wish) to check to see if there is insurance or the driver has a driving licence.......once this has happened, then suspicion for drink/driving can be ascertained i.e. you would no doubt have had glazed eyes, smelt slightly of drink and probably admitted it. The other element is a Moving Traffic Offence can mean a breathaliser without the reasonable supicion,which could be literally anything inc 31mph in a 30mph limit (who hasn't done that)
Quite a few years ago now. Sitting in the car one
night for a break in a long drive home, chose a
quiet road and turned the engine off. Got the thermos out
and helped myself to some luke warm Earl Grey. Moments later
a van and an unmarked car pull up and a number
of "officers" draged me out of the car. They searched me
and the car then cursed at me for wasting their time!


your tax payers money being spent on crime prevention....... the alternative was they could have been sat on their backsides drinking their luke warm Earl Grey in the police station ...... if two vehs turned up, the chances are someone called up anyway, so they were responding to a call from the public...what they are paid for,by you.
Brother was arrested for assulting his ex wife. He was out
of the country on holiday at the time, with a dozen
witnesses - he went with a group from work. (Allegedly her
new boyfriend did it, but they thought it would be fun
to get my brother!) The police did not want to know.
He was the culprit and they would make it stick. Thank
goodness for solicitors and sensible magistrates who bothered to look at
the evidance that the police and CPS did not care about,
like holiday tickets, holiday photos, mobile phone calls from abroad etc.
His ex has never been prosectuted for wasting police time.


it is not unheard of in some situations, for the perpetrator to go to enormous lenghts to have an alibi inc going on holiday, coming back by another means, doing the assault etc then going back to the holiday and returning 'as normal'. Some people can be most unpleasant, sneaky etc. I don't suggest your brother is, but how do the police know that? If they got it wrong, then your tax payers money was spent on a thorough investigation and the system worked because your brother was not found guilty.
Then there is still the case of the police shooting dead
of a naked man in his own bedroom (obvisiously not armed)
and the loss of a £100k Merc from the police station
carpark.


convicted armed robber, with a long history of violence, known access to firearms and known to fight when cornered....needs arresting. What would you be thinking when you're sneaking up the stairs, in the dark, wondering if your missus will be going to your funeral. No doubt adrenalin would be rushing, fear etc. Hardly surprising if the odd mistake is made in those circs.......especially if he leaped out of bed, i should imagine it would cause enormous concern to the police officers.
The polcie.....I would not give them the time of day.


not very helpful, when the only alternative is complete anarchy......... can you name another place in the world that does it better? If there are some they are few and far between.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Collos25
convicted armed robber, with a long history of violence, known access to firearms and known to fight when cornered....needs arresting. What would you be thinking when you're sneaking up the stairs, in the dark, wondering if your missus will be going to your funeral. No doubt adrenalin would be rushing, fear etc. Hardly surprising if the odd mistake is made in those circs.......especially if he leaped out of bed, i should imagine it would cause enormous concern to the police officers.

If they had someone with a brain cell running the operation and used available equipment and just a little inteligence they would not have to be sneaking up some staircase .But alas common sense braincells are in short in the hierarchy of the police.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Westpig
how on earth do you work that one out......... i suspect you've been watching too much t.v........

he's got to be arrested at some point..........is it safer in his home or out on the street with the public milling about. Much safer if 4am in the morning when most normal people are asleep, but unelss you've got covert cameras in there, how would you know what he's up to ...............
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Collos25
No use for TV, radio yes.I do not think the full outcome is in print yet but I think you will find that this was one hell of a bodged operation.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Westpig
you may well be right.......... but these things are not as easy to deal with as you'd imagine.......... hindsight is a wonderful thing...........there are some truly awful people out there and the bottom line is this...... faced with someone who has no respect for law and order, is violent, carries guns habitually, has a long violent criminal history etc........if you're the one going in to arrest him and he could be anywhere in the house (because all the surveillance equipment is expensive, few and far between, needs specially trained staff to use and needs authorities to use etc) then faced with a potential choice of who isn't going to go home tonight, which one is it to be?
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Dynamic Dave
And now back to motoring discussion please.

DD.
Northumbria Police 3 Good PR 0 - Collos25
Totally agree sorry
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Pugugly {P}
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/5382690.stm


Another example of the Police "doing nothing"
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Pugugly {P}
In case my sarcasm was lost, they were doing something.
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Adam {P}
Yeah we got it!
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Manatee
Good for Brunstrom.
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Westpig
i remember seeing a video once......it was a while back.....of the aftermath, where a lorry had gone down a steep hill and the brakes had failed, due to lack of maintenance......

it had basically reached a T junction at the bottom, gone straight on...entered a hair salon, gone right through everyone and everything in the shop and virtually came out the back...

I don't always agree with Richard Brunstrom, but he's right on this one
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - bell boy
its very easy to find a fault with a wagon though if you really want to as most of them are working all the time.........it could be something as minor as a number plate bulb rather than the back axle falling off.
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Pugugly {P}
42 mechanical defects, 80% were to do with the brakes, most of the rest tyres

· 12 overloaded vehicles (including two passenger coaches, one Irish and the other Polish)

· 28 drivers? hours offences (heavy goods vehicle drivers have very strict laws to ensure that they do not drive for too long, and take adequate rest breaks - the law is regularly ignored by the unscrupulous end of the trade)

· 9 other serious offences - eg deliberately preventing the tachograph from operating


According to the man's blog.
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Pugugly {P}
On the 174 vehicles we found a total of 146 offences, and we issued a total of 91 prohibitions (this prevents a dangerously illegal vehicle from moving until the defect has been rectified). To be clear, this means that over 50% of the vehicles stopped were too dangerous to allow them to continue

Should have pasted that as well.
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - bell boy
fair enough mr p :) bad results then i agree
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Lud
Phew. And it all started with someone hooting on a roundabout and a teenage plod giving a very upright driver a mouthful...

Amazing how one thing leads to another isn't it? 'The beat of a butterfly's wing...' Bit like the first world war really.
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Pugugly {P}
Yes the ripples in the lake from Princip's bullet.
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Lud
Yes PU, my very point... I'm trying not to think about what may be in the pipeline though.
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Westpig
Blimey, you two are cheery souls...... are we to expect WWIII soon?
North Wles Police 91 Good PR 91 - Pugugly {P}
it has.
 

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