An article in todays Telegraph states "more than 100,000 motorists have each been fined more than £1500 in the past 9 months as part of a crackdown on tax avoidance". It also states that "80,000 motorists were hit with CCJ's". It appears that any driver failing to pay the £80 first fine, can result in the DVLA applying for a CCJ, which would then result in a minimum fine of £1550! Worse still, these CCJ's will be taken into account for any other credit, mortgages, prospective employers, etc, for up to 6 years after. I do not remember reading about this new twist when the crackdown all started.
Regards to you all Chris.
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replace the words "worse still" with "better still". Good.
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Personally I think persistent offenders should be subject to more suitable penalties:
either hanging drawing and quartering
or tarring and feathering.
:-)
madf
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or maybe a combination?
hanging, tarring and feathering
or
possible my favourite, tarring, feathering, then drawing, quatering, then hanging, over maybe 3-4 days.
with hotdogs and a beer tent.
nice weekend ;-)
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DD,
I can feel a poll of the week coming on !
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CCJ's are only effective against those who have good credit histories and and use the mainstream finance companies for any borrowing. Those who play by the rules, in other words.
Your average car tax dodger probably spends life on the margins of society, has a drawer full of CCJ's and couldn't get credit anywhere, or even a cheque book or card. Impounding the vehicle on the spot would be the most effective answer.
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Quite. Many offenders are not the registered keepers anyway - the way to do it if you want to park wherever you like, ignore speed limits, and drive with no tax or insurance. The fundamentally law abiding, transgressing in a minor way, are far easier targets - a simple fact of motoring life.
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My experience of recovering money by means of a CCJ just meant that I got my money and costs paid by the person I was claiming against. I don't see where a 'fine' comes into it. A CCJ, so far as I know, is just a means of recovering a debt. At a slight tangent, what are the legal implications of impounding, crushing or confiscating a car which may belong to a finance or leasing company and not the offending individual?
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I agree impound the car there and then and if they are 200 miles from home with there family in the car hard luck!
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oops! should be their not there
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The fundamentally law abiding, transgressing in a minor way, are far easier targets - a simple fact of motoring life.
So on that premise we should scrap all laws and let anarchy rule (oxymoron I know )
As regards dumping a family out of its car 200 miles away from home should not happen under DVLA guidelines. Their contractors are pretty professional - I have had dealings with them.
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">>The fundamentally law abiding, transgressing in a minor way, are far easier targets - a simple fact of motoring life.
>So on that premise we should scrap all laws and let anarchy rule (oxymoron I know )"
Of course not. I made an observation, possibly a statement of the bloomin' obvious, but that's all. If it was an easy problem to solve it might have been done by now. Those who simply do not acknowledge the rules are not only more difficult to catch, but suffer less from the available sanctions - I dare say disqualification would be a disaster for you, as it would be for me, but less so for the unlicensed, uninsured, un-taxed and un-MOT'd driver who ran into me a few years ago.
Crushing cars, or dumping families 200 miles from home, wouldn't work anyway - many of the cars are of low value and the offenders don't plan to get caught in any case (and might take desperate and dangerous measures to avoid it).
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Manatee,
Ah clarity kicks in (for me) and I couldn't agree more. Its due to these care-less people that prosecution with no discretion becomes a catch all. (well catch some anyway). I have increasing numbers turning up in Courts these days and more and more of them captured by automated means. I saw a rare sight today a traffic car having stopped a car, the Officer (with whom I am acquainted) was talking to a chav type. I remember he remarked to me some months ago "you have to be very unlucky to be booked by a Traffic cop these days" hopefully it was chavman's unlucky day.
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