I have refusd to buy two otherwise superb cars becuase they smelled like ashtrays. After driving one car which had previously been used by a heavy smoker, I simply won't do it again. I replaced the carpets, had the seats retrimmed and cleaned the headlining several times with several different cleaners. After thee years, the car still had a smell of cigarettes.
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Reformed smokers are always the harshest critics, and I tend to discount their opinions - sorry Malteser.
I have not smoked in my cars (aside from just lighting up on a windy day) for many years, purely because cleaning the interior became such a pain/impossible.
Those who think squash is competitive should watch flower-arranging.
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I smoke in car. When doing so the window is open and all the smoke gets sucked out there. Hence car has no sooty windows nor does it smell
The fag end and ash goes out the window too, ashtray never been used. Only, I hasten to add when there is no biker behind me - and yes i do check.
PG you get car sick? Look at the thread "dog in car" (now dont take offence!!) get your partner to play with you, make your trips exciting etc etc (thats a joke btw)
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The fag end and ash goes out the window too, ashtray never been used. Only, I hasten to add when there is no biker behind me - and yes i do check.
Why, might I ask? What do you think the ashtray is for?
Why should other people have to suffer seeing your rubbish floating around our roads?
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I am a sharing kind of person.
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Simple answer to the ash and dog ends out of the window is - because we drive on the left.
Most people are right handed, so it easier and probably safer to flick the ash and the dog end out of the window than to lean over to the ashtray which is in the centre of the car.
Apparently the most common cause of car fire in the UK is chucked out dog ends. At 50 mph or more they can be sucked into the air intake, up onto the filter where the high airflow causes the dog end to glow bright enough to ignite the filter medium, which is paper. That sets the plastic filter housing alight, usually stopping the engine or at least causing a bad misfire. The driver stops and opens the bonnet, making the fire worse by adding more air.
Fire isn't a big issue (except to the victims of course!). Last stats I saw said that less than 1% of insurance claims concerned both fires and water related problems combined.
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Any smoker who gets into my car has no option: if he /she wants to smoke, they can walk...
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Very kind of you, I'm sure.
I've often wondered what it is that makes car-borne smokers feel throwing their fag ends out of the window is any more acceptable than any other form of littering.
For that matter, pedestrian smokers seem to feel that it's fine to drop their butt on the floor, rather than findign a receptacle.
Yet, when I go to a smokers house, their floors and gardens aren't covered in cigarette ash and butts, I wonder why that is?
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I removed a bit of trim the other day and suddenly realised that my Omega must have belonged to a smoker in the past. The foam behind the trim absolutely stank of cigarette smoke.
What's odd is that in four years of ownership I've never noticed a hint of a smell in the car itself. Weird. I wonder if it was Neutradolled (I love verbing nouns) before I owned it.
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My previous 5 series used to belong to a cigar smoker for 6 years before I bought it from him. When I test drove the car the ashtray testified to the fact that he smoked in the car.
However after a good valet there wasn't even a whiff of an odour. I think a leather interior helps - the odour seems to permeate into cloth interiors and are then much harder to shift.
Chad.
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"I've often wondered what it is that makes car-borne smokers feel throwing their fag ends out of the window is any more acceptable than any other form of littering."
Dont want fag ends littering up my car. Car ashtrays are not made or suitable for the job for which they are named.
"For that matter, pedestrian smokers seem to feel that it's fine to drop their butt on the floor, rather than findign a receptacle."
No receptacle on the streets. To use a bin would start a fire
"Yet, when I go to a smokers house, their floors and gardens aren't covered in cigarette ash and butts, I wonder why that is?"
Because the home has ashtrays.
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"Yet, when I go to a smokers house, their floors and gardens aren't covered in cigarette ash and butts, I wonder why that is?" Because the home has ashtrays.
Chewing gum is left all all over the pavements and the entrances to schools, yet there are pleanty of bins. I don't think I've seen it on peoples carpets at home.
Its nothing to do with ashtrays, if they were on every street corner there would still be fag ends all over the ground.
If it wasn't for the government making so much money from the tax, fags wouldn't be legal.
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Like RF, I have no problem with any tobacco odours in the car because I always open the window and make sure I am never smoking just prior to parking up. SWMBO doesn't smoke and won't let me smoke in her car, but when I have borrowed it I do light up. She has a nose that can detect tobacco smoke at five miles, yet she has never noticed. Never used the ashtray in any car I have owned, ash and dog-ends (biodegradeable) go out the window, but not fag packets or wrappers.
Experienced smokers can pop a fag in the mouth and light it with minimal disruption to their driving. Much less so than poncing about with radios, cd players, air con settings and all the other fiddley gadgets cars contain nowadays.
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Never used the ashtray in any car I have owned, ash and dog-ends (biodegradeable) go out the window, but not fag packets or wrappers.
Newspapers are biodegradable, can I start throwing them out of my window then?
It's the only justification I've heard for doing this, and it's terribly weak. Yes it'll biodegrade, but in the meantime, we've all got to look at the rubbish that you've decided is OK to litter with.
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Never used the ashtray in any car I have owned, ash and dog-ends (biodegradeable) go out the window, but not fag packets or wrappers.
Biodegradable only if they're not tipped. The filter can take many months to degrade. imo throwing them out of a car window should be classed as littering and attract the same £1000 penalty. That would help to pay for road sweepers.
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Biodegradable only if they're not tipped. The filter can take many months to degrade.
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Make that YEARS to degrade.
Filter tips certainly survive my making compost from leaves gathered in my front garden. Thanks to all the passing fag brigade who lob their butts my way.
I am a non smoker. When searching for a S/H car earlier in the year I visited one main dealers site to view his stock. Several cars, although polished outside, when I just opened the door the smell was so awful it was simply a case of walk away.
I cannot believe that having the car window open gets rid of the smell on clothes and hair. I have one car salesman friend who smokes only outside and he smells of smoke. UGH.
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Forgive my ignorance but is the red hot stub dangerous to tyres if you drive over it? I was driving behind someone this morning, who, rather thoughtfully threw his lit cigarette out of the window. I'm sure it isn't dangerous to tyres given that a) you're driving over it and b) you're going so quick but I just thought I'd ask.
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no problem with your car hitting lit dog ends. The weight of the tyre instantly puts them out. You could actually leave a lit dog end on a tyre and it will leave the smallest mark on the tyre, as the huge surface area of the tyre disipates the heat from the small surface area of the fag.
Rubber is suprisingly hard to get burning and usually needs an accelerant or fuel agent to get going.
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Oh good. Cheers RF. Smoke all you want in your cars then!
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A far more serious hazard imo are the people who find it necessary to drench themselves in perfume or cover their bodies in powerful-smelling talcs etc..
These are guaranteed to give me sore/wet eyes + headache within a few minutes in the company of such *men and women*.
Don't even ask about hairspray or freshly permed hair!
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A far more serious hazard imo are the people who find it necessary to drench themselves in perfume or cover their bodies in powerful-smelling talcs etc.. These are guaranteed to give me sore/wet eyes + headache within a few minutes in the company of such *men and women*.
Rather that than be forced into a confined space with someone who has yet to discover deodorant, surely?
Don't even ask about hairspray or freshly permed hair!
I know 80s fashions have made a bit of a comeback recently, but surely noone still has their hair permed? Blimey...
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>>I know 80s fashions have made a bit of a comeback recently, but surely noone still has their hair permed? Blimey...<<
You've upset me now - I got told everyone would like me more if I permed mine...apparently not ;-)
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I've never smoked, so I've never smoked in any of my cars. I didn't used to mind tobacco smoke in pubs, buses etc. More recently, however, I worked for some time with a very heavy smoker who used a particularly acrid tobacco in roll-your-owns, with the result that I now resent being subjected to other people's smoke.
Cheers, Sofa Spud
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P.S. Yesterday I was followed along the A36 at 50-60 mph by a bloke who was talking on his mobile, held in his left hand, while he had a cigarette wedged between the fingers of his right hand, which was holding the steering wheel.
Cheers, SS
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It's the hot coffee balanced between his legs you want to worry about...
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another reformed smoker here....I still find traffic jams trigger an intense ciggy craving, even after 5 years, much more than the other normal triggers like booze and ..er...intimacy.
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another reformed smoker here....I still find traffic jams trigger an intense ciggy craving, even after 5 years, much more than the other normal triggers like booze and ..er...intimacy.
Smoking is the sign of a bad technique!
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What about when the cigarette is dropped between the legs? Ouch! I know one friend who did this and a previous owner of my car must have done it as well as the seat cushion has a central scorch mark. Must agree with banning smoking in cars for safety reasons.
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Great restraint here. Nobody has answered "Only when I catch fire!"
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When you finally get past that idiot in the outer lane, who weaves about and doesn't move over, you see that they are either sucking on a fag or have a phone aganst their head. I'm not sure whether this is because the type of people who would smoke while driving are also not very good at driving or because the act of smoking makes driving difficult? Maybe both.
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I'm a member of my local hot air balloon club.
Why have I never been to a single social function?
Because they insist on going to a wretched smoke filled pub, that would otherwise be a very pleasant place to be, especially with the group of people themselves. I fail to see why have a drink = need to smoke. They are separate activities. Go to a pub = have a drink. Want to smoke = go elsewhere.
Had to smile last time I was at Skavsta airport in Sweden, though. If you want to smoke, you have to sit in what amounts to a perspex lidded fume cupboard. There were so many passengers crammed in and lit up (not literally!), that it was almost impossible to make out the faces of some through the smoke. Laugh? I nearly cried, though not as much as their eyes no doubt.
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"Great restraint here. Nobody has answered "Only when I catch fire!""
I nearly replied "only after s!x" but restained myself.....
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If we are going to ban smoking in cars, why not ban listening to the radio or cd player? Both take a percentage of your concentration from the task of reading the road so must add a bit of danger.
Of course, non smokers may argue that listening to music is relaxing and aids concentration. Just like a cigarette, in fact.
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I wear contact lenses and when my mate used to travel with me and lit up i made my eyes sting like hell so soon told him to stop, then we have to have regular smoke stops, ,on another note my mum bless her heart when alive used to smoke 40 a day min, and one day she got in my car and lit up , it was raining so the sun roof got opened she soon got the message, he,he,he
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"how on earth do you put up with the smell "
Well, Pologirl - smokers are not conscious of the fact that they smell of smoke - bit similar to your BO really!!!! (only joking!)
I don't smoke in my car, nor does my wife - but a smoke is a good excuse to stop and have stretch of legs/coffee every hour or so.
Odd isn't it that lighting a fag is supposed to be so dangerous yet every car these days has to have a cupholder within easy reach of the driver - is that so you can have a cup of coffee/bottle of coke easily to hand as you blast along the motorway?
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This morning SWMBO and I lifted a neighbour several miles to hospital to visit her husband who is in intensive care after a particularly bad heart attack. He is (was, I expect) a heavy smoker and she says that she has stopped. Her clothes reek very strongly/unpleasantly of smoke tar, and she sat beside me for half an hour.
Some time ago we lifted my daughter-in-laws mother from the railway station. She wore strong perfume, still detectable after an eight hour train journey. Her coat reeked of all of the many perfumes in her armoury as worn on previous outings.
The smell of the lady with the smoke tar was unpleasant, but that was all. The lady with the perfume started to affect me, and I had to drive with the windows open in depths of winter. One day SWMBO met me at work to carry me home, daughter-in-law was also in the car. I had to refuse the lift, and caught the train instead. I had been ill all day because D-in-L had been with us in the car that morning.
Smoke away Polo Girl, but don't wear your favourite perfume.
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The smell of the lady with the smoke tar was unpleasant, but that was all. The lady with the perfume started to affect me, and I had to drive with the windows open in depths of winter.
are you a Dog? Dogs hate the smell of perfume
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Try a 25 year old Cairo taxi where the driver has smoked for years with the windows closed and the a/c on.
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Yes, but I hate the smell of smoke.
yet i am a smoker.
HID and i are going to give up new years day.
i smoke in my old 75 but not in the new scooby.
I flick out my butt all the time, but do make sure there isnt a car behind me. yes it is littering, but dont want smell in car, from ashtray. this is a difficult one !
i hate litter bugs, but i am one myself. (but only fagbutts)
cant wait to give up.
just need lots of will power, change habits.
i think it should be banned totally, like the docter says, its worse than heroin to give up. it is a drug.
and i hate myself for smoking. especially when my 8 year old daughter says i stink of ciggie smoke. and dosent want a cuddle.
that makes me want to give up.
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>>>>>>>>I flick out my butt all the time, but do make sure there isnt a car behind me. yes it is littering, but dont want smell in car, from ashtray. this is a difficult one !
I sincerely hope you check for following motorcyclists before doing.
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I sincerely hope you check for following motorcyclists before doing.
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I always check for bikers before expelling the dog end but they're so damned hard to hit, weaving all over the place.
Any tips?
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>>>>Any tips?
Maybe filtering should be banned? ;+)
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Forget fags in cars - the majority of people who smoke whilst driving have perfected the art over the years until it's second nature to do so safely.
Let's query instead, for instance, why the 200+ taxi drivers in my particular town appear to have all the normal rules of the road waived for their particular benefit?
Ignoring speed limits, not stopping at junctions or for traffic lights, parking on double yellow lines whilst waiting for a fare, tailgating trying to get you to go faster so they can pick up a fare quicker, using a mobile phone and/or reading the booking dashboard display whilst driving (thanks to the latest computer booking systems), sounding the horn at all hours of the day and night whilst stationary - need I go on?
If you or I did any of these misdemeanours, chances are we'd be done.....
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Used to smoke and did a lot of it in the car. Regret to report that I was one of those thoughtless individuals who chucked the fag end out the window. But my intentions were honourable: it was quicker and easier and, therefore, safer to flick it out the window than fumble with stubbing it out in the ashtray. Still, I can''t excuse the behaviour. Two scary experiences I had while smoking in the car should have put me off the habit a lot sooner. In one case, had a rent-a-wreck with very dodgy steering. Driving up a mountain road in the States, tried to flick the end out of the window, hit a small bump that sent the front wheels in all directions but forward, car went headlong into a ditch. No injuries (that's more than lucky), fair bit of damage to the car. Local farmer had to tow me out of the ditch with his tractor. Second time, going down a mountain road in my own car, had opened passenger window, since it was freezing cold outside and did not want belting winter winds hitting the side of my face while driving. Forgot my window was closed and -- wait for it -- pushed cig into the glass from whence it fell and rolled under my seat. You can picture the scene. Managed to pull into an ever so tiny turning and extricate the still smouldering stub. Again, more than luckily, in the dead of night the road was deserted except for me and my stupidity. Did these experiences teach me a lesson? Well, I haven't driven on a mountain since.
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Women drivers......
Driving to the office this morning on the motorway, I looked over to my right and there was a woman in a brand new BMW doing 90 miles per hour with her face up close to her rear view mirror, putting on her eyeliner!
I looked away for a couple of seconds and when I looked back she was halfway over in my lane still working on her make up!!
It scared me so much that I dropped my electric shaver, which knocked the bacon roll out of my other hand. In all the confusion of trying to straighten out the car using my knees against the steering wheel, it knocked my mobile phone from my ear, which fell into the coffee between my legs causing it to splash and burn me which made me scream, which in turn made me drop the cigarette out of my mouth and ruin my shirt and disconnected an important call.
blimmin women drivers!!!!!
(TIC)
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VTiredeyes said:
I flick out my butt all the time, but do make sure there isnt a car behind me. yes it is littering, but dont want smell in car, from ashtray. this is a difficult one !
Please use your ashtray.
It's not just following cars or Growler on his bike. That lit butt can blow into the verge and set the grass alight. It might catch the slipstream of a lorry and set it's load alight or be drawn into the induction system and ignite the air filter canister - wasn't that the suspected cause of the fires in the Channel and Mont Blanc tunnels?.
Even on a deserted road it might also smoulder on the tarmac 'til somebody does pass, then do it's damage.
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>>Please use your ashtray.>>
Let's look at this logically. With 28 millions cars on our roads, of which probably around a third of their drivers smoke regularly in their vehicles, that amounts to billions of fags annually.
Can you come up with how many verges, lorry loads or air filter canisters have been set on fire through a cigarette end being released from a moving vehicle on UK roads during the last 12 months?
Thought not.
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>>Please use your ashtray.>> Let's look at this logically. With 28 millions cars on our roads, of which probably around a third of their drivers smoke regularly in their vehicles, that amounts to billions of fags annually. Can you come up with how many verges, lorry loads or air filter canisters have been set on fire through a cigarette end being released from a moving vehicle on UK roads during the last 12 months? Thought not.
Great point Stuart.
Unfortunately,m it alsio raises the point that the rest of us have to deal with the lovely sight of those billions of fag ends blowing around our roads.
I couldn't care less whether it's a fire risk or not - it's a disgusting habit (the littering, not the smoking, I won't even go into that) and I don't see how people can honestly justify to themselves 'oh, it's only a fag end'.
If you don't want to use the ashtray because it'll make your car stink then don't smoke. Easy.
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Do media reports that "the blaze was beleived to have been started by a discarded cigarette" ring any bells?. The conflagration consumes any solid evidence.
Having had a dog end thrown out of a taxi onto the top of my bike bag I feel quite strongly about the subject.
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>>Do media reports that "the blaze was beleived to have been started by a discarded cigarette" ring any bells?>>
Conjecture, as with conspiracy theories, doesn't carry any weight.
I can understand your reasoning but such incidents are rare in the overall scenario.
I've been on two wheels or used four wheels for more than 50 years and many, many thousands of miles both in the UK and many parts of the world and never been troubled by such incidents.
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>HID and i are going to give up new years day.
>cant wait to give up.
Throw your half-finished box of fags away now. This instant.
Why wait until New Year? Or even until you've finished the current box? Or even the current cigarette?
I wish you success giving up!
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Yes agree at once! Even better - post them off to me right away and i shall take them away from your temptation.
Besides Its ages since I set fire to any lorries in the Mont Blanc Tunnel.,
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I too only smoke in cars with the window open, and I never use the car ashtray. However, I hadn't realised that my fag buts could set another car on fire. Now that I do understand it, I must take care to release them only when cars with propellor badges are behind.
I hate people who give up smoking.
Some of them cost me a fortune from the "I've really stopped but can I just borrow one ..."
Others go all santimonious. (Yes, I'm delighteed to hear that your skin has improved, though not as delighted as the first 12,000 times you told me).
Then there are the ones who very publicly give up, then relapse, and then tell us all how they want a smoking ban to make it easier for them.
But nearly all ex-smokers suddely fail to understand why fag breaks are important on car journeys. Grrrr.
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Think the problem with ex smokers is that secretly they still want to join in. After 4 years I still get cravings- so far have resisted (apart from an occassional cigar).
Don't have a problem with people smoking- just so long as smoke doesnt go near my 18 month old daughter.
Besides- if a ban is introduced will government target motorists for lost tax revenue.....
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Too true, PW. I will always consider myself to be someone who is taking an especially long break before his next cigarette. However, I have escaped becoming one of the sanctimonious brigade of ex-smokers. Reformed sinners are tiresome: all they can talk about is sin, sinning, and sinful pleasures. Just the other day, I was telling my colleague, who is overweight, drinks and smokes, how glad I was to have cut out the booze and fags and take-aways because I have been able to pursue all kinds of new activities that, honestly, are so much more pleasurable than my old wicked ways. Like noticing all the poeple who smoke while driving, for example. And wishing I could join in.
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I find myself totally in agreement with NW! It's been a funny sort of day......
Only 'other people's smoke' that ever annoys me is when the fag is left on the side of an ashtray - exhaled smoke is no problem at all.
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I enjoy a proper cigar but I certainly would not smoke in my car or anyone elses either when driving or as a passenger because of the smell of the smoke and the fact that you cannot control a car properly with one hand IMO.
I have been as guilty of the lit fag end out of the window syndrome as any in the past - I gave up ciggies in early 70's. I was once nearly knocked off my motorbike by a cretin in a traffic queue opening his door to dump the contents of his ashtray without looking behind him.
It now annoys the hell out of me when people do this - littering and dangerous. I feel like getting out of the car , picking up the butt and chucking it back in their window with a polite ' excuse me but I think this is yours'..... ( But only when I can be sure of making a fast getaway !)
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I enjoy a proper cigar but I certainly would not smoke in my car or anyone elses either when driving or as a passenger because of the smell of the smoke and the fact that you cannot control a car properly with one hand IMO.
Helicopter, it sounds like you may find it helpful to read the classic essay by PJ O'Rourke: "How to Drive Fast on Drugs While Getting Your Wing-Wang Squeezed and Not Spill Your Drink."
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"How to Drive Fast on Drugs While Getting Your Wing-Wang Squeezed and Not Spill Your Drink."
I even found a link to it:
www.nationallampoon.com/nl/02_fb/howto/02_howto.asp
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NW - All PJ is describing is an average helicopter night out around Newcastle in the sixties - I've mellowed a bit since then.
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PJ O'Rourke sounds like my kinda guy. Life would be much more fun if politicians thought like that.
All we get lumbered with are Scottish Presbytarians.
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Fantastic!
Thanks for making my day! :-)
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>>are you a Dog? Dogs hate the smell of perfume...
Yeah!! I'm not surprised that dogs hate the smell of perfume. The dog's olfactory organ is infinitely more sensitive than a humans, and to the dog the quantity of ingredients likely to rouse gentle interest in a human would be akin to a pneumatic drill next to your ear.
The wrong kind of perfume can make me ill for days. In parts of the USA and Canada perfumes in public places are discouraged and in some places banned. Just imagine the perfumes staying in the fabric of the car in the same way that tobacco tar does. When you switch on the heater it all starts to come out.
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Besides Its ages since I set fire to any lorries in the Mont Blanc Tunnel.,
That will come as a huge relief to the families of the 39 people who died a most horrible death in that tunnel in March of 1999.
As someone who drives through that tunnel half a dozen times a year I never fail to be moved by the memorial to the dead, nor can I begin to imagine the scars on the souls of those who tried to tackle the fire.
I won't moderate your post as I think the backroom could do with a reminder that glib remarks of this nature are made at the expense of a great many people. A little humility please.
No Do$h - Alfa-driving Backroom Moderator
mailto:moderators@honestjohn.co.uk
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HID and i are going to give up new years day.
Worst day of the year to do it especially if you party on New Years Eve. Try January 2nd instead to avoid the hangover/stuffed stomach/over-smoked lungs etc. Also if using patches, start buying them now and by the time you get to your start date, you've invested so much money in giving up that you HAVE to succeed at it. Good luck.
(Absolutely no motoring connection whatsoever but Mark at least should have sympathy!)
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I gave up about 2 months ago - having smoked for around 30 years, around 50 per day, and all I'd ever managed in that time was to move from Marlboro Red to Marlboro Light.
I don't know why I gave up. Just sat there one evening in the village pub, half-way through a cigarette and one of numerous pints, when I just sort of thought I'd stop. No melodrama, expensive bets or planning, I just put the cigarette out and haven't had so much as a drag since.
The point being, its now two months or so later and I'm still not smoking. That's mostly because, I think, I gave up at exactly the right moment. No pressure, nobody nagging me to, no preset time, not bets or anything else, I just thought I would.
Had I decided to give up after that cigarette, or after that evening, then I suspect that the moment would have passed and I would probably have not even tried.
If you're going to give up, then give up. If you're not, then don't pretend. You'll only give up because you want to. If you want not to smoke more than you want to smoke, then you'll stop. Anything other than that, including legislation, will fail.
But if you want to smoke, then do so. Most of the claptrap you hear about smelling clothes and asthma and anything else, is just that - claptrap. And before anyone pops up on the Asthma thing, I am a steroid-controlled asthmatic. And mostly it comes from people full of their own self-righteousness or out of jealousy from ex-smokers.
As I tell people around me; by all means smoke in my presence, it truly doesn't bother me. But If I see you enjoying it, I'll tear your arms off.
I'd love a cigarette. I really would. It might kill me in 20 years time, but it'll make me feel better right now. I don't have one, because I just slightly more like the idea of being a non-smoker than I do the idea of having a cigarette - but at times, its a pretty close run thing.
And as for the dangers of smoking and driving - what a pile of drivel. I couldn't even be bothered to explain why its codswallop. Its just more of the "I don't want to do it so I think you should be banned from doing it" which is prevalent in an awful lot of our society and politics these days.
However, make no mistake about smoking, you're better off not doing it. If only for not having to listen to the sanctimonous gits who insist on going into a smokey pub primarily to complain that its smokey. Its better for your health (even after two months I notice the difference.
Its certainly cheaper, and don't forget I had a £75 per week habit.
But more than that, its just one worry less to deal with. And its generally a more relaxing place to be.
And if you're ever travelling in my car - by all means have a fag, I don't care. I've de-stressed the whole smoking issue for myself. And I'm not going to get worked up about the actual smoking either way.
But as for the police-state oriented, control it, ban it, make laws about it, sanctimonous interfering gits that this country is in fected with - well I don't like you whatever you're talking about.
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i wonder how many people have been saved from crashing from a nicotine injection? i know that when tired you should stop but...
as for throwing butts out of the windows, i presume that it is the councils who pay to clean this up and they get their money via the council tax. as for the person who cleans them up I am sure that he is not complaining as it keeps him in a job.
just imagine, if no one of us threw our butts out the window, no one broke the law, then we could have our streets paved with gold.
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as for throwing butts out of the windows, i presume that it is the councils who pay to clean this up and they get their money via the council tax. as for the person who cleans them up I am sure that he is not complaining as it keeps him in a job. just imagine, if no one of us threw our butts out the window, no one broke the law, then we could have our streets paved with gold.
Oh well, that's alright then. If everyone else is being an antisocial, selfish idiot, no reason for you not to then.
Using the equivalent you yourself have raised: Plenty of people rob houses, does that mean you should join in?
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OK, enough of the sarcastic remarks, thankyou.
People throw cigarettes and all other manner of rubbish from their cars, it's a fact of life. Get over it.
DD.
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Did it ever occur to you that you may have no sense of smell?
Or if you do, that the detectors that detect the objectionable odours are dead or almost dead? Perhaps as a result of all that smoking.
Or perhaps you don't believe the evidence that a goodly part of taste when eating is smell? How would you know?
Have you never heard of anyone going into a room with curtains and without any prompting saings, can you smell the tobacco smoke in here --- when there has been smoking the night before?
Nothing ruins a meal more for me than someone nearby wafting cigar or cigarette smoke in my direction. I sit upstream of the fan and hope the rest are downstream.
I have long realised it is a waste of time reasoning with a nicotine addicted one. Hence my jokey post above.
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I don't drink. I gave up years ago, but I have no desire to see drinking banned even though 75% of murderers are under the influence when they kill, as are an even higher percentage of those who commit assaults. Many thousands of innocent people have been killed by drunk drivers over the years, and many drivers have been killed or injured in accidents caused by drunken pedestrians. Families are broken up, childeren neglected, and industry loses billions because of peoples inability to handle alchohol.
So if I choose to risk only my own health (forget the garbage about passive smoking, politically sponsored lies) that is my business. Now, who has the courage to call for a ban on alcohol, or is it only other peoples vices which should be stopped?
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Well said, Tom! Describes my situation and thoughts almost exactly.
Except, I am rather anti-drink, largely due to experiences as a former cab driver.
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>>Did it ever occur to you that you may have no sense of smell?
>>Did it ever occur to you that you may have no sense of smell?
Yes. I think I do, but how would I know ? I know I can smell stuff, but I don't know if I smell well or not. I did notice in the first week of not smoking that I could tell a smoker at 10 paces, but I can't say that I notice it now. Whichever, my wife does not, nor has she ever, smoked and would surely let me know.
>>and without any prompting saings, can you smell the tobacco smoke in here
Yes. Ditto perfume usage. Ditto fresh bread. Ditto dog smells. Ditto my feet on a friday night. What's your point ?
In all of the above, of course I can smell the smoke. It just doesn't ruin my life anymore than other people's brakelights searing my retinas. All part of living in a society really.
>>Nothing ruins a meal more for me than someone nearby wafting cigar or cigarette smoke in my direction.
Yes, I can see that. Smoking or not I find that extremely rude, annoying and bothersome. About the same as mobile phone use in a restaurant. I won't use a restaurant that allows smoking. If it turns out a lot of people feel that way, the restaurant will lose business. Then they may prohibit smoking. Then I'll use them again. Of course, that won't suit the people praying for a ploice state, but it'll work for me.
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