>> Cycle lanes - you must >> have some where they are never used or only run for >> a few yards. MM sorry to appear dense but what do you mean? Hawkeye ----------------------------- Stranger in a strange land
No you are not dense.
In the area we live in (a London Borough) we have cycle lanes that I have never seen used. We also have cycle lanes that just run for a few yards and finish - honest!!
I queried this and a woman told me that the local boroughs receive financial assistance from central government so they go ahead and stick long and small bits of cycle lane here and there.
I hope that was sufficiently clear!!
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Carp cycle lanes? cycling.gn.apc.org/croydon/cycle_lanes.html
LOL - no wonder no one uses the cycle lanes!!
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MM sorry to appear dense but what do you mean?
Can we refrain from calling Motorwayman "MM". There is already an established poster of that name / signature and I'm sure the original "MM" wouldn't want to associated with the other.
Thanks, DD.
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>Cycle lanes - you must have some where they are never used or >only run for a few yards.
I use all the cycle lanes on my route to the station and feel quite smug as I cruise past the queues of frustrated car drivers.
(tin hat on) more bike lanes please!
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Stokie
I would not complain if the cycle lanes were used/or to an extent were they warranted their existance. You must have a few cycle lanes that just run for a few yards?
When you approach a gutter, do you go over it, or move into the narrowed road traffic lane?
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I think many people are reading our messages here/or think like most car drivers and see cycle/bus lanes in most cases as a waste of money.
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Just by the office up here in Camden cycle lanes ahave been installed in two roads, complete with their own kerbing to separate it from the rest of the road.
Must have cost thousands - took months to do.
Used by half a dozen bikes a day.
Cuts the rest of the road down from two lanes to one so that you have to wait two changes to get over the traffic lights.
Daft.
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Just by the office up here in Camden cycle lanes ahave been installed in two roads, complete with their own kerbing to separate it from the rest of the road. Must have cost thousands - took months to do. Used by half a dozen bikes a day. Cuts the rest of the road down from two lanes to one so that you have to wait two changes to get over the traffic lights. Daft.
Thanks BrianW - In our area we have the same senario and worse!! The buses get stuck in the jams before the two car lanes merge into one and the other becomes a bus lane and small cycle lane.
A friend lives in SE London - they had two car lanes, bus lane and cycle lane. Seriously, the council on behalf of London's Newt Mayor tore up the road - widdened the central reservation by a bit, widdened the bus lane a bit, and widdened the cycle lane and installed concrete paving between the bus lane and cycle lane. My friend phoned up his local council when he found out what they were doing. the council said it was going to be ok and had outside consults to advise sent by the Newt I think. the first dat the one car lane and bus lane was enforced, traffic came to a grid lock during rush hour - this carried on for a few days.
You will never guess what they did to resolve the problem created by them - they SUSPENDED the bus lane during rush hour periods, ir - suspended betwwen 7a.m to 10 a.m. Now the bus passengers are still raving but it is a bit easier for the car drivers. They must of spent millions over the one mile stretch. Pathetic or what/ What a waste of millions of pounds!
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Yes we have some that run a few yards at a junction or roundabout scheme, even those are useful to take you away from the danger zone where car drivers are slowing down looking for other vehicles but some miss seeing cycles.
Plus councils seem to have funding to add cycle lanes to the long stretches between the 'token' ones.
Re: the gutter, most cycle lanes are about a yard wide and the gutter takes up 18 inches so you can avoid the gutter without encroaching much on the road lane.
I do think cyclists should use cycle lanes where available.
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Well said Stokie.
Bendy buses are adding to the problem.
M
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Point taken DD, but he's scarcely visible nowadays is he?
Prolly too busy welding his Landie ...
Hawkeye
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Wish he'd come and weld mine
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Alyn Beattie
I'm sane, it's the rest of the world that's mad.
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I've no problem with bus or cycle lanes - the rest of the world has a right to get to work as well.
Just leave earlier, or go loco (if you live in the S.East, where the traffic density is horrendous).
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Speed bumps though -....... don't get me started on those.
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Speed bumps though -....... don't get me started on those.
Lots a arguments against them, but those who oppose them seem to object to nay other means of slowing down cars -- e.g. cameras seem to cause even more anguish.
Some folks may find it acceptable to have significant minority of drivers speeding along residential roads, but most folks don't want it on the road they live on.
If you don't like speed bumps, then what would you accept as an effective way of reducing speeds in residential areas?
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Difficult.
I'll admit SB's are effective at reducing speed.
Traffic calming measures other than speed bumps: enforced 20mph limits perhaps in very busy areas at peak times, residents only driving zones (no through routes), and most important better education of drivers (because some of our neighbours aren't the best drivers either) - that it is unacceptable to drive over the speed limit in residential areas where accidents are statistically more likely to occur.
It's a no-brainer for some of us, and no brains for others............and won't stop loons with no insurance/no regard, etc.
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Actually I'd go for the education at the learner stage (no awareness/no pass), and forget about all the other stuff - because legislating against drivers isn't a vote winner .. locally or nationally.
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Just be thankful you don't pay Edinburgh council taxes - we have miles and miles of green bus lanes and red cycle lanes.
You'd be apoplectic!
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Spinner - blieve me, it is bad and is going to get worse in London.
Re bus/cycle lanes and speed humps, etc - I've always said that in a few situations they can be appropriate.
Like the old chap said - drivers of stolen cars will not care if cars bottom out on the humps.
What we all need is Police Enforcement = Not more special lanes/humps/etc - but Enforcement of the existing laws.
I've seen a police car zoom down a bus lane - no flashing lights etc - I would of reported the fool if i managed to get its number.
Enforcement is what we need and no more lanes/regulations/reduced speeds/etc.
In our road we've recently had the speed reduced to 20 mph which is sensible. However, hardly anyone bothers about this.
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Traffic calming measures other than speed bumps: enforced 20mph limits perhaps in very busy areas at peak times
Interesting idea, although it is not a preventive measure -- it only tries to punish offenders after the damage is done.
But, even if we preferred to chase offenders than to use a simple low-cost means of prention, how are the rules to be enforced?
Replacing every speed bump with a camera will cause more howls of protest, as well as being a lot more expensive (abt £1000 for a speed bump, I think, versus £30,000 for a camera). Putting a traffic warden with a radar gun on every residential streeet would be even more costly!
20mph limits only at v busy times isn't enough: children should be able to cross a street in safety at off-peak times, without having to risk someone speeding because it's not rush-hour.
Nor should residents have to put up with speeding down their street at night, which is what happens on most residential streets without speed bumps.
residents only driving zones (no through routes)
Closing roads isn't always popular either (see Motorwayman's support for the reopening of routes in Barnet, even tho the residents wanted them kept closed).
And plenty of residential routes cannot be reasonably closed.
and most important better education of drivers (because some of our neighbours aren't the best drivers either) - that it is unacceptable to drive over the speed limit in residential areas where accidents are statistically more likely to occur.
Better education is great, but it's not just a matter of staying within the speed limit -- it's also a matter of driving at a speed that's safe for the conditions. 30mph down a narrow residential street is often highly dangerous, even if it is within the speed limit.
Unfortunately, better education doesn't seem to work well enough on its own.
It's a no-brainer for some of us, and no brains for others............and won't stop loons with no insurance/no regard, etc.
Exactly! Even the loons with no regard have an incentive to slow for speed bumps.
I watched what happened to a London street when the bumps went in. The joyriders and know-nothings tried to speed on, but had to slow down when the cars bottomed out. Someone with a stolen car is unlikely to want to have to abandon it in the middle of a residential street in daylight, and taking a bump at speed might make them do just that.
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I know we're supposed to just not read the posts we don't care about but is anyone else getting fed up with Motorwayman wasting space?
On bus lanes and so on, they exist and replying to everyone's posts agreeing about how annoying they are is pretty pointless. I'm at Aberdeen Uni and Aberdeen must have some of the most annoying buslanes going, but I get over it. When I'm sat in traffic in the car I contemplate just how much more confortable I am than if I was on a bus.
Just get over it, please. I'm fed up with people moaning today, why can't we be thankful we can afford a car and so on.
Kev, feeling blue
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You'll start him off on students now, Kev.
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Cripes, shhh, hope he doesn't notice this. How old do you think he is?
Kev
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Cripes, shhh, hope he doesn't notice this. How old do you think he is? Kev
Well, he's been around on various boards for about five or six years to my knowledge. On the last board where he posted he reckoned he'd been driving over thirty years, without so much as a parking ticket. On another board he made out that he drove a BMW Z4. However, he now says he has a Mondeo Ghia, and admits to a daughter of 21. He also said he commuted from Paris, and he had a French sounding user name.
In the circumstances, he could be anywhere between 15 and 48.
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He won't be bothering us again.
[Evil moderator mode on]
Muhahahahahaaaa!
[Evil moderator mode off]
Actually, it was Mark that flicked the switch, but only because he beat Dave and I to it!
No Dosh
mailto:Alan_moderator@honestjohn.co.uk
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Poor old CrimeStoppers (that was his main user name until everyone was fed up with him), banned from another board. He used to wage a one man war against perceived transgressors.
I feel quite sorry for him even though I've been subjected to hate PMs from him in the past. He must be quite screwed up in some ways because he has the same effect on everybody. Unfortunately for him, he's unable to alter his style and is instantly recognisable.
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So he's not just a troll? He honestly seems to believe the points of view he puts across?
Hard to believe when for every argument he seemed to pick exactly the angle that would aggravate the most people.
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I suppose it depends how you wish to define troll.
He hasn\'t upset me even though I\'ve received some very abusive personal messages from him. I think he\'s a very complex character, and probably believes some of the things he posts.
He used to frequent a number of financial boards - the old Moneyextra was one of them - and had a variety of user names. For some time they were variants of C and S for the initial letters. He certainly upset lots of people, but I never took him seriously and would engage in repartee with him. He would get very wound up and then send abusive messages to people. When reported he was banned, and would re-emerge under a different name. He also made very ridiculous posts, which were totally off topic, but quite hilarious, although he meant them to be taken seriously. I recall one such post which related to his *favourite* novel, Kill a Mocking Bird which he\'d obviously never read.
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I recall one such post which related to his *favourite* novel, Kill a Mocking Bird which he\'d obviously never read.
Did it turn out to be his favourite novel - starring Gregory Peck? Lol.
Or had he not even seen the film?
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I think we should get Motorway Mouth back, but ration his posts so they don't lose their, erm, 'novelty' status!
He may infact be a very well adjusted individual that just suffers from internet highway rage!
Anyway, about these bus lanes.....
I can feel the moderators collective eyes on me now :)
Hugo
PS - sweepsteak on where he'll turn up next and under what name?
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I hope he never buys an Alfa, I can think of one place I certainly don't want to ever see him...
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I hope he never buys an Alfa, I can think of one place I certainly don't want to ever see him...
I think it's safe to assume that he won't be sitting next you you on a bus. This could be the rebirth of public transport!
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I hope he never buys an Alfa, I can think of one place I certainly don't want to ever see him...
Can you imagine what Rick and Nem would make of him? That would be worth watching!
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PS - sweepsteak on where he'll turn up next and under what name?
Oh, we're pretty certain he's been back. We just got there before it went nuclear again.
No Dosh
mailto:Alan_moderator@honestjohn.co.uk
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Oh, we're pretty certain he's been back. We just got there before it went nuclear again.
Phew! You moderators are certainly earning all those pints everyone is going to buy at the steam fair!
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Well, now you mention it, I've just worked a 14 hour day and here I am at 01:05BST, thinking that I have to be up again in a little over 4 hours.
Boy, those pints sound good!
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I understand he's now setting up his own forum, as no one will have him on theirs.
I think it's called something like Voice of Britain, or Loud and Lonely :)
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