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Brake pads done ..
Put the invoice away and added up my costs for coming up to 4 years of ownership
3 services plus 1 next week so counted that.
2 tyres
1 set of brake pads.
MOT's
Total £1400 and some pennies.
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Put the invoice away and added up my costs for coming up to 4 years of ownership
3 services plus 1 next week so counted that.
2 tyres
1 set of brake pads.
MOT's
Total £1400 and some pennies.
Interesting. Mileage? Clearly, DIY maintenance can save loadsamoney. Surprised they don't teach it in schools.
Mrs F's Pug 2008, 33k miles, 5.75yrs ownership......... 1 'first service' at dealer £190; 3 oil changes (me) c.£120; 3 MoTs £150; indie repair wheel sensor and replace rear discs and pads £363. Replace smashed n/s mirror - pheasant - £85 from on line breakers. (Garage repair would have been £500). Tyres, swapped round at 15,500miles, still plenty of tread. Total £908, much of which unforeseen repairs. I'll do the front pads myself in due course.
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Interesting. Mileage? 25.000 But main dealer serviced to maintain the warranty.
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Interesting. Mileage?
25.000 But main dealer serviced to maintain the warranty.
Understandable. But new rear pads at a mere 25K? Can't believe you drive like a boy racer. I wonder how many millimetres they class as 'very low'. Did they show the old ones to you? And how come they wear quicker than the front ones......or have they already been prematurely replaced?
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Did they show the old ones to you?
3mm our friend google says change at that. yes I saw them. They wear but discs must be good quality as looked unworn. I use the autohold which doesn't quite release instantly.
Bot as I am a bit more paranoid about these things nowadays I changed them. I'm old school..... better safe than sorry.
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Did they show the old ones to you?
3mm our friend google says change at that.
"Brake pads should be replaced when they reach a certain level of wear, typically when they get down to 3-4mm or 1/8 inch thick. Beyond this, the pads can start to generate noise or, in some cases, cause damage to other braking components."
Well, I think google's AS*I is a scientifically illiterate extravagant friend which has merely parroted advice from a well known chain store with a vested interest in selling brake pads! I would like to know what sort of 'damage' it has in mind? Braking efficiency is not proportionate to pad thickness. Whether 8mm or 1mm thick, the braking effectiveness will be the same. Even when the pad starts disappearing from the backplate resulting in the 'noise' of metal to metal contact, there will still be considerable braking effectiveness. The MoT requirement of at least 1.5mm is perfectly safe. A sensible driver should be getting at least 5,000 per mm on a mundane car. The rear pads on Mrs F's Pug 2008 were recently changed early, associated with a failed wheel sensor, but the front pads at 32,000 are still about as thick as the back plate (4mm - I have just done the annual wheels off clean-up and inspection.)
Bot as I am a bit more paranoid about these things nowadays I changed them. I'm old school..... better safe than sorry.
I'm old school too - 1967 physics A level
*S for stupid.
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I'm old school too - 1967 physics A level
*S for stupid.
I got 6 straight A's.. didn't know the grades went that low...
But Seriously John, Whatever you do to maintain your cars is your choice, But myself and many others don't wait till metal on metal for those things, and while my car is under warranty it will be serviced by a Franchised dealer. Mustn’t give the little devils a chance to refuse a warranty claim. Same with every other car I have had under warranty. Main Dealer servicing.
The point of changing the pads as recommenced also saves me the inevitable phone call next week when it's in for a service Oh sir we replaced the rear pads, that's an extra £345.40 plus vat.
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But myself and many others don't wait till metal on metal for those things, and while my car is under warranty it will be serviced by a Franchised dealer. Mustn’t give the little devils a chance to refuse a warranty claim. Same with every other car We have had under warranty. Main Dealer servicing.
My Dad had a Kia and had a problem at 6 years and 11 months old that was engine related. Full servicing by the selling dealer and engine sorted under warranty. Cost £0 even though it was due a service 5 weeks later.
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Replaced front discs and pads and rear pads on my Astra a couple of weeks ago. Vauxhall state a minimum thickness of 1.5mm front and rear. Mine still had around 3mm and I only changed them because I fancied an advisory free MoT. The last two years I've had the "pads wearing thin" bullpoo. My wish came true but because some testers haven't yet grown a pair and feel they have to put something, I got the "engine cover and under trays fitted".
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But myself and many others don't wait till metal on metal for those things,
Neither do I! (well, only once I remember it happening in our days of high mileage. No big deal, the screechy noise is difficult for even the most insensitive to ignore, and as usually only one of the eight braking pads is the first to partially disappear, there was not a noticeable effect on braking efficiency) .
My Dad had a Kia and had a problem at 6 years and 11 months old that was engine related. Full servicing by the selling dealer and engine sorted under warranty. Cost £0 even though it was due a service 5 weeks later.
Don't delude yourself. The 'Cost £0' is accounted for by ensuring your Dad is relieved of a substantial sum for a mandatory annual service at dealer rates including as many extra items the Kia dealer can include, no matter how small the mileage, for each and every year from new to keep the Kia 7yr (presumably) warranty valid.
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... while my car is under warranty it will be serviced by a Franchised dealer. Mustn’t give the little devils a chance to refuse a warranty claim. Same with every other car I have had under warranty. Main Dealer servicing.
As a matter of interest, ORB, how many times have you called upon your warranties over the years ? Have they actually turned a profit, as it were ?
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Yet another EV benefit - brake pad wear is negligible…:).
I realise that these things enjoy resistive braking, but surely the wear will depend on the owner's driving style, as in any other vehicle ? Especially with the superior acceleration ?
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You can be on the brakes everywhere if you want to be, but you’d be massively losing efficiency by not relying on momentum and regenerative deceleration.
I’m working in Renault dealers for a couple of weeks, so after I’d made that comment I popped in to see the service manager. He couldn’t remember the last time they’d changed the pads on an EV.
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You can be on the brakes everywhere if you want to be, but you’d be massively losing efficiency by not relying on momentum and regenerative deceleration.
I’m working in Renault dealers for a couple of weeks, so after I’d made that comment I popped in to see the service manager. He couldn’t remember the last time they’d changed the pads on an EV.
The discs and pads on our 92,000 mile pool 18 plate Zoe 40kwh haven’t been changed from new.
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Do those wwith regenerative braking (and others who drive normal cars but carefully) give the brakes a work out once in a while to clean things up and hel prevent corrosion from becoming an issue?
Its quite interesting how some cars wear the rear pads faster than the fronts, first car we ever had that experience was the Outback, which also happened to be the first car we owned with full traction control where the car would apply individual brakes as and when to maintain handling, looks like the Landcruiser is going the same way, that too has full TC and next year i'll be renewing the rear pads and discs.
Whilst having no intentions of being pushed/bribed/cajoled/ordered by the state into a battery only car i'm a great admirier of Toyotas hybrid system, for its efficiency and its now well proven durability over huge mileages.
Quite why Toyota haven't so far upgraded the hybrid system into their Hino truck range is a mystery, given the far higher weights involved in truck work and the serious amount of retardation required when loaded if most of those losses could be recovered, without the ridiculous weight penalties (and unsustainable power demands) of pure battery power, the fuel savings would in my humble be in the region of 30/50% depending on usage.
Edited by gordonbennet on 20/07/2025 at 16:39
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Do those wwith regenerative braking (and others who drive normal cars but carefully) give the brakes a work out once in a while to clean things up and hel prevent corrosion from becoming an issue?
In a word - Yes, I make sure I give the brakes a heavier prod every now and again. You can see on the power meter that slowing down and especially the initial application of the brake pedal regenerates the most electricity so at that point I presume the actual hydraulic brakes aren't being used. A year/ 10k miles into new Swace ownership thus far my disks front / rear look like they are brand new.
A friend bought a 2021 Corolla hatch brand new and has already been told he needs new rear disks due to disk corrosion. He's a gentle driver, too gentle, and has been advised by the dealer to give the brakes more use where possible - I've heeded that advice for my mechanically similar car, albeit mine is gen 5 but his is gen 4.
Edited by Big John on 20/07/2025 at 17:48
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Expected you would Big John, wonder if your friend's discs would benefit from a good session of hard brakes?
I'm gentle on the brakes unless caught out in everything i drive, always have been, but having no regen of any description on our sheds its more to give the brakes a work out over several rapid stops from high speed, afterwards its noticeable how much better the bite is.
Edited by gordonbennet on 20/07/2025 at 18:08
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