I refuse to demean myself by getting into a petrol queue. I'll either go nowhere by car or use bus. It'll be inconvenient but nothing lasts forever.
Nice if you have the choice. No viable bus services here..(unless you have a spare day)
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I think my local supermarket is losing money because of fuel crisis.
This morning there was huge queue to enter the pump. Since for shopping also cars need to enter using same route, lot of people are avoiding entering altogether and hence the car park was almost empty. Some cars started entering via exit path - ignoring no entry ?? sign.
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Are people eating less because they can't get into the supermarket - my guess would be not.
So if they buy a little less today because of congestion, they will probably buy a little more next week and stick it in the freezer.
The real loser are businesses that cannot simply shift demand - will supporters drive 100 iles to an away match - the match will still go on but they may not be there. Same for restaurants - will you go out to eat twice next week because you didn't go last week.
OTOH will you go and visit the MiL (who lives 200 miles away) twice next month because you missed last month.
It's all sooooooo difficult.
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Panic/rational behaviour over? Mrs F just returned home via Kettering Tesco - no queue, only one car in front and vacant pumps available. She thinks the tanker must have recently been.
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Panic/rational behaviour over? Mrs F just returned home via Kettering Tesco - no queue, only one car in front and vacant pumps available. She thinks the tanker must have recently been.
sadly, I doubt it....methinks it will take a bit longer yet for the panic brigade to get it out of their system....it is time we started to see some improvement I agree.
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You ain't seen nothing yet I reckon.
Brent crude is set to hit $80 a barrel for November delivery. And there is some speculation on the possibility of $100 a barrel by xmas.
But will that price curb demand sufficiently to bring the price down?
www.reuters.com/business/energy/bofa-could-bring-f.../
I would keep your tanks full, as soon as you can buy any fuel.
Expensive fuel means that the gilets jaune will probably kick off over here in France again, with all the usual goings on - blockading fuel depots - burning tyres etc.
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I returned from Rugby to Colchester yesterday, Fuelled up normally @ about 5pm at the BP by the football stadium/park and ride.
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I returned from Rugby to Colchester yesterday, Fuelled up normally @ about 5pm at the BP by the football stadium/park and ride.
Sounds like some areas have either not gone so potty or at least regained some semblance of sanity after the past few days of panic-buying.
I returned (on foot) from grocery shopping at my local Tesco about an hour ago, wherby they had large queues at their filling station when I arrived, then hardly any when I left the shop about 20-25 mins later, but that was because the filling station had run out of diesel.
The Esso garage 100yds down the road was completely out of fuel and was closed. All at 10am on a Wednesday. Big queues/chaos on the roads and lots of honking of horns around filling stations in my parents' home town over the weekend.
I'll wait until next week to fill up when I'm popping in to get my car's recall done. Mine's currently at around 1/4 - 1/3 full and rarely used.
Hopefully by then the madness will have either ended or reduced enough to not have to wait 30 mins to fill up or spend and hour driving around (as my neighbour did last Friday) to find any filling station still with fuel.
Takes me back to the fuel strikes of 1999 (?). And to think people then were complaining about the price reaching £1/litre.
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The UK government (or any other government) can do sweet FA about international crude oil prices which are driven by supply and demand. The only possibility is to persuade the oil producing nations to pump more out of the ground - but why would they?
FWIW petrol and diesel are incredibly cheap given what they can do - eg: shift 1.5 tons of metal and passengers 50 miles inside an hour. Ox cart, or horse drawn canal barge would take 2 days and a lot of physical effort to achieve the same result.
Ask yourself - at what price would you change the way you conduct your life, and at what price would you radically change lifestyle to all but eliminate petrol/diesel use.
For me the first level would be £2-3/litre, the second would be £5-10/litre. Assuming I use around 1000 litres a year - £3/L would cost me an extra £1500pa (affordable, annoying, about the cost of a decent holiday). £7.50/L (£6000 extra pa) would probably lead me to want to make major changes.
No point in complaining - get used to it and make it work!t
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I'm not complaining, but a lot of people who are living on the edge now will be if basic fuel for them to get to their work gets to be unaffordable.
If road fuel gets to the prices you are talking about over here, France will be in flames from end to end.
Don't forget,
In the UK the people are afraid of the government.
In France the government are afraid of the people.
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I'm not complaining, but a lot of people who are living on the edge ....
Many - not all, but many - of those people chose to live near an edge and may have to retrench. Life doesn't always move forward and become easier. Many years ago two trendy words were 'soggy' and 'crunchy' - circumstances had to have some crunch so that necessity could mother some invention. If things became a bit soggy that tended to stop.
In this century most people feel life has cheated them if they can't afford a car. In the 1950s, although my father had a respectable job, we had no car for several years. Local transport was by bike or bus; train to visit relatives further away. Because of widespread car ownership, bus and train options are now less available. And don't forget the dire 1970s, when many people worked a 3-day week.
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And don't forget the dire 1970s, when many people worked a 3-day week.
The three day week lasted from January to early March 1974; not the whole of the decade.
No doubt there were other episodes of industrial action and short time working in various industries but things were generally on an upward plane until the government's anti inflation policy began to fail in late 1978.
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And don't forget the dire 1970s, when many people worked a 3-day week.
The three day week lasted from January to early March 1974; not the whole of the decade.
I'm sorry you thought I implied that we worked a 3-day week through the 1970s - I never suggested that, merely that the 1970s were dire, as most of them were. Rather direr than the 2020s, even allowing for pandemics, Brexit and Boris.
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I recall being on a shift system in the few months this ridiculous 70's scheme was running. We worked 5 days on and 3 days off normally--and that continued throughout the 3 day week--no change. Felt cheated.
Anyway--cheers to those ending their furlough today. Unless you are now working from home--I guess your first job is to try and buy some petrol.
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I'm not complaining, but a lot of people who are living on the edge now will be if basic fuel for them to get to their work gets to be unaffordable.
I remember people saying they'd give up their cars when fuel reached £1 a litre
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Just got some diesel only had to que for about 20 minutes once I found a station that had fuel only took 8 attempts. One van driver was filling up his van and 6 of the big metal Jerry cans. Absolute madness on some people's behalfs
Also scenes at a forecourt near me m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10165533991645...3, absolutely disgraceful
Edited by dan86 on 29/09/2021 at 15:06
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Having today reached the red line on the fuel gauge, I visited my usual Sainsbury forecourt at 14.15 expecting a short queue. 12 pumps all in operation and I had to choose between 6 empty spaces.
No rationing, so put 47 litres of Diesel in the car at the usual cost per litre. (No exploitation)
Visit took 8 minutes in total, even though there was one cashier operating the till.
Crisis.....WHAT CRISIS????
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One van driver was filling up his van and 6 of the big metal Jerry cans. Absolute madness on some people's behalfs
Report in today's Times of someone in Romiley (that's SE Manchester) asking £50 for a 10 litre can of E10 on Facebook - and that didn't include the can. So £5 a litre, that's real profiteering, and it presumes any punter has fuel to get there and collect ....
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The 1970s were a decade of economic and social lows. The 3 day week encapsulates some of the stresses which included:
- a decade of strikes compared to which the general strike of 1926 is insignificant
- the winter of discontent
- inflation averaging ~12% with a peak of 22% pa
- two major recessions - one due to oil prices
- rubbish on the streets, bodies unburied
One could debate endlessly where responsibility lay for the woeful situation - unions, management, politicians - all three must take some. It was an unmitigated disaster of a decade for which there few (if any) redeeming features.
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The 1970s were a decade of economic and social lows. The 3 day week encapsulates some of the stresses which included:
- a decade of strikes compared to which the general strike of 1926 is insignificant
- the winter of discontent
- inflation averaging ~12% with a peak of 22% pa
- two major recessions - one due to oil prices
- rubbish on the streets, bodies unburied
One could debate endlessly where responsibility lay for the woeful situation - unions, management, politicians - all three must take some. It was an unmitigated disaster of a decade for which there few (if any) redeeming features.
Not sure what your point is Terry.
In the 1970's
I graduated from University, moved to Hull as no-one else wanted to live there. Represented the City at Basketball, moved to Teesside, as no-one else wanted to live there, bought my first house whilst everyone else was weeping and wailing about how bad things were (10% interest mortgage) and just got on with life. No chance for Snowflakes who have existed for centuries, but who have now found a voice, through other folk's efforts.
Life's a kitchen, and if it gets too hot..... Stop Cooking and give in.
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Had to queue for 10 mins in local supermarket this morning. But situation is improving. Last week there were half a mile long queues outside every pump.
Last night all 3 pumps around me were dry.
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Just got in from a drive around Taunton to do some shopping.
One forecourt closed. One partially open. Four fully open. No queues.
It is a crisis initiated by media reporting on the back of a few BP forecourts closed last Thursday. The crisis has been fuelled (no pun intended) by media reporting.
Perhaps the new normal is (a) the media create a crisis out of almost nothing, (b) report upon it endlessly, (c) interview countless numpties topping off tanks unnecessarily, (d) sell more papers and advertising.
Next week look forward tp a shortage of mince pies. Queues in the supermarkets etc. Hoarding mince pies. Cries of why the government didn't secure supplies of mince pie filling. All good photo opportunities.
They are pathetic and should be ashamed!
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It is a crisis initiated by media reporting on the back of a few BP forecourts closed last Thursday. The crisis has been fuelled (no pun intended) by media reporting.
'Media' to include 'social media', which I suspect is as much to blame as the printed or broadcast varieties.
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Totally agree-and I wonder if the media pphoto of the lady in grey jeans filling up empty water bottles with petrol was a “set up”….
I wouldn’t be in the least surprised
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"It was an unmitigated disaster of a decade for which there few (if any) redeeming features."
At least we got the Morris Marina.
;-)
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"It was an unmitigated disaster of a decade for which there few (if any) redeeming features."
At least we got the Morris Marina.
;-)
I remeber my ration coupons for my honda 50.. insurance £5 a tear.. (on L plates)
with a mate, collecting rubbish in a Transit and dumping it at gates of the tip, charging handsomely for the privilege
My second BL company car was a Moggie Marina, the only time it let me down was when I had a "tryst" on the marshes at Neston (on the wirral, and had the radio on. Damn thing wouldn't start, so had to switch off and wait, but .....
Edited by _ORB_ on 30/09/2021 at 19:39
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It's Wirral, not the wirral, no more than it's the Liverpool or the Manchester.
Pedant mode off.
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It's Wirral, not the wirral, no more than it's the Liverpool or the Manchester.
.... or The Gower, for that matter.
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It's Wirral, not the wirral, no more than it's the Liverpool or the Manchester.
.... or The Gower, for that matter.
The Wirral is it's a geographical feature not, like Liverpool or Manchester, a municipality.
Same as The Lake District, The New Forest or The Channel (or for that matter La Manche).
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<< The Wirral is it's a geographical feature not, like Liverpool or Manchester, a municipality. Same as The Lake District, The New Forest or The Channel (or for that matter La Manche). >>
False analogy, Bromp. The word 'The' belongs to District or Forest in your examples, and 'Lake' or 'New' describe which of those is referred to. District and Forest are general dictionary words. As confirmation, find me a map which includes 'The' - I think you will find they all just show 'Lake District' or 'New Forest'. As they also show Wirral or Gower.
Anyway, La Manche is usually shown as 'English Channel', not simply Channel. :-)
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Avant once said...Don't get excited over Grammar..
So I don't.
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Avant once said...Don't get excited over Grammar..
I'm sure he did, ORB. This particular sub-topic is not a misuse of Grammar, as such; merely accepted usage (or misusage) of the established name of something. The sentence objected to was grammatically correct ! :-)
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