Judder on start-up - TM
My 307 90bhp Hdi(diesel) judders on start-up, always first thing in the morning at first start.The whole car, on idle, will judder, particularly noticeable in the driver seat.After some 5-10 mins, when the engine has warmed, the judder completely subsides.If the morning is warm,ie, the sun is out, and the temperature not so cold, the judder is still there, but less marked.
I am not mechanically minded, will welcome any suggestions.
Thanks.
Judder on start-up - johnmac
Faulty Glow plugs ?
Judder on start-up - TM
Thank you for your suggestion, I will follow this up.
Judder on start-up - johnmac
Another simple thing you could think about is the fuel filter(maybe dirty). Next you could be looking possibly at, are clogged injectors. If its anything to do with the computerised system(assuming it has one) then thats out of my league.
Judder on start-up - BT1
Does the car take longer to start when the engine is cold? Has the stutter developed over time or suddenly.

Difficult to tell at this time of year - but in the winter when the glow plugs failed on my TD there was a cloud of unburnt diesel when the engine first started. Also became almost impossible to start (all 4 glow plugs had expired). If only one or two plug(s) has gone then this may cause a stutter.

Note that the glow plugs are only used at start-up at cold and for the first few seconds until they cool down. After that it is up to the cylinder temperature.

Cheers

Judder on start-up - TM
Thank you for your response.
The car does not take any longer to start when the engine is cold or warm.The juddering has developed over time, although on most occasions it will completely subside once the car has driven half a mile or so, on other occasions, even when the engine is well warmed,ie, driven for a few miles in city traffic, when idling at say some traffic lights, the judder becomes noticeable, but less so.
As this is a Hdi engine, apparently, you do not need to watch for the glow-plug light to disappear before turning to start the engine, you start immediately on turning the key.
Any further thoughts?
Thanks.
Judder on start-up - Marcos{P}
I would always wait for the glow plug light to go out before turning the engine over as you will eventually damage the glow plugs and deposit unburnt fuel.
Judder on start-up - Baskerville
Yes, of course, but my HDI doesn't even have a glowplug light, so at what point should I stop waiting?

Chris
Judder on start-up - TM
Same here, the glow-light does not display, and the start is immediate.
Can anyone confirm whether or not my milage figures(mpg) would be affected by faulty glow-plugs??
Thanks
TM
Judder on start-up - Marcos{P}
O.K. I was always taught to wait for the glowplug light to go out but if you aint got one you cant wait.
Judder on start-up - jc
The glowplugs usually stay on for a significant time after the light goes out;this is to ensure the engine starts cleanly and warms up properly.
Judder on start-up - BT1
TM

Doesn't sound like glow plugs - not if the shudder is there when warmed up.

Not sure at moment - sounds more like a slight misfire. Maybe cheaper in the long run to get a diagnostic done. Maybe blocked injectors, sooting up, lack of air or poor compression. I would think the last can be dismissed.

Q - is the car used for a lot of short journeys? If so take it for a good rant for at least 10 miles and get the revs up (4K RPM!)to clean it out. If this applies I'd try it first. Maybe too much city life. Also make sure you use good diesel.

Cheers
Judder on start-up - TM
Thank you for your comments.
The car is used for relatively short city journeys, however, I do the occassional long run in it (motorway), and the judder is still there after the car has cooled down, and I go to re-start it again???
Maybe I will get it checked at a Peugeot dealer - will keep you posted !

Judder on start-up - RichardP
On most modern direct injection diesel engines, the glow plugs aren't needed below about 5 degrees Celcius so i would have thought that could be ruled out. Could air ingress into the fuel system be a factor? I'm no expert by any means btw.
Judder on start-up - David Lacey
Could it not just be a typical Di engine warming up? They can be a bit 'vocal'

Faulty glowplugs will have no effect on MPG whatsoever.
Judder on start-up - TM
I have owned a previous 307 Hdi, and it displayed none of these symptoms? On the whole, Peugeot Hdi engines are reputable, however, I am not too pleased with this one due to the judder, which is a nusaince and spoils the initial ride!!
Thank you for your comments.