VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - anthony langham

VW Golf GTI 2009 : CCZB : WF59 WYJ

I purchased my Golf MK6 GTI 2.0 TSI car from a Volkswagen Dealer in 2010. The car has a full Volkswagen service history. The car suffered a total engine failure on 30th April 2018 due to a fault with the Timing Chain and Chain Tensioner that was known to Volkswagen. This is not a serviceable item, so it should last for the life of the car.

The resale value of the car is currently £9,370 and the quoted costs of repair from Inchcape Volkswagen are £10,000, therefore the car is beyond economical repair. Inchcape wanted £1000 to diagnose the fault and £9000 for a new engine. This appears deliberate to attempt to write the car off.

The Volkswagen Group and Inchcape Volkswagen failed to warn or inform me about a very serious defect which they knew or ought to have known existed namely that the engine could fail without notice which could result in serious consequences. This failure to inform me of a known fault and take action in relation to a safety problem amounts to a breach of the duty of care owed to me by Volkswagen UK (as manufacturer) and Inchcape Volkswagen (as an authorised service dealer).

The sudden unexpected loss of power also caused a significant risk to my safety and the safety of my wife who was travelling with me at the time and the safety of other road users.

I contacted Volkswagen customer services on Wednesday 2/5/18 and logged the issue with the customer service representative (case reference 940046) . I asked Volkswagen UK to replace the engine and pay for the costs of labour to resolve this issue.The Volkswagen case manager stated that you would not be prepared to compensate me for my loss. Inchcape Volkswagen have also declined to offer any compensation.

This is very similar to the BMW issue reported and appears very widespread.

Any help or advice very welcome

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - RobJP

Unfortunately, any liability for either VW or the supplying dealer is limited, in law by the Consumer Rights Act, to 6 years. You are well outside that time period. It's either 'goodwill', or if that is refused, then it's tough luck.

I suggest you find a reputable engine rebuilder, who will undoubtedly do the job for a fraction of the price you have been quoted.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - ExA35Owner

Unfortuately your contractual relationship for the purchase of the car and therefore for its quality is with the seller, not the manufacturer. You could hope that the manufacturer might contribute out of goodwill (in other words this is a commercial decision - would the contribution improve VW's image sufficiently to be worth investing so much money?)

The time frame is far too long, as suggested already, for liability to rest on the dealer either. Again it would be a question of goodwill, and again the decision would be a commercial one.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - Palcouk

As others have said, your vehicle is 9 years old, and you purchased 8 years ago, so there is no liability on the part of the supplier or VW.

Your vehicle has a value of about £7k the retail value is something different.

The timing chain and tensioner is a servicable item and should be changed after 60k or 6 years, whichever is the sooner

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - skidpan

The timing chain and tensioner is a servicable item and should be changed after 60k or 6 years, whichever is the sooner

Really, never read about that on GTI's. Probably applied to the 1.4 twin charged jobbies with chains made of cheese.

But at 9 years old you have no chance of any contribution. When I was a lad at 9 years old you scrapped a car, it had normally rusted away by then and if it hadn't the engine smoked like Princess Margaret.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - gordonbennet

It's fulfilled the design life of a modern car, and i doubt anyone here expected anything in the way of help from the dealer or maker unless the vehicle had a seriously low mileage and the mother of all main dealer service histories, even Toyota would have most likely said no unless exceptional circs.

As above, get a decent indy to rebuild the current engine, or find a good used unit and get it fitted.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - skidpan

even Toyota would have most likely said no unless exceptional circs.

Nonsense. Toyota, like all manufacturers would have said NO in every circumstance at 9 years old.

Edited by Avant on 18/05/2018 at 00:44

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - SteVee

Not much sympathy in the above posts. I too would have expected better with a full VW SH, and I didn't think the 2.0TSi suffered the same faults as the 1.4 twin-charger.

You have no claim against VW. You say that the servicing dealers should have told you about the fault - do you know if there was a technical service bulletin advising some remedial action, or any other advisory notes issued to VW service agents? If the service agents have failed to notify you regarding advice from the manufacturer then you could have a claim. Those TSBs etc are not generally in the public domain.Anecdotal quotes on the internet about failures in other cars don't count.

You can't claim that VW or their agents are responsible for the dangerous position you were put in by the failure. Cars fail for many reasons, and even with much more catastrophic results than you suffered, there is almost no redress agasint the manufacturer or service agents. There are no manufacturers that produce failure-proof cars

I'd get the car repaired outside the VW network, by a specialist. If the fault is that common, there is probably a forum that has advice on who is suitable.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - Falkirk Bairn

2nd hand engine BUT then there is the problem of finding an re-con engine that has had more than a powerwash & a rag to clean it up.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - galileo

The OP may still have a memory of the notorious TV ad that said "If only everything was as reliable as a Volkswagen".

Many people had this imprinted on their subconscious and the reality that a VW is no better than many other makes is not widely believed. Does it raise buyers expectations, so VW prices are higher than Skoda or Seat?

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - Brit_in_Germany

In 2016, VW came up with a 50% contribution in the UK according to a report on a German site, so it is worth asking.

google translate this:

www.golfv.de/thread/211979-vw-golf-6-gti-bj09-moto.../

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - Brit_in_Germany

There were at least two service bulletins, TPI 2025206 and TPI 2024866.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - Engineer Andy

If I recall correctly, this issue is already mentioned in HJ's Good and Bad section for the Golf mkVI and VII - the chain manufacturer being apparently financially squeezed by VAG to save costs so they didn't replace the end-of-life machinery that made them, and as such some (but not all) chains had flaws in them that would eventually (even with excellent servicing) fail well before the expected end-of-life for a chain-cam engine.

Its the reason why I decide not to buy a Scirocco GT 2.0 180 as it generally suffered similar issues - I didn't want to take the risk, even on essentially a brand new car. In essence, some cars might be fine, others not - just pure luck which got the dodgy links, etc.

There's no way a car over the 6 year period the EU sets for recompense for manufacturing/design flaws would be able to claim compensation, and goodwill is very much in the hands of the dealer, which will likely say no, given the high cost of the work and age of the car.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - Engineer Andy

As others have said, your vehicle is 9 years old, and you purchased 8 years ago, so there is no liability on the part of the supplier or VW.

Your vehicle has a value of about £7k the retail value is something different.

The timing chain and tensioner is a servicable item and should be changed after 60k or 6 years, whichever is the sooner

I think you mean belt cam cars - chains are meant to last the lifetime of the engine generally, as long as they are kept well oiled.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - gordonbennet

I think you mean belt cam cars - chains are meant to last the lifetime of the engine generally, as long as they are kept well oiled.

Well now you mention it, my MB indy was about as unimpressed as i've ever seen him once, when he discovered that it's best to change the single link chain as fitted to the Mitsubishi supplied 1.8 engines as found in mid noughties Mercs at round 80k miles.

Personally i'm just as happy with a belt drive, so long as the vehicle has been designed with long term maintenance in mind and not just ease of assembly.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - SLO76
“Well now you mention it, my MB indy was about as unimpressed as i've ever seen him once, when he discovered that it's best to change the single link chain as fitted to the Mitsubishi supplied 1.8 engines as found in mid noughties Mercs at round 80k miles.”

Never heard of this. As far as I’m aware the only Merc that shares running gear with a Mitsubishi would be the Smart Forfour which used the same engines as the Colt of the same era. I don’t believe Merc’s larger 4cyl motors share much if anything with the equivalent Mitsubishi motors (even the cubic capacity doesn’t match) and after flogging them for many years I’ve never seen a Mitsubishi suffer from timing chain issues. Maybe I’ve missed something, I am often wrong my wife tells me.
VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - Palcouk

And isnt the 'lifetime' construed as 6 years?

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - SteVee

>>And isnt the 'lifetime' construed as 6 years?<<

I think that's the case for UK law - but motor manufacturers won't be designing / constructing to UK laws. Other markets may have longer expectations, Don't the US expect major components to last 8 years ? I thought it was US expectations that led to our exhaust systems now having much longer life than they used to have.

The UK consumer certainly expects VW engines to last much longer than this one did. I would hope for much better service from a loyal customer in this case.

I remember being told (in the 1970s) by a Ford Service Manager: What do you expect from a Ford ? - after the engine on my Capri had expired. I've not bought a Ford since.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - pd

The M271 engine apparently has some origins with a Mitsubishi joint project which was a left over from the DaimlerChrysler days.

The M271s can suffer with timing chain issues if not serviced properly but it isn't a particular weakness of them. More common on them is oil ingress into the wiring loom causing weird running.

VW Glf gti - VW Golf Drive Chain failure - focussed

The limit of civil liabilty is 6 years, but the legal situation is not as clear cut as this suggests.

As you are in for a hefty bill whichever way you decide to resolve it, it might be worth while having a free half hour with a decent solicitor, just to clarify your postition.

Read this about the Limitation Act 1980.

www.inbrief.co.uk/claim-preparations/civil-claim-l.../