Preheating car on chilly morns - liammcl


Just for the heck of it...

I wonder why the manufacturers don't have something similar built into cars for colder climes ?

recombu.com/cars/article/pre-heat-your-car-in-wint...e
Are the newer cars still chilly first thing on a cold day?

I've, as you'd expect have botched my own.

This is just a quick test...
ibb.co/b0YL5G

Must admit it makes a huge difference, the car is goes from 0C to 25C, in 20 mins
and stays toastie until the car's own air heater warms up to take over...abouyt 10 mins

I may put an outside mains supply, on the wall IP66
and use a caravan type electric socket fitted into the car's bumper ...just to confuse the neighbours into thinking I have a hybrid peugeot 1.1 1997 model :)

www.toolstation.com/shop/Electrical/d190/IP66+Rate...9

www.germaninnovation.org/shared/content/news/large...g

Stay warm out there
Liam


Edited by liammcl on 10/12/2017 at 18:55

Preheating car on chilly morns - liammcl

well, I didn't know that ...

heating up the engine

www.lifewire.com/car-block-heater-frozen-north-534...3

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_heater

Preheating car on chilly morns - RT

Some cars do!

As an optional extra my VW Touareg has an Eberspacher diesel-fueled parking heater, using the car heating system but with valves so as not to warm the engine - the extra fuel burnrt is more than off-set by quicker engine warm up and overall fuel consumption is better than not using it.

Preheating car on chilly morns - RobJP

Some cars do!

As an optional extra my VW Touareg has an Eberspacher diesel-fueled parking heater, using the car heating system but with valves so as not to warm the engine - the extra fuel burnrt is more than off-set by quicker engine warm up and overall fuel consumption is better than not using it.

My BMW has a similar system. You can set it to auto-activate at pre-set times, or activate it manually via your phone.

Never used it in 4 years ...

Preheating car on chilly morns - liammcl

Cheers Rt and RobJP

I thought someone would've come up with something,
as it wouldn't be much fun getting into a cold car every morining.
..especially if there were leather seats involved !

I'm wondering , would some sort of heat pump (taking the heat from the envitroment, like a reverse fridger,) do too..
..as , I think they give more heat out than they use to operate..

Cheers all
Liam

Edited by liammcl on 10/12/2017 at 20:54

Preheating car on chilly morns - craig-pd130

@Liam - excellent solution :)

Webasto used to make engine pre-heaters for 70s and 80s cars - it was a small electric pump with a heater that plumbed into the car's cooling system, working off a conventional 13A plug. It warmed the coolant so the whole engine would warm up quicker. Quite a good idea.

Preheating car on chilly morns - gordonbennet

Liam once again cheers up another day with his very own version of what would normally cost £100's, his version about £14 :-)

The Toyota has an auxilliary belt driven unit in the engine bay that looks like a second aircon compressor, its an auxiliary water heater that is piped straight into the heater matrix, when you press the button the revs increase to about 1100rpm and heat starts coming through in about 1 minute, so by the time i've put me stuff in the car laced up me boots and opened the gates the car is defrosting nicely.

Glad to see the 106 giving fine service still.

Preheating car on chilly morns - liammcl

Thanks Craig and Gordon :) ,

I was thinking of putting an electric blanket on the seat too.... but that would be too wimpish !

way back , when it was -10C out, and my escort van didn't have any hot air vents working, I acyually did wrap an electric blanket round myself in the drivers seat..it was powered by a 12v to 240v/ 200w inverter.
It's a awonder I'm still here :D

Let's keep toasty out there, people ! :)
Cheers
Liam

Preheating car on chilly morns - mss1tw

I did exactly the same with a fan heater in my old berlingo apart from drilling out. I'm an electrician so that plug exposed to the elements and potentially wet and not IP rated I'll ignore. At least fit a ceeform/commando plug!

15 minutes and it was toasty and defrosted. No need on the crv as it's petrol it heats up quickly

Preheating car on chilly morns - liammcl

@mss1tw
Thanks, yes, I take all that on board, this was a "proof of concept" temporary trial :)
(and when I say temporary , I do of course mean permanent :) )

btw, Surprisingly, that plug is completely bone dry !
I've been out on the motorway in pouring rain, and the plug , and surrounding area,
is totally bone dry !

ps I didn't drill anything, this is the hole where the spare tyre holder-upper goes thru.
I took the spare tyre of ages ago, to releave some weight in the boot, when the back axle's wheels were going akimbo.
(I've since swapped the axle but haven't got round to putting the spare back on, as I've never had a puncture in years , and years..
...(did you hear that fate...never had a puncture in years and years :) )

If I was doing it properly , I'd do all the elf and safety stuff, too.
..but I am keeping an eye on it thru the window, and have checked that the hot air jet stream isn't heating any interior plastics above 40C.

I connect it all up and then from the safety of inside spark up the fluxations :)

Cheers
Liam

Preheating car on chilly morns - liammcl

ps this guy taught me all I know ... :)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XVtUUtfjJE

Liam

Preheating car on chilly morns - mss1tw

:-D seen his videos before. The guy has fortitude!

Preheating car on chilly morns - Peter.N.

The Citroen/Peugeot Hdi cars have an an auxilluary heater which runs from the alternator, it draws about 100 amps though! Its very effective once on the move, you start to get warm air within about a minute of starting.

If you could supply that sort of current (HD Battery charger) and modify the electrics a bit it should be possible to run it before you get into the car, in fact if you can get the battery voltage up to the normal alternator level, around 14.4 volts it may well come on without the engine running.

I think electric seats are the answer or even these cheap 'fit over the top' seat heaters, they only take a few amps.

Preheating car on chilly morns - John F

I used to strap an old permanently on toaster (narrow long type) with a roof tile instead of a slice of bread to the front of the driver's seat, fed the cable from a timeclock in the garage via the boot. Nice warm interior and steering wheel, ice melted on most of the windscreen. A mini storage heater!

Preheating car on chilly morns - liammcl

I like your thinking John, what a great idea,
and I bet the car was all "toasty" !
Crumbs !, it's probably the best thing since sliced bread :)

I've been talking to someone today,
who put a green house parafin frost stopper in his car ,
just so he didn't have to clear the ice.

It stunk to high heaven, and he had to open all the windows to let the smell out ....

ps Houston , we have a problem...
tonights downpour did indeed get a few drops of rain on the plug...

...so I had a cunning plan...
it's health and safety gone mad

ibb.co/kGB3C6

ibb.co/fZYuKm


I do like the look of this one ...but not £9 worth of "like"
as it's nearly costs as much as my car ;)
alturl.com/tgr7x

or even one of these on the inside of the bumper
www.toolstation.com/shop/p36199

or I may just man the hell up and get in a cold car in the morning :D

Cheers
Liam
ps hmm.... can't see any problems...
www.instructables.com/id/Build-A-Fusion-Reactor/

Edited by liammcl on 14/12/2017 at 02:29

Preheating car on chilly morns - sandy56

I want one- a fusion reactor, for my garage.

I think the russians still make small reactors that they fit in small space probes. I wonder if they would sell me one?

Preheating car on chilly morns - liammcl

leave it with me comrade ;)

it will be delivered 11:24:06.0154 next Mon
if not, it may have been left with a neighbour

retrieval password
"I'm Putin on my top hat, Tying up my white tie, brushing off my tails. "

Cheers
Liam
ps I wasn't here , alright ;)

Edited by liammcl on 15/12/2017 at 11:58

Preheating car on chilly morns - edlithgow

I used to strap an old permanently on toaster (narrow long type) with a roof tile instead of a slice of bread to the front of the driver's seat, fed the cable from a timeclock in the garage via the boot. Nice warm interior and steering wheel, ice melted on most of the windscreen. A mini storage heater!

This I like, though I could see an ElfnS issue with hot tiles popping up between the drivers legs.

I spent a winter term at Aberdeen University sleeping in my car,

It gets quite chilly in Aberdeen in winter.

I used a 2L Coke bottle in a sock as a giant hot water bottle (Yeh, I'm a wimp) and when I went for a shower in the morning I'd put it on the dash. On return the screen was aways nicely thawed.

I have a little drink warming hotplate I'd put under the sump if I had electricity, but I don't, so I don't. Doesn't really get cold here anyway.

Preheating car on chilly morns - John F

I used to strap an old permanently on toaster (narrow long type) with a roof tile instead of a slice of bread to the front of the driver's seat, fed the cable from a timeclock in the garage via the boot. Nice warm interior and steering wheel, ice melted on most of the windscreen. A mini storage heater!

This I like, though I could see an ElfnS issue with hot tiles popping up between the drivers legs.

Ho ho - but it didn't happen because I disabled the 'pop-up' so it stayed permanently on for an hour before departure (500w). Just a lovely warm feeling to the back of the lower thighs until the car heater kicked in!

Preheating car on chilly morns - Andrew-T

What a brilliant new idea ! :-)

The Morris 1100 I drove for three years in western Canada (1964-67) had a block-heater for winter starting - without it there was no chance below about 20°F (-7°C). Just needed to be plugged in for 20-30 mins before needed. I kept a 'blanket' on top of the engine so it took longer to cool down when parked - taking care to avoid the fanbelt of course :-)

The biggest difficulty in very cold weather was steering, when grease had become almost solid.

Edited by Andrew-T on 13/12/2017 at 11:21

Preheating car on chilly morns - expat

There used to be guys driving round the office carparks in winter in Toronto in pickup trucks with a generator on the back starting peoples cars which had frozen solid. A nice little earner!

Preheating car on chilly morns - liammcl

wow !
canada is a bit chilly ! ,

I thought they all drove reindeers? :)
and I'm not even gonna ask where you plug the heater in on them !

Back to norm here, 10C and wet...

I think I may try a remote switch for someheated car seats..
so I can turn them on for 5-10 mins from within the house (£8 to make)
ibb.co/iR0Huw

Happy New Year to one and all..

Cheers
Liam

Edited by liammcl on 01/01/2018 at 19:18

Preheating car on chilly morns - joegrundy

And happy new year to you Liam, always enjoy your posts.

How about one of these:

www.screwfix.com/p/dimplex-ecot2ft-wall-mounted-tu...f

Cheers

Preheating car on chilly morns - liammcl

Cheers Joe,

worth a go.. leave on overnight , 10 hours at 60 w = 600wh
(tho' tbh a 60 watt bulb would do the same.. )

It'd be interesting to see if the 60w would put out enough heat inside, to defrost the ice on the windscreen, outside.. and i'd guess it'd still be quite chilly inside?

The fan heater for 15 mins @ 2000watt , gives out similar heat in total,

tbh... inside the cabin,
I think , you need mega heat, if you want it done quickly
which'd ideally come from the mains,
as a battery will really struggle

or a propane heater
(but risky because of the co2 produced)

(I tried a camping stove using a butane canister,
but it stopped working when it was minus degree... as the expansion of the gas inside the canister drops its temperature even more)

From a camping site
"The actual boiling point of butane is -0.5 C (below this it wont become gas, so wonyt ignite the stove)

The boiling point of propane is much lower, at -42.1 C, so it is much better at turning into gas at low temperatures around 0 C than butane is."

Maybe something like running a freezer in reverse would take the heat out of the atmosphere and put it into the car (like it's hot at the fins at the back of a freezer)
or a heat pump might do too , as maybe running the air con backwards

Anywho, it'll be summer before I get anything going :D :D
or I could just put some thermals on :D

Cheers
Liam
ps those heat bulbs that are used in halogen heaters 400watts are oinly £1.50 each to buy ...

Edited by liammcl on 01/01/2018 at 22:35

Preheating car on chilly morns - Andrew-T

worth a go.. leave on overnight , 10 hours at 60 w = 600wh (tho' tbh a 60 watt bulb would do the same.. )

It'd be interesting to see if the 60w would put out enough heat inside, to defrost the ice on the windscreen, outside.. and i'd guess it'd still be quite chilly inside?

I think it would be the 60w bulb overnight, or (better) a kilowatt for a quick burst in the morning - and you could keep an eye on it in case something went horribly wrong ....

Preheating car on chilly morns - Andrew-T

There used to be guys driving round the office carparks in winter in Toronto in pickup trucks with a generator on the back starting peoples cars which had frozen solid. A nice little earner!

In Edmonton (still 1964-67) there was a lad from South Africa who drove a Mini, and could sometimes be seen jump-starting Chevies or Buicks. The Mini had a 12v battery, of course.