Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - Ebob

Hi I am considering buying a Skoda Octavia Estate 1.6 TDI CR

First of all were any of these made without a dpf fitted?

Secondly how common are dpf faults on these.

I will be driving to work which is 13 miles away on the motorway.

I generally go on day trips on the weekend which can be quite far.

Will a good thrashing once a week be enough to stop the filter blocking?

Also what is the cost were it needing to be replaced?

Does anyone know what this engine is like on fuel consumption? It seems pretty good looking at the HJ real mpg....

Thanks

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - RobJP

This engine is notorious for EGR faults. The EGR is buried within the engine, making it a pain to get to and change. By 'a pain', I mean 'expensive', in case you were wondering.

EGR faults seem to be even more common after the recall work has been carried out. HJ has had a fair few reports of people who've had the recall work done, and the EGR has then failed within a few days.

I would personally not consider buying a car with this engine fitted.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - gordonbennet

Is this the same engine as Mk6 Golf's? now known for presenting their owners with 4 figure bills to replace this troublesome part.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - Fishermans Bend

A friend has a Leon with this engine, low mileage user too. He was seduced by the fuel economy.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - corax

A friend has a Leon with this engine, low mileage user too. He was seduced by the fuel economy.

And deluded by the sound of it. It's interesting how many people on this forum are now asking about the abilities of a modern diesel to do it's job without failing, it shows that the tide is turning and they are now too complicated for their own sake.

1.4 Tsi would have been economical and a better drive too.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - gordonbennet

I think the carefully researched and chosen Diesel can still be a very economical choice for those who either have a very good and reasonable cost indy, especially cheap for those who can do their own maintenance.

Though probably best avoiding DPF equipped unless your use is ideal.

Obviously things are different for the new car buyer/leaser who gets rid when warranty expires.

As in the past when most working class men (stereotypical but yes we were usually the ones for reasons of broke) serviced and repaired their own cars, the best bet was to choose a car that was not only known to be reliable, but was easy to work on...escort/cortina/viva engine out in an hour with two of you, clutch out from underneath on your own in an hour i=on your driveway.

example...i can't understand is why the easy clutch change that Vauxhall pioneered on the Astra/Cavalier wasn't taken up by other makers, we've gone the other way now where clutch changes are so expensive that they can economically write a perfectly good car off, the same choice of whats easy to work on or at least known for reliability and durability i would have thought would have been at the top of many (used especially) car buyer's priorities, but it appears to not even feature.

old days, soon as i felt the first clutch slip on my cars i'd whip the thing out and if just the driven plate, usually was if you caught it soon, nip along to the local friction material workshop who would rivet a new plate on whilst you went for a cuppa, new clutch for a tenner and half a days graft.

So along those lines i wouldn't even think about any car with this engine unless it was so cheap as to be a weighbridge job if anything went wrong.

Edited by gordonbennet on 17/02/2017 at 11:52

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - Ebob

Used cars are ridiculously expensive these days, even if your willing to spend in the region of several thousand your still left with what is essentially a banger.

Anyone know if the 1.4 turbo petrol engine is any good on the Octavias?

I wouldn't mind a 1.9 TDI pd Octavia but they're hard to find a good one particularly as an estate and they really hold their value. Nearly 5k for an 8/9 year old car with 100k on the clock, forget it...

Edited by Ebob on 17/02/2017 at 13:43

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - RobJP

A few of our regulars on here have (or have had) the 1.4 turbo unit, and have got on well with it. Hopefully they will see and post.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - gordonbennet

Used cars are ridiculously expensive these days

In some cases yes, i paid a small fortune for my used Landcruiser, for the pertinent reason that you can only buy one cheaply if its dead, i could have got a Discpvery/Range Rover for less than half the cost, you have to look for the reasons why this is so.

Any decent model with a fair mileage well maintained 1.9PD engine will be similarly expensive, i could have bought a very nice 75k mile 57 reg Vectra Estate for under £1000 last year and a Laguna 3 you can pick up for loose change, a car probably worth a punt because they are a vast improvement on Lag2, which was a nightmare.

I don't think the average used car is at all expensive here (as the thousands of good ones shipped out with foreign buyers will testify), but maybe the better ones are being sought out by an increasingly informed set of car buyers, maybe people who are prepared to spend more for the right one then maintain it above and beyond for a long life.

1.9pd with manual box, well maintained you have at least another 200k there if you look after it, with quite poosibly only minor repairs.

1.6 DPF same car, DSG to boot, probably cheaper but what's the chances of either not presenting you with several bills between £750 and £4000 over the next 200k, worse still if you wanted passat and chuck an electric parking brake in too.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - Xileno

Those Laguna MK3s are very good cars, as you say a vast improvement on the MK2 which was poor, although most of the problems were sorted by 2004. The MK3 is well-built and reliable but it didn't sell well because the Laguna name became tainted and also most people preferred the styling of the MK2. I read somewhere that Renault UK wanted to drop the Laguna name for the MK3 but Renault France said no.

Another dark horse is the Koleos (old model). Not the greatest looker but those who drive them seem happy.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - SLO76
There's still a largely untapped market for simple robust blue collar cars today. Dacia are proving that there are plenty of punters who just want simple value for money transport and don't care about having the latest (trouble prone) technology underneath.

Their cars are based on some of Renault's better older gen tech (though the jury is still out with the 0.9 &1.2 TCe's that now replace the solid 1.2 & 1.6 petrols) and are a breath of fresh air in an over complex market.

Nissan talked about introducing a sub brand under the Datsun name but they're likely to just be Dacia's with different badges to appeal to certain markets where French cars still have a bad name and Jap firms are well received but a sub brand from Toyota or Honda could be a huge success and be a great way to get more mileage from older technology and production equipment.

An updated but mechanically simple modern day Corolla or Carina would appeal to me.
Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - bazza

1.9pd with manual box, well maintained you have at least another 200k there if you look after it, with quite poosibly only minor repairs....

I'm not convinced GB, I have one sat in the drive as I type, with 83K on it, 3 wheel bearings later and about to change rear tyres for uneven wear. Then I shall just be left with mainshaft gear whine at 50 to 60 mph, so i doubt mine will see 200K with no work! Plus my alarm keeps going off on its own and I get a strange bleep now and then from somewhere. The boot fills with water and I've removed the bungs in the wheel well to drain. I would agree the motor itself is torquey and extremely economical but the car is over-rateThe Octavia is decent enough but only average as it ages.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - gordonbennet

That sounds like it sat in a semi flooded field to me Bazza, commiserations you appear to have a dud, that surely isn't the norm?

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - bazza

Interesting theory GB! I had considered that it may have been driven in heavy floods before I bought it. I bought it at 5 years old with full Skoda s/h and 51K. I wanted the last of the PDs, with no DPF etc. Although it has been perfectly reliable across Europe for us, the gear whine developed about 60K and then a succession of bearing problems etc. I was hoping to take it to about 120K but will get shot sometime soon. There are other issues, the seat is uncomfortable for me on long trips and it is ridiculously noisy, as Skidpan says. If I loved the thing, I might consider having the box stripped down and some upgrades, plus rear suspension renewal. To be fair, it's a good workhorse and quite quick in a straight line, but I prefer driving my wife's Focus, which believe it or not is quieter and more comfortable! I have had Octavias since 2003, and they are a great practical car, I am sorely tempted by the MK 3, but there's so much griping on the forums and here about VAG's engine and customer service issues. I had a Mk1, which was excellent, this Mk2 is disappointing and I've not seen enough evidence that VAG have sorted themselves out. Honda or Toyota next I think!

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - skidpan

anyone know if the 1.4 turbo petrol engine is any good on the Octavias?

The current 1.4 TSi in 140 ps and 150 ps versions is brilliant in any car but Octavias registered earlier than March 2013 will be fitted with the older 1.4 TSi which was potentially troublesome and not especially economical.

We have a 1.4 TSi 140 ps in a 2013 Leon and next week get the 150 ps version in a Skoda Superb, we like it that much.

But be careful with the Octavia and make sure you have a really good test drive. We have tried 4, 3 estates and a hatch. 2 were earlier 1.4 TSi's, one a current 1.4 TSi and the other was a 2.0 diesel DSG.

The current 1.4 TSi hatch we drove was fine, problem was the order book was closed and with price uncertainty we did not want to wait 3 months before signing, got the Superb instead for probably less money.

All the estates had the exact same issue which would prevent me from recomending the car, the road noise from the rear is deafening. If it had been an isolated example fair enough but for all 3 cars from 2 dealers on different brands of tyres to be identical shows a severe disign flaw. Beware.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - Ebob

Thanks skidpan good to know.

"1.9pd with manual box, well maintained you have at least another 200k there if you look after it, with quite poosibly only minor repairs."

Yes the engine and gearbox will go on for that long, is all the other bits that start falling off. And once cars get past a certain age they run the risk of developing electrical faults which simply cannot be tracked down and that ends up writing off an otherwise perfectly good car...

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - Big John

The current 1.4 TSi in 140 ps and 150 ps versions is brilliant in any car but Octavias registered earlier than March 2013 will be fitted with the older 1.4 TSi which was potentially troublesome and not especially economical.

Later versions of the previous model EA111 cam chain tsi engines (122-125) are still pretty good with a robust cast block liked by engine tuners - many chipped to an inch of their existance. The higher power "twinpower" versions fitted with both turbo and supercharger are to be avoided. However some important things to note:-

  • Later versions better - some early versions had mis-manfuctured chains
  • Avoid long life service intervals - cam chains like clean oil
  • You must use OEM oil filters and fit carefully (These must have the correct non return valve and valve to release oil back into the sump on removal - if overtightened oil pressure cam be compromised causing excessive wear and chain tensioner problems

I'm finding my 2014 Skoda Superb BARGE is proving suprisingly economical averaging about 46mpg in my hands:- www.spritmonitor.de/en/detail/720963.html?share=1 - This is not much less than my previous diesel Superb did on the same journey/driving types

The later EA211 cam belt engine is a great engine especially the ACT versions (150ps!)

PS If you overdo it with the loud pedal the tsi does develop a bit of a drink problem

Edited by Big John on 17/02/2017 at 19:52

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - ike2

I've just bought a nearly new Octavia 1.5 petrol and am really impressed with it. I had a 2010 1.4 petrol until 2015 and this is a vast improvement with better torque and improved MPG figures. On long runs I get about 50mpg which suits me fine. Not as good as my Toyota Auris Hybrid but the driving experience is far better and the car feels so much better screwed together. If you go for a higher mileage ex main dealer car it can be quite a good buy.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - Mr Legohead

I have 2012 Fabia 1.6cr vag decepticon as I never had the fix thankfully I took some advice. I do short journeys ten miles a day for the last 3 yrs previously did big miles. I have 60k trouble free miles now never an issue dpf regeneration happens I drive the car hard and when I do a trip to Stansted twice a yr I don't use 5th gear I do usually just not on this trip . The car is also running on Dipetane mineral two stroke and 2 ehn from new . The car returns good economy and torque is great 5 speed manual matches well to the car. I have done all the servicing from new myself as warranty doesn't bother me been stitched by Volkswagen before on a petrol polo. For the miles you are doing the car would be perfect however I still think a good petrol would do it cheaper.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - Avant

This is a thread started in early 2017 so the OP will presumably have bought, or not bought, some time ago.

But it's still instructive for anyone thinking along the same lines. SWMBO has an Audi A1 with the 125 bhp 1.4 petrol engine. This is a terrific engine with excellent acceleration, but it also gives approx. 45 mpg in town and up to 55 mpg on a long run - this easily beating quite a few diesels.

The only 1.4 petrol to avoid is the short-lived one which had both turbo- and super-chargers. This gave problems and was fairly quickly dropped. I can't remember when it was current: no doubt someone will know and be able to tell us.

The 150 bhp version of the 1.4 is gradually being replaced over the VW Group range with a similarly-powered 1.5. Because there is a wider variety of 1.0-litre 3-cylinder engines on offer, I don't think the 125 bhp 1.4 is being directly replaced. But there are plenty of used ones around, and in any case the 150 bhp engine is almost as economical as well as being even livelier. As two of our regular members testify, this engine is more than adequate even in a car as big as the Skoda Superb.

Edited by Avant on 29/10/2018 at 14:22

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - skidpan

The only 1.4 petrol to avoid is the short-lived one which had both turbo- and super-chargers. This gave problems and was fairly quickly dropped. I can't remember when it was current: no doubt someone will know and be able to tell us.

Not exactly short lived, it was used in a variety of models from 2008 to about 2014. The original version was improved part way through production but it still had the same oil consumption and other issues.

Many on the Skoda forum still miss it despite some having had 2 or more replacement engines.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - skidpan

I don't think the 125 bhp 1.4 is being directly replaced

Pretty sure there is a 130 PS 1.5 TSi listed for some models.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - HensTeeth

There's a bewildering array of variants on the 1.4 TSI theme, but they don't seem to be all that great long term propositions if this thread on a car dealer forum is anything to go by. Perhaps more recent builds are better.

Edited by HensTeeth on 29/10/2018 at 16:31

Skoda Octavia Estate - Buying a 1.6 TDI CR Skoda Octavia. Dpf problems? - skidpan

There's a bewildering array of variants on the 1.4 TSI theme, but they don't seem to be all that great long term propositions if this thread on a car dealer forum is anything to go by. Perhaps more recent builds are better.

That thread is discussing the old pre 2013 TSI which had a cam chain. I have seen no reported issues with the totally new belt drive engine introduced in 2013.

The early and current engines only share one component, its the TSi badge.

We are on our 2nd belt drive 1.4 TSi engines and they are magic, best engine on the road for just about all real world conditions. So good that the wife now has a Fabia with the incredible 1.0 TSi engine.

 

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