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You're lucky to have CCTV evidence: this may depend on how good the picture is. It needs to show that you pulled the handbrake up enough to secure the car: if it's like my Octavia, the handbrake works perfectly well but on a slope it needs an extra pull up to make sure it holds.
I don't want to be unhelpful but you must expect that SEAT and the dealer may say you're partly to blame for not leaving the car in gear when parked on a slope. (If you did, please ignore this para!)
Edit - good point, Big John, which would explain the 30 sec delay. I think all Leons have manual handbrakes: if it were electronic the OP would have a much stronger case.
Edited by Avant on 04/05/2016 at 00:32
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On the Kia's i have had and got. The Handbook says to depress the brake pedal while firmly pulling on the handbrake.
I did experiment and tried NOT pressing the footbrake and the results were the same as the OP. My previous Chevrolets were the same.
Discs on rears = current problem.
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Best to leave it in gear when parked, I always do.
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There is only one real question, to me : did you leave the car in gear or not ?
If you did not leave it in gear, then you've broken one of the primary rules, which is also detailed in the highway code (rule 252), about parking on a slope. In which case, as far as I see it, it would only be a warranty claim if the handbrake has failed (rather than not been fully applied).
So, if not in gear, then it seems to me to be an insurance claim that you'll be making, and you'd have no right of rejection.
It might not be quite so wonderful, having video of the inside of the car, after all ...
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There is only one real question, to me : did you leave the car in gear or not ?
If you did not leave it in gear, then you've broken one of the primary rules, which is also detailed in the highway code (rule 252), about parking on a slope. In which case, as far as I see it, it would only be a warranty claim if the handbrake has failed (rather than not been fully applied).
So, if not in gear, then it seems to me to be an insurance claim that you'll be making, and you'd have no right of rejection.
It might not be quite so wonderful, having video of the inside of the car, after all ...
I have to agree with you Rob, I don't understand why people don't leave in gear on a slope, I was taught to do so over fifty years ago and see no reason not to. My current i30 has rear discs but there is an integral drum which the handbrake uses, so not subject to loosening due to cooling down anyway.
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I suspect you will not get far, sadly
On some cars like BMW 3Series there is an extra brake pad used for the hand brake. (Other car makes/model do the same)
sadly it's far to tempting to save money and piggy back the foot brake system. These release system as they cool can release in colder weather on hills as you have discovered.
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I learnt not to rely on a disc based handbrake about 15 years ago when my car almost ended up in Ladybower Dam on a cold snowy day. Fortunately another walker saw it slowly creeping up to the waters edge aand held on to it while frantically shouting and waving with one hand to attract attention.
With drum and disc brakes sometimes sticking solid when parked in inclement weather for any length of time, I usually rely on leaving in 1st or reverse gear and brake off, unless on a slope, when I also use the brake and strategically turn the wheels so the car rolls into the kerb or a safe direction if everything fails.
No lectures about the highway code please.....
Unfortunately my kids cannot understand all this, "its not what the instructor taught us" or "why??" and trying to explain why 1st or reverse gear (depending if nose down or up) is completely beyond them. But at least I've taught them to check the car is in neutral before starting (almost lost the garage door a couple of times..)
However.....leaving in gear can be the kiss of death for VAG cam chain engines.
Sorry for the long post, in short, good luck to the op but don't get your hopes up. 2 or 3 clicks is not enough for those disc brakes.
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However.....leaving in gear can be the kiss of death for VAG cam chain engines.
So I guess this would constitute a good reason for NOT leaving the car in gear - but no excuse for not turning the front wheels into the kerb or any side which would prevent / reduce the car from rolling away (learnt that in San Francisco!)
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What the story this week on VAG's fragile offerings, re cam chains?
Presumably not going to end well if like old Gardner Diesels they would run backwards given the right circs, and no i'm not pulling your leg i've seen it done, air being sucked in the exhaust and the exhaust coming out the air intake, they never came to any harm doing so.
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What the story this week on VAG's fragile offerings, re cam chains?
Presumably not going to end well if like old Gardner Diesels they would run backwards given the right circs, and no i'm not pulling your leg i've seen it done, air being sucked in the exhaust and the exhaust coming out the air intake, they never came to any harm doing so.
That's interesting, I knew two-strokes would readily run backwards, didn't know Gardners would.
As for VAG engines not liking reverse torque from parking in gear, not impressed by that.
One wonders what proper engine designers like W.O Bentley or Fred Lanchester would think of such fragile units.
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gordonbennet - I believe you used to drive Transporters.
I used to work for Toleman and personally saw 2 instances of an Iveco/Lohr Mk 5 Transporter running backwards - both times it happened after nearly stalling when the PTO was engaged.
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gordonbennet - I believe you used to drive Transporters.
I used to work for Toleman and personally saw 2 instances of an Iveco/Lohr Mk 5 Transporter running backwards - both times it happened after nearly stalling when the PTO was engaged.
Gordon, you had a proper job, i never used a Mk5, but my favourite body of all time was the mk4 cake stand 10 car which i had on Walon.
I didn't know those Ivecos could run backwards, but yes a semi stall via PTO was how my mate managed to get his Gardner XLC going backwards, Rolonoff body and the PTO had been fitted on 5th gear IIRC correctly on a David Brown 6 speed constant mesh box, so high geared was the lifter that @ 1000rpm it would load the skip in about 8 seconds, it split one gearbox apart and after my mate was worried about it constantly, so he tried to keep the revs down which semi stalled it and yes, soon as he put his foot on the clutch she fired up backwards.
Great fun.
Would love to have got onto Tolemans, THE job to have in the 70's and 80's, presumably you're retired now?...i've got another 5 years to go, assuming ther goal posts don't get shifted, on a tanker now togther with about 6 ex transporter jockeys..:-)
Galileo, i find myself shaking my head ever more at the backwards progress we seem in, we're nearly at disposable vehicle stage now, no doubt they'll come with some way of stopping old fogies like me running old cars with some environmental cobblers...well when that day comes they won't be getting any income at all from me cos i just do not want anything to do with modern, so push bike it will be, or the bus.
Edited by gordonbennet on 05/05/2016 at 18:41
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leaving in gear can be the kiss of death for VAG cam chain engines.
Not just VAG engines
Basically turning a cam chain engine backwards that has extra stuff fed off the cams (eg high pressure direct injection pump!) means that the forces required to turn the cam shaft are pushed back through to the tensioner
However it is safe to leave in a manual gear that would rotate an engine in the normal diretcion if car rolled down the hill eg 1st pointing down a hill or reverse pointing up a hill
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When I've had a manual car, like the current one, I leave it in first every time I park - uphill, downhill or on the level. But I always wait for a moment after switching off before releasing the clutch. I've had 4 manual VAG cars and never a problem.
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When I've had a manual car, like the current one, I leave it in first every time I park - uphill, downhill or on the level. But I always wait for a moment after switching off before releasing the clutch. I've had 4 manual VAG cars and never a problem.
I suspect that using the Handbreak and 1st gear is unlikely to cause damage. Use first gear only getting in and out of the car might cause the engine to turn in the wrong direction, which in turn could course problems. So it's no surpise you had no issues
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It's manual cars with oil pressured hydraulic tensioners that are the "potential" issue !
When engine turning in the normal directin of rotation, crankshaft sproket pulls down the cam chain directly from camshaft sproket - all OK
When engine turning in the opposite direction of rotation, crankshaft sproket pulls down the cam chain via the tensioner from the camshaft sproket which if the camshaft resists rotation (lots of vlaves / high pressure pump etc) applies force back on the tensioner rail which "could" be pushed back especially if worn leaving a slack chain for when the car is next started
VAG cars with cam belts don't have this issue as the tensioner is manually adjusted
1st or reverse have nearly the same gear ratios so would have similar levels of engine braking so it's no hardship to either leave in reverse pointing up the hill or first pointing down.
The engine can potentially rotate even with the handbrake applied because it will roll a little bit once footbrake released until rear suspension takes the tension
On another note after stopping, turning off the engine , putting in gear , applying the handbrake and relasing the footbrake dip the clutch again to release tension on clutch springs (on clutch friction plate on SMF or within flywheel with DMF) otherwise they will remain in permanent tension - ok for a while but.....
Edited by Big John on 05/05/2016 at 23:35
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