Survey on electric vehicles - madsfegth

Hi all, I’m doing a university project on “How the government can increase the use of Electric Vehicles in the UK” and I would like input from as many car users in the UK on a survey I have created. It has 10 questions and only takes about 2-3 minutes to do. Please help me by doing it.

Here is the link: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/PH95C7H

Thanks a lot,
Mads
p.s. If the admins think this constitutes as spam or it is in the wrong section please feel free to remove or delete this thread.

Edited by Avant on 30/11/2015 at 16:24

Survey on electric vehicles - RobJP

I've had a quick read of the survey - it's only one page long, and 10 questions.

However, it approaches it from the point of view that an EV MUST be right for you, and the only reason you haven't adopted is a lack of information, or the price is wrong and needs more subsidy.

The simple fact that some of us need to do considerable mileages without waiting for days on end to get re-charged up doesn't seem to have occurred to the questioner. For example, I might need to travel 300 miles in a day, do 2-3 hours work, check the work in the morning and then do the 300 miles back. For which a 'pure' EV is utterly pointless.

In which ways, it's very similar to most of these surveys : approaching the whole thing with a pre-set viewpoint, and forcing the data gathered into those 'boxes'.

Survey on electric vehicles - Avant

I agree, Rob. If the student's supervisor had replaced 'How' and 'can' in the title with 'Whether' and 'should', it would result in a much more interesting survey and dissertation.

Lack of range is the reason why most people choose not to drive EVs: this should have been one of the given reasons. The lack of facility for extra comments suggests, unfortunately, that the survey results will be collated by a computer.

Survey on electric vehicles - RT

I tried doing the survey but question 8 & 10 require an answer but no "other" to the stated options.

I'd consider an EV if - it it was a 2 tonne SUV, had a range of 180 miles towing a 1500kg caravan and a full recharge time of 15 mins - that would be equivalent to a 300 mile range solo with the same 15 mins recharge time.

There's about 500,000 touring caravans in use in the UK - not huge but significant.

It'll come - but not in my lifetime!

Edited by RT on 30/11/2015 at 17:24

Survey on electric vehicles - Sofa Spud

I completed the survey. I'm not in a position to buy a new car at the moment, we usually buy cars that are 5+ years old - so not really in the market for an electric just yet. At times we've been a 2-car family, and an electric car would probably make a good second car, although they're too recent and therefore expensive on the secondhand market at the moment.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 30/11/2015 at 17:37

Survey on electric vehicles - Engineer Andy

I agree - I would also add (which I did in the 'other' reasons why I haven't considered an EV - that at present any major change from petrol/diesel vehicles to electric would neccessitate a huge expansion in the UK's electricity generation capacity (quite a task, given we're finding it difficult to keep up with demand even now) and national and especially local distribution networks and charging facilities (which suerly would need to be manned and thus paid for by users to stop the inevitable vandalism).

Survey on electric vehicles - Sofa Spud

Most people would charge their cars overnight, off-peak, when demand is low.

Survey on electric vehicles - Engineer Andy

That may be fine for some people who have access to a garage, but many people don't, and/or like me, sometimes need to make relatively long journeys, and also at short notice.

I also wouldn't like to see my electric bill if I was charging my car (if I even could [which I can't, as I live in a flat with no garage]), given how much power they must consume and thus need to recharge.

I would also remind you that many electricity generating firms will use the lower overnight periods to temporarily shut down operations in power stations for maintenance, something they would not be able to do if every man and his dog had an electric car charging overnight. We just don't have the capacity in the system (and won't for at least 10-15 years, accounting for old generation services going off line and [at best] all the new ones being built/going live on time, plus changes in electrical product efficiency/usage [still like to increase demand]).

As usual, HMG (thanks, Red Ed/Lib Dems for dithering about building new nuclear power stations throughout your terms as Climate Change/Energy Secretary) is not prepared.

Survey on electric vehicles - Smileyman

for me two considerations

firstly the range needs to be greater, commuting 80 miles a day the range is too short, and if I visit family in London it's 80 miles each way so another no-no

secondly, is it really environmentally correct for the pollution to be shifted from roadside to wherever the power generation plant happens to be? I'm not thinking of the pollution in itself, but the aspect of shifting it to someone else's home town just to save polluting my street

Edited by Smileyman on 30/11/2015 at 20:14

Survey on electric vehicles - Ethan Edwards

Too expensive. I don't spend 250k on a car. It needs to be 20k

Totally Insufficient range I need minimum of 150 miles with lights and heater air con and in car entertainment.

Weird looks

Totally ridiculous recharge time. No more than 10 minutes

No support infrastructure out here in the real world. Outside the cities..where I choose to live.

No perceived taxation benefit to me a private motorist.

No hov lanes or other stuff I could gain from near me. Free dart crossing might be good?

Survey on electric vehicles - alan1302

Too expensive. I don't spend 250k on a car. It needs to be 20k

Totally Insufficient range I need minimum of 150 miles with lights and heater air con and in car entertainment.

Weird looks

Totally ridiculous recharge time. No more than 10 minutes

No support infrastructure out here in the real world. Outside the cities..where I choose to live.

No perceived taxation benefit to me a private motorist.

No hov lanes or other stuff I could gain from near me. Free dart crossing might be good?

£250k? Think you need to look at some of the cheaper ones!

Survey on electric vehicles - Ethan Edwards

No thanks as I said no more than 20k plus it's got to meet all seven of my requirements. What's a Tesla s these days best part of 100k ? Utterly ludicrous. Never go mainstream until you fix all in my list.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 01/12/2015 at 00:00

Survey on electric vehicles - ExA35Owner

I have done the survey. Sadly I think its value is small as the OP hasn't been able to apply any research protocol to find in what way the sample is representative. If I were the supervisor of the project I'm afraid I would be asking my student to re-design his research.

Survey on electric vehicles - skidpan

What's a Tesla s these days best part of 100k ? Utterly ludicrous

The lowest priced Tesla S is currently just over £50000. I agree its a lot of cash but when you consider what a Tesla cost a few years ago for a smaller less powerful car with a tiny range it shows what is being achieved and in time electric will be mainstream.

Edited by skidpan on 01/12/2015 at 10:15

Survey on electric vehicles - RT

I honestly think that hybrids have far more chance of general acceptance than pure EVs.

It would make an excellent research project to survey the very wide spread of usage/journey patterns that people need - I sometime think that some of the futuristic ideas are based on the blinkered view that cars are only used for moving people in/out of cities/towns.

Survey on electric vehicles - madf

I think a small town car as an electric vehicle would be ideal. With ability to take shopping - not just one or two bags but a full food shop.

Minimum winter range to allow for occasional longer journeys 100miles - which means 150 miles in summer.

And priced at £15k or less.

The survey is a waste of space in my view as it does not address many real world concerns.

Survey on electric vehicles - Sofa Spud

I honestly think that hybrids have far more chance of general acceptance than pure EVs.

It would make an excellent research project to survey the very wide spread of usage/journey patterns that people need - I sometime think that some of the futuristic ideas are based on the blinkered view that cars are only used for moving people in/out of cities/towns.

Ah, but hybrids and pure electric cars can share technology, especially in the case of range-extender hybrids - same electric motors, same regen set-up, same battery technology, although a pure electric would obviously need bigger battery capacity.

I think one big market for electric vehicles will be delivery vans for local use in large urban areas - once the initial purchase price barrier has been lowered.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 01/12/2015 at 23:06

Survey on electric vehicles - Bolt

I honestly think that hybrids have far more chance of general acceptance than pure EVs.

I agree, power companies are already complaining they cant keep up supply for winter, more nuclear power is needed if we take up pure EV`s

Survey on electric vehicles - alan1302

No thanks as I said no more than 20k plus it's got to meet all seven of my requirements. What's a Tesla s these days best part of 100k ? Utterly ludicrous. Never go mainstream until you fix all in my list.

The costs are coming down all the time...petrol cars weren't exactly everyday vehicles when they were first developed.

Survey on electric vehicles - Ethan Edwards

Like I said SEVEN items and you fixate on one. Tacit acceptance the other six will never be fixed.

No more than 20k it's pretty specific peeps.

And I'm an early adopter I owned a Hybrid for three years. If I'm against pure leccy then you have zero chance.

Survey on electric vehicles - Sofa Spud

.... A bit like someone saying they'd never consider buying a diesel car because they once drove a diesel Austin Cambridge !

Edited by Sofa Spud on 01/12/2015 at 23:15

Survey on electric vehicles - Ethan Edwards

100% wrong. I like hybrid. I think their great. Full electric is not for me for the seven carefully explained reasons. And I am an early adopter of new technologies. If your not convincing me your doing a poor job. And personal attacks ain't cutting it.

Survey on electric vehicles - Ethan Edwards

May I request you tell us how many hybrid cars and full electric cars you yourself have bought using your own money before you stop to criticise others? Thank you.

Survey on electric vehicles - alan1302

Too expensive. I don't spend 250k on a car. It needs to be 20k

Totally Insufficient range I need minimum of 150 miles with lights and heater air con and in car entertainment.

Weird looks

Totally ridiculous recharge time. No more than 10 minutes

No support infrastructure out here in the real world. Outside the cities..where I choose to live.

No perceived taxation benefit to me a private motorist.

No hov lanes or other stuff I could gain from near me. Free dart crossing might be good?

Too expensive - costs will come down in time.

Insuffcicient range - ranges of electric only cars are improving.

Weird looks - depends on the car. Some electric cars are just the standard car without a normal engine.

Charge time - they have certainly come down...and who know 10 mins could well be possible.

No support infrastructure - that will come. When the first cars came out there were no petrol stations.

No tax benefit - why do you require one?

Free stuff - you get free entry into London

Survey on electric vehicles - Bolt

Too expensive. I don't spend 250k on a car. It needs to be 20k

Totally Insufficient range I need minimum of 150 miles with lights and heater air con and in car entertainment.

Weird looks

Totally ridiculous recharge time. No more than 10 minutes

No support infrastructure out here in the real world. Outside the cities..where I choose to live.

No perceived taxation benefit to me a private motorist.

No hov lanes or other stuff I could gain from near me. Free dart crossing might be good?

Too expensive - costs will come down in time.

Insuffcicient range - ranges of electric only cars are improving.

Weird looks - depends on the car. Some electric cars are just the standard car without a normal engine.

Charge time - they have certainly come down...and who know 10 mins could well be possible.

No support infrastructure - that will come. When the first cars came out there were no petrol stations.

No tax benefit - why do you require one?

Free stuff - you get free entry into London

By the time EV`s take off, cars wont be allowed into london, and if they are it will cost as much as it does now if not more

there seems to be a lot of tech being researched for batteries and fast charging but they are a long way off yet, I still reckon Hybrid is the way forward or Hydrogen fuel cell, not full EV`s too much power required to charge

Survey on electric vehicles - galileo

Fuel cells need bulk supplies of Hydrogen.

Currently, I believe 95% of it is made from natural gas or gasification of coal, being fossil fuels, the tree huggers want them left in the ground.

Making producer gas from coke and steam and discarding the carbon monoxide is clearly not an option (nor is dissolving zinc in sulphuric acid), which leaves electrolysis of water, unless there is a cheap, bulk method I haven't heard of.

Fresh water isn't abundant everywhere and electricity has to be generated somehow, and probably more efficient to use it to charge batteries directly.

Survey on electric vehicles - Ethan Edwards

So HMG expect us to buy an expensive thing, store it for a couple of decades, whilst the world may (or may not) fix all of the above, and in the meantime pay them (via IPT) and the Insurance companies for the privilege? Because it's compulsory to Insure it even if it's locked away in a Garage. Oh and buy and run another vehicle (to use) in the meantime.

Hard to see why that isn't mainstream already isn't it. Pie in the Sky isn't a sustainable business model unless your some kind of Climatologist.

For the people eulogising the Tesla Model S...ok so it has five seats. Large Hatch / Estate version for my RC airplanes? Nope....NFG for me then is it. Nice high driving position (and maybe switchable 4wd?) would be more useful to me than flashy bits.

So for most Non City users (and thats the majority of us ) Full EVs might work in 20 years but as of now ....for me... 'Mostly useless' .

Now Hybrid - yep that works for me.

But unlike some on here as a former Hybrid owner I have carefully avoided coflating the two. A Hybrid is a normal car with EV assist. A full EV is completely different. Analagous to a WW2 Uboat and a Polaris Nuclear sub. Yes both subs but not interchangeable by any means.

And spud...I sold the Toyota Hybrid in September..just how old are you to recall Austin Cambridge's.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 03/12/2015 at 13:31

Survey on electric vehicles - madf

"And spud...I sold the Toyota Hybrid in September..just how old are you to recall Austin Cambridge's."

Younger than me I suspect.. I remember being driven in an Austin A50.. (and in a Roesch Talbot)

Survey on electric vehicles - RT

... in the meantime pay them (via IPT) and the Insurance companies for the privilege? Because it's compulsory to Insure it even if it's locked away in a Garage. .

No - just SORN it - if it's off the public highway, then no VED, insurance or MoT.

Survey on electric vehicles - Ethan Edwards

Great idea. Buy it for 30k drive to your home. Store it sorn it. Then buy a car to actually use as a car. Sheer genius. Can't think why everyone isn't doing it.

Survey on electric vehicles - RT

Great idea. Buy it for 30k drive to your home. Store it sorn it. Then buy a car to actually use as a car. Sheer genius. Can't think why everyone isn't doing it.

I wasn't suggesting the rest of your plan was a good one - but the requirement to tax/insure wouldn't exist in the circumstances you describe.