Okay so I had the car checked on Saturday.
It is most certainly the flywheel however he said, it's such a low noise that I shouldn't feel desperate urgent to change it over as it has quite abit of life in it.
He also suggested that some people would drive it for a few years before changing it over so it's entirely upto me when I get the repair work done
He provided a quote of just under £800 (I haven't got the paper at hand to be exact) and mentioned they are original LUK parts.
depends how difficult it is to drive for you, its all very well someone saying that, but if they are not driving it they wont have a clue.
I also found no one could replicate the problem, only speculate,
If you feel it is difficult to drive I would have the job done, but once it is done it will take ages to get used to being normal
As I drove for months like it, it took a while to get used to it being normal again
Its a good price as well, LUK is what I had fitted
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I had the clutch and flywheel on my 2.2 Civic replaced under warranty in 2010 because it was slipping.
The new clutch requires more pedal pressure and the bite is harder- as bolt says it takes some time to get used to it
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hmm thats two of you agree that it feels different, thats not my experince of new clutches, bite point might change, pedal pressure and take up might feel smoother even, i wonder if there's been a quiet modification which H are keeping schtum about.
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There were 2 problems on the Civic over the years one with the clutch(i think the clutch was the wrong one for the car and couldn`t take the torque)
The other was a problem with the Dual Mass Flywheel (not sure what it was) but I can tell you the clutch bite point altered according to how long the pedal was pressed down for, ie, more than a couple of seconds and bite point was just as pedal lifted from floor
but if you quickly pressed pedal, changed gear asap, then released pedal as normal, you was ok, if however you got stuck in a jam and held pedal to floor, when you released pedal the bitepoint was at the floor and couldn`t change gear
In the same situation, ie, jam, if you did as before, quick pedal press and put into gear,clutch released ok, but you had to make the move press pedal to take out of gear all in one move if you get me?
to confuse matters it was worse when the engine got to running temp
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Bolt, that must have been very difficult/annoying in traffic, presumably its all ok now and drives the same whatever the situation?
I think Honda should have either recalled them, or maybe better at the very least offered very preferential prices for cluctch/flywheel repalcement when cars came back in with these problems, regular (known?) problem and still extracting near on £2.5k froma customers wallet is not on.
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Bolt, that must have been very difficult/annoying in traffic, presumably its all ok now and drives the same whatever the situation?
I think Honda should have either recalled them, or maybe better at the very least offered very preferential prices for cluctch/flywheel repalcement when cars came back in with these problems, regular (known?) problem and still extracting near on £2.5k froma customers wallet is not on.
Yes it was, but its all fixed now and actually has improved fuel consumption which I didnt expect about 5 mpg
I cannot complain as it did 100k on 06 plate before it started playing up, It has full service history and their are no signs of it being replaced before, I was at first convinced it was a weak pressure plate but it was too intermitant for that.
At least if someone else has the same problem they will know what to expect and get the job done sooner rather than later,and it seems the prices are dropping (at last)
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The original clutch ended in part number 305. This resulting in many failed clutches as it simply couldn't handle the torque of the engine. In around 2008 they updated the design and the clutch ended in '315'. Whilst better this was still failing after 40-60k so the last revision is the 325 clutch fitted from 2010 onwards.
Cox are the cheapest by far, and I have used them in the past for bits and Bob's. I'm actually due to get a SMF conversion on Thursday as even with the 325 clutch, there are reports of it lasting less than 40k miles.
The reason for the high cost is because LUK stuff firstly is not cheap and secondly it's the Labour. The subframe has to be dropped and its a 6 hour job for an experienced mechanic. Importantly, the clutch is a self adjusting one so the mechanic needs a special winding tool when installing the clutch. The clutch is cheap enough to buy at approx £120 and the DMF costs approx £450 if you shop around. Most places will charge £280-400 Labour though due to the complexity.
The 8th gen civic has been known to have a clutch with a weak clamping force. Did you not test drive the car and check for slippage? Max torque on the 2.2 engine comes in from 2k revs so the best way to check would be to find an incline and when at approx 1.8k revs.....floor it!. If the revs rise, then fall again when the clutch eventually bites then you've got a slipping clutch.
The garage you purchased the car from are not stupid and likely know the clutch was gone. Even trade prices for the parts are expensive. A brand new 325 clutch and DMF with trade discount comes to approx £500
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The original clutch ended in part number 305. This resulting in many failed clutches as it simply couldn't handle the torque of the engine. In around 2008 they updated the design and the clutch ended in '315'. Whilst better this was still failing after 40-60k so the last revision is the 325 clutch fitted from 2010 onwards.
Cox are the cheapest by far, and I have used them in the past for bits and Bob's. I'm actually due to get a SMF conversion on Thursday as even with the 325 clutch, there are reports of it lasting less than 40k miles.
The reason for the high cost is because LUK stuff firstly is not cheap and secondly it's the Labour. The subframe has to be dropped and its a 6 hour job for an experienced mechanic. Importantly, the clutch is a self adjusting one so the mechanic needs a special winding tool when installing the clutch. The clutch is cheap enough to buy at approx £120 and the DMF costs approx £450 if you shop around. Most places will charge £280-400 Labour though due to the complexity.
The 8th gen civic has been known to have a clutch with a weak clamping force. Did you not test drive the car and check for slippage? Max torque on the 2.2 engine comes in from 2k revs so the best way to check would be to find an incline and when at approx 1.8k revs.....floor it!. If the revs rise, then fall again when the clutch eventually bites then you've got a slipping clutch.
The garage you purchased the car from are not stupid and likely know the clutch was gone. Even trade prices for the parts are expensive. A brand new 325 clutch and DMF with trade discount comes to approx £500
Sorry but the problem is not the clutch,its the dmf failing so you can test the clutch as I did when I bought it and their was not any sign of slippage.
The clutch doesnt actally slip at all, it feels like the release bearing is collapsing as it pushes against the pressure plate so reducing clutch pedal travel, so as far as clamping force goes it has nothing to do with it
I have been in the trade since about 1970 and never come across this problem,which is why I thought initially it was collapsing release bearing
Your not the only one to come up with clutch as problem, and everyone seemed to be convinced at the time it was, and I only found one garage that agreed with my thoughts on it, they got the job
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Fair enough.
I know Honda, when replacing the clutch on the 2.2 only find that around 20% of the DMF's also need replacing as the amount of play is in tolerance so could it be that the clutch was replaced at some point, but the DMF was not?
It's rare for the DMF to give up before the clutch in the 2.2
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Fair enough.
I know Honda, when replacing the clutch on the 2.2 only find that around 20% of the DMF's also need replacing as the amount of play is in tolerance so could it be that the clutch was replaced at some point, but the DMF was not?
It's rare for the DMF to give up before the clutch in the 2.2
Highly possible, on checking with garage car came from(fsh) there were no records of the clutch/dmf ever being done, but thats not to say it may have been done at an indy knowing it would be cheaper
No record was kept though,surprisingly?
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I purchased my car from auction and the service book had 6 stamped all from Honda with a couple of invoices for break pads/discs. I rang Honda on acquiring the car asking if any warranty work had been done on the car at all (manifold issues, rusty roof, handbrake issue which are all common faults) and they told me Honda replaced the clutch on the 3rd service as a warranty claim was approved. No paperwork for the clutch change though
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I purchased my car from auction and the service book had 6 stamped all from Honda with a couple of invoices for break pads/discs. I rang Honda on acquiring the car asking if any warranty work had been done on the car at all (manifold issues, rusty roof, handbrake issue which are all common faults) and they told me Honda replaced the clutch on the 3rd service as a warranty claim was approved. No paperwork for the clutch change though
Maybe I should have said my car come from Honda MD, but no record, it might have been easier!
Not heard from OP yet either.
Edited by bolt on 27/10/2015 at 22:58
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