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2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - tallrob

My wife and I are having a hard time getting used to the lack of an Auto position for the headlights on our Mk2 Focus Estate we bought a couple months ago. Mostly this is a problem forgetting to switch the lights on when entering tunnels and when it rains. But I'm still startled by the obnoxiously loud beeeeep everytime I open the door after turning the car off. I really really wish it had full time lights that turned on and off with the car. I don't need fancy auto environmental sensing tech, just lights that go on and off.

So, I looked and found a replacement switch on Ebay that had an "AUTO" position, as well as light dip control, which we don't need (I think ours is auto-dipping). I'm wondering if I just swap out the switch module, will the Auto setting function, or do I need to have the ECU programmed?

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - HandCart

At the risk of sounding obnoxious (without a beep),

You THINK your lights are auto-dipping?!?!?!

Do you not think it would be wise and courteous to find out for certain?

And both you and your wife forget to put the lights on when you go into tunnels or when it rains?!?

Sheesh - I hope you remember to lock your door when you leave the house...

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - skidpan

My wife and I are having a hard time getting used to the lack of an Auto position for the headlights on our Mk2 Focus Estate we bought a couple months ago

We have 2 cars, one has auto lighting, the other does not.

Does the lack of auto lighting bother me, not at all since we don't use it. I simply look out of the car and decide for myself when I need to turn the lights on.

I would suggest that if you are incapable of deciding when to turn the lights on yourself you should not be driving.

If that sound harsh so be it, it was intended too.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - tallrob

You people are really friendly.

Edited by tallrob on 13/10/2015 at 21:44

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - tallrob

Wow, I actually thought I might get some courteous responses on this forum. I guess I was wrong.

Our previous car for 15 years had automatic headlights. So yes, we forget since having this car for a few weeks. So sorry.

And the auto dipping lights are only meant for load balancing. Haven't had that need yet. I didn't mean going from high beam to low beam.

Thanks for the (yes) obnoxious response. I'll keep my mouth shut from now on. Sheesh indeed.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Manatee

Wow, I actually thought I might get some courteous responses on this forum. I guess I was wrong.

You have a point.

I took your question at face value; I did misunderstand the 'dipping' question so please ignore my response to that part.

The only car I've had for years with headlmap auto-levelling has HID headlamps, for which it is mandatory as far as I know. All the others for probably 15 years or more have had a little wheel with three positions. If you have one of those, experimentation will show whether it is the levelling control. If not, then maybe yours is automatic.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - tallrob

They are HID lamps, and I have no leveller dial, so that explains the levelling question. Thanks for being the only one here who can answer a simple question without needing to judge a person.

Edited by tallrob on 13/10/2015 at 22:54

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - alan1302

Wow, I actually thought I might get some courteous responses on this forum. I guess I was wrong.

I think a few people do need to step back a bit and not go in full throttle on what is a straightforward question.

The forum needs to be welcoming not making a new poster wish they had never even bothered registering.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Manatee

It seems extremely unlikely that just fitting the switch will confer automatic lights. It will need a sensor, as well as some wiring and programming.

I don't know about the auto dip - was it even available on the Mk2 Focus? If you only think you've got it, you probably haven't - I'm pretty sure I'd know.

Edited by Manatee on 13/10/2015 at 17:32

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - RobJP

In answer to the question : no, the switch on it's own is useless. There are sensors built into the back of the mirror housing for cars equipped with auto lights, and that sensor will not be present on your car.

However, I'd also have to agree with other posts. If you aren't capable of deciding for yourself whether or not your lights should be on, or if it is so stressful and difficult to switch them on/off when entering or exiting a tunnel, then I'd seriously doubt that you are competent behind the wheel.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - elekie&a/c doctor

Lots of modifications required to fit Ford auto lights,including a new windscreen.However there is an alternative as an aftermarket kit.Take a look here;www.valeoservice.com/html/egypt/en/actualitesarchi...1

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - tallrob

We're both quite compent drivers. After 15 years driving a Volvo with automatic (always on) lights, it's actually a sign of incompetence to take a while to get adjusted to having to switch them on in broad daylight when entering a brightly lit tunnel? You guys need to take the edge off your responses. I just signed up for this forum and I already hate it.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - tallrob

So what I've learned here is honestjohn is full of unhelpful a**holes. Got it. Bye bye.

Edited by tallrob on 13/10/2015 at 21:49

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - RobJP

And yet I (for example) manage to drive my wife's car (a Shogun) or my BMW with no difficulties.

In spite of the fact that the indicator/lights/wipers are on the oposite stalks on the Shogun than they are on my car.

It isn't at all difficult.

And you HAVE had accurate and hlpful replies. While some of those questioned your driving competence, none of them dropped so far as peurile insults. Which you have seen fit to do.

Which just makes me feel that the description of your driving capabilities is probably painfully close to the mark, if you take it so harshly, and lash out like that.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - tallrob

Oh get bent. You know nothing about me. I turn my f***ing lights on when it's dark. I'm just trying to figure out how to have them turn on automatically when I start the car like so many other cars do.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Manatee

elekie&a/c doctor gave you a helpful answer I think.

Amazingly cheap at £35 on ebay, though you might need to pay somebody £100 to fit it.

Might solve your tunnel question if not the bleep.

goo.gl/FL4FpI

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Smileyman

I'd suggest speaking with a specialist auto electician to see how this may be implemented, fitting aftermarket front lights for instance, but remember the current cars with day running lights are a factory fit, and simply by changing a switch is unlikely to be a workable stand alone solution .. I just swich on my dipped headlights when I start the engine.

Edited by Smileyman on 14/10/2015 at 00:01

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Soichiro
I can't figure out why people never hang around on this forum.
Especially with such friendly responses to a newbie.

Oh and it's always the same people, you know who you are.
My advice is the same as I tell my four year old.
If you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all.
So maybe have constructive replies or be quiet.
2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - skidpan

Mostly this is a problem forgetting to switch the lights on when entering tunnels and when it rains.

Comments like the above from the OP surely shows a degree of incompetence if they admit forgetting to turn lights on when the conditions require it.

If you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all.

If you cannot say what you think (and many posters agree with me) why have a forum at all.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Soichiro
You can say what you like, but some people might just think you're a troll.

Your input into the op's question had no value at all.
2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - skidpan
You can say what you like, but some people might just think you're a troll.

If telling the truth and posting my personal views makes me a troll so be it.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - alan1302

If you cannot say what you think (and many posters agree with me) why have a forum at all.

Would you be as ill manered in real life?

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - skidpan

Would you be as ill manered in real life?

I call a spade a spade, always have done.

If people don't like it tough.

Never done me any harm.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - alan1302

Would you be as ill manered in real life?

I call a spade a spade, always have done.

If people don't like it tough.

Never done me any harm.

Calling a spade a spade doesn't mean you need to call in question someones compettence to drive just becasue they would like their headlights to come on automatically.

If you can't answer their question then why reply?

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - skidpan

They did not say only say that

they would like their headlights to come on automatically.

They went on to say

Mostly this is a problem forgetting to switch the lights on when entering tunnels and when it rains

That is why myself and others questioned their ability to make suitable judgements whilst driving.

If they forget something as basic as switching their lights on what else don't they do?

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - FP

"I call a spade a spade, always have done.

If people don't like it tough.

Never done me any harm."

Here we are again. Plain speaking is used as an excuse for rudeness.

"If people don't like it tough." This is tantamount to saying that other people's reactions don't matter.

A bit of tact, a bit of careful phrasing wouldn't do anyone any harm either.

Edited by FP on 14/10/2015 at 15:42

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Soichiro
Skidpan my four year old understands what I said above, you clearly don't.
Take from that what you will.
2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - skidpan

I will continue to answer posts in a manner I see fit.

If the OP or another poster says something I disagree with I will say so.

If someone says something that is clearly stupid I will say so.

You don't have to read my posts so perhaps that is a way forward.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - oldroverboy.

Children!

The Op had a question that was not initially clear in the beginning, but as a comment, daylight driving lights are rarely sufficient for driving in tunnels,

We all make mistakes,

I just managed to make one with a K-itchen-fitter.

Edited by oldroverboy. on 14/10/2015 at 17:38

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Soichiro

I will continue to answer posts in a manner I see fit.

If the OP or another poster says something I disagree with I will say so.

If someone says something that is clearly stupid I will say so.

You don't have to read my posts so perhaps that is a way forward.

You just don't get it, do you? Being obnoxious will never encourage people to post here. If I was a moderator on here I'd be having a word with you in a pm.
2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - skidpan

You just don't get it, do you? Being obnoxious will never encourage people to post here. If I was a moderator on here I'd be having a word with you in a pm.

Clearly the mods have not considered my posting suggesting the OP should consider his driving future as being obnoxious. It contained no swearing, no political comment and no racist comment plus I did not call them an idiot or similar.

Other suggested a similar thing, why not raise the issue with them as well.

Check and you will see I have broken no forum rules.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Soichiro
I think the others know who they are and kept well out of this.
Probably better known as common sense.

Also I did raise the issue with all the posters making unpleasant comments, as you will see if look further up the thread. I never named you, but you were one of the ones my post was directed at, as you have demonstrated perfectly.

Edited by Soichiro on 14/10/2015 at 18:08

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - FP

"I will continue to answer posts in a manner I see fit."

Other people's views (including a moderator's) on the suitable manner of answering posts would clearly count for nothing, then.

Edited by FP on 14/10/2015 at 18:52

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Avant

For the life of me, I can't see why Tailrob's perfectly harmless question has occasioned such vitriolic responses - which say more about the people posting them than about the original questioner.

I haven't deleted anything, as a forum is a place for free expression and no actual rules have been broken - but once again, part of the point of a forum is to give help and advice in a constructive way.

Welcome to the forum, Tailrob.

If you look hard, you'll see some sensible answers: Manatee is right, you would need sensors as well as just a switch (or it wouldn't be automatic) but Elekie has suggested an after-market product which we hope will work for you.

Be careful not to spend too much. Personally I think I'd save the money and just get used to turning the lights on and off manually: I have automatic lights and wipers but quite often find I need to override them. As a man issuing tickets in a car park once said to me when the machine had failed "Yer can't beat a yooman being'.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - HandCart

Hello,

I only just got chance to return to the forum since making my obnoxious post yesterday.

If you still happen to be visiting the site, Tailrob, then I do apologise to a fair extent: Due to a certain amount of misinterpretation, I just couldn't believe what I was reading.

I now understand that you meant Auto-Levelling rather than Auto-Dipping, which are rather different things.

And as someone else has suggested, if you really desire to have lights on on the car all the time, the simplest way is just to switch onto dipped headlights when you start the engine: Hopefully, after a liitle time, it would become routine habit for you and your wife; similar to plugging-in the seatbelt.

My consternation probably arose because of my hatred of the ever more automaticarisation of things and my worry that people become too (or completely) reliant on them. My wife's car has auto lights, but for HER safety I've set the function to disabled because one cannot trust it: Not infrequently, it will not turn on, or not turn off, the headlights when the driver commands it. Same goes for switching between dipped and high beam: I once had to pull-over and switch off the engine and restart, in order to get the lights back onto dip from main! Something is probably a bit faulty, but strangely the car is always behaving perfectly when the MOT test takes place.

Anyway, in summary, my revised response is: You could save money and hassle (and avoid the potential for the gizmo going wrong in future) just by switching dipped headlights on after starting the engine, and at night, if necessary, spending a few seconds twiddling the load-adjustment wheel until you can see that the beams are aimed correctly.

Cheers.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - thecloser

I have been a visitor and (occasional) contributor to this forum over a period of about 10 years under different identities. There has always seemed to be a coterie of regular correspondents who take delight in aggressively dismissing the thoughts of other contributors and responding to them in such a way that many of them, I'm sure, never return. I was myself the recipient of a similar response to a point that I made in my early HJ days to such a degree that I abandoned the site for a couple of years. The reaction of some of the contributors to tallrob's inoffensive query about the rather unsensational subject of the light switch in a Ford Focus is beyond belief and I was delighted to see our Administrator's measured response. Notwithstanding this, and other contributors conciliatory comments, I would be surprised if tallrob were ever to visit this forum again. If that is the motive of those who insult new visitors then they will be able to mark this up as a 'score'. I wonder how many other correspondents, who could have made a valuable contribution to what is becoming a bit of a closed shop, have been similarly dissuaded.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - FP

Well said, TC.

Perhaps it's best not to speculate on the motives or the mind-set of some who post here, but if we were to transpose some of the conversations into a face-to-face situation - at the bar in a pub, for example, I would imagine there would have been many fist-fights.

The anonymity of the internet allows or perhaps even encourages some people to say things they wouldn't dare to otherwise - more's the pity.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - John Boy
The anonymity of the internet allows or perhaps even encourages some people to say things they wouldn't dare to otherwise - more's the pity.

Absolutely. And when adults behave like this and can see nothing wrong with it, is there any wonder that teenagers can be driven to suicide by personal remarks they read on Facebook and the like.

2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - Soichiro
The reason I posted my previous comments about certain posters attitude on this forum, is because I see the same kind of unhelpful responses on a near daily basis.
2005 Focus Estate - Headlight switch replacement - alan1302
The reason I posted my previous comments about certain posters attitude on this forum, is because I see the same kind of unhelpful responses on a near daily basis.

It seems to have got worse recently as well - as soon as you see a post you can start guessing at the replies!

 

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