Worth being law abiding?

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Tue 22 Sep 2015 13:55
Worth being law abiding? - Ben 10
Just watched an episode of police interceptors.

Guy pulled over for driving a cloned vehicle, which had been originally sent for scrap. He didn't have a license. Who knows what offences he clocked up with the fake plates. The car was deemed unroadworthy as well.

So not only was he driving illegally, he had a vehicle that wasn't supposed to be on the road. No VED no insurance and cloned plates.
Not only that while being arrested he threatened to harm the copper on numerous occasions.

So bearing all that you'd think he'd have the book thrown at him.

No. He was disqualified for a year. On a license he doesn't have. And a fine of £130. Nothing more.

Is it worth the risk cloning your own vehicle. Using this to get free fuel. Not pay VED or insurance. Imagine what you could save. And if caught get a fine like that. I'd say yes. Why do we bother forking out when the penalties are this lame.

No deterrent for these scrotes.
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Tue 22 Sep 2015 14:58
Worth being law abiding? - Engineer Andy

Quite right - they should've thrown the proverbial book at him - sadly typical of the authorities these days, who seem have higher priorities prosecuting people who drive at 2 mph over the 30 limit on a clear road at night than idiots like this chap (IMO) who deserve to lead to life riding on cycles and public transport only.

Maybe if the authorities did their jobs properly (I'm not criticising all of them) and spent less time lobbying MPs to get more funds (given how much they waste [I know from working alongside them]) and making excuses (mostly due to a lack of funding) then these bozos would be on our roads casuing accidents, ripping people off with cash-for-crash frauds and using them to carry out other illegal activities.

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Tue 22 Sep 2015 15:16
Worth being law abiding? - craig-pd130

True: each of those offences should be totted up with the result being a custodial sentence, or big fine, or both.

But there will always be scratters and scrotes who, in the words of the judge sentencing Fletch in 'Porridge,' "who accept arrest as an occupational hazard, and presumably accept imprisonment in the same casual manner."

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Tue 22 Sep 2015 15:27
Worth being law abiding? - Ben 10
Couldn't agree with the both of you more.
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Tue 22 Sep 2015 15:37
Worth being law abiding? - brum

Even though its considerably cheaper than ved/insurance/mot etc, I dont think you could use this model for very long....

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Tue 22 Sep 2015 15:35
Worth being law abiding? - oldroverboy.

You only have to look at any newspaper reporting magistrates court proceedings to see that sentencing is a joke for anything else than motoring (and by that I mean speeding)

So if ORB gets caught for in excess of the spped limits on his bike he will be heavily fined/disqualified and possibly imprisoned. Magistrates court costs will be heavy if he pleads not guilty.

some "fool" driving uninsured unlicensed and not mot'd will getmostly let off if he has no means to pay and will get a solicitor foc.

seen some of the cases recently for violence, or theft/shoplifting or burglary.

How many times do they have to get caught to justify a custodial sentence.

Is it wait until someone is killed?

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Tue 22 Sep 2015 16:46
Worth being law abiding? - Wackyracer

I remember when the laws were passed that gave police the ability to confiscate vehicles if they were not taxed, insured, MOT etc.

I questioned a policewoman as to why a said individual was still riding his motorcycle around in front of her, the answer "we don't want to cause any bad feelings towards the police in this community".

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Wed 23 Sep 2015 17:17
Worth being law abiding? - concrete

I thought we all knew that the main focus on road 'policing' is for the purpose of gathering revenue. That is mainly local authority instigated although the police do have some involvement.

With this incident, a real policing effort, the current thinking is:' You can't get blood from a stone'. The people who commit these offences do not have an income as such, mainly benefits. They usually have low self esteem, no self rspect or respect for others. Pointless fining them, they cannot and will not pay. My niece is a magistrate and you would not believe what comes out in court and also is revealed in social reports. Some of these people are ferral. I have a perfect solution, but it involves firearms and ropes and other things! Come the revolution brothers!!!

Cheers Concrete

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Wed 23 Sep 2015 21:17
Worth being law abiding? - Leif
Don't forget our sisters, comrade.

A colleague is married to a scrounger, whose relatives are parasites. It is in their DNA, to think they are owed a living. Utterly worthless. You wouldn't believe how this useless woman behaves.
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Wed 23 Sep 2015 21:40
Worth being law abiding? - Ben 10
You're right of course. You won't get blood out of a stone. So what deterrent do you suggest?
A custodial sentence? A 3 strikes approach? Stopping benefits?

Like I said if these people get away with this type of behaviour so lightly, it will encourage the likes of me to join them, if I can't "beat" them approach.

If they are subsequently stopped in the future without the necessary docs. then the vehicle is taken and crushed no matter who's car it it. Maybe his peers might dissuade him from driving as a last resort, especially if he's driving a car of theirs.

I would have considered his behaviour and disregard to having correct paperwork to be on the road and putting other motorists lives at risk, more than enough to lock him away.

It wasn't a speeding fine. As I said, he threatened a copper numerous times. No actual DL, no insurance, no MOT, no VED. Car in poor condition. Cloned plates. Is that list not enough for a term away at HM pleasure? Obviously not. I might think about the savings Ill make doing the same things. It's a no brainer for £130.
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Sun 27 Sep 2015 16:03
Worth being law abiding? - Andrew-T
A 3 strikes approach?

Yes. Three strikes and you are out - preferably out of the human race. If the criminal's identity is undisputed, and there is every likelihood of repeated reoffending, dispose of them, on the quiet if necessary.

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Sun 27 Sep 2015 01:27
Worth being law abiding? - 1litregolfeater

Not just all scrotes.

The insurance bill is still too high for young people, it has been inflated by an island of scrotes gaming the system to their own ends. Some recent measures taken by the insurance industry have taken a few scrotes out, but crime and fraud remain endemic in places like Bradford.

As young people cannot afford the unrealistic premiums, they adopt alternative strategies, and join the ranks of those who do not obey UK law.

Which is exactly what the "scrotes" want.

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Sun 27 Sep 2015 09:15
Worth being law abiding? - Dwight Van Driver

Look at this this way:

It costs HMG (us) deeply if they send him to prison in their holiday accommodation.

Prisons are also at bursting point

Fines add to Exchequer coffers and a cheaper option.

Sad fact but punishments no longer fit the crime

dvd

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Sun 27 Sep 2015 13:48
Worth being law abiding? - Ben 10
Then as I said hit them where it hurts most. The phone, the computer, the wide screen TV. The "luxuries" instead of prison. Could be sold and ploughed back into the government coffers or divved up through the insurance industry.

So if jail or anything else in your world is not a deterrent, what do you suggest should be?

This multiple offence example should have been dealt with better than just a £130 fine. He wouldn't have got away so lightly in the U.S. The justice system here is lightweight and those that condone this are just as bad.

And how can anyone lump those that are new drivers who can't afford insurance turn to this kind of behaviour. If scrotes like him were dealt with properly there would be a real deterrent and might bring down insurance premiums for all of us in the long run.

But if you feel it's not worth it or the expense Dave then we'll end up with an anarchic society. As I said, I might as well stop paying my legal dues and stop paying my way and put my feet up until I get caught. Because in your world Im only going to get a financial slap on the wrist. Quids in.
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Sun 27 Sep 2015 17:08
Worth being law abiding? - kerbed enthusiasm

If the facts quoted on QI are correct then the U.S system is failing miserably. That's not to condone leniency, just to suggest that a more moderate approach is necessary.

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Sun 27 Sep 2015 16:02
Worth being law abiding? - barney100

Can't see anyway the bloke will be persuaded to change his ways. No one has had the answer before probably never will.

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Sun 27 Sep 2015 18:01
Worth being law abiding? - focussed

Can't see anyway the bloke will be persuaded to change his ways. No one has had the answer before probably never will.

Don't you believe it, loads of people have the answer, but the soppy lefty tendency won't allow it.

My remedy -If caught with no VED -MOT- licence as a repeat offender the car should be impounded and crushed, and the offender + immediate family + relatives all lose their right to claim any benefits whatsoever for a period of two years.

There you go - fixed it- end of problem - the offender gets the s*** kicked out of him-by his family!

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Sun 27 Sep 2015 20:03
Worth being law abiding? - SteveLee

Quite simply if you're a career criminal the police and courts turn a blind eye - they know there's nothing to be had by giving you more fines you won't pay - if you're a decent law-abiding citizen then they will come down like a tonne of bricks over any minor indiscretion because they can fine the bejeezus out of you - and you will pay up. There really is a two-tier legal system now - one draconian one for decent people and one for all the scumbags the decent people sponsor through the taxation system - we get to pay twice and they get to live off our taxes and rob us at will.

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Sun 27 Sep 2015 21:08
Worth being law abiding? - Falkirk Bairn

The local YOI (Youth Offnders) is full of under 21s - that is if you ignore the wing that has been closed down to save money - roughly £1,000 per person per week.

Local no gooder with previous offences - assault, theft, breach of peace, police assault.......................Caught age 21 with £10K drugs in house and £2,000 cash.

Given council house, furnishing and vouchers for new cooker, fridge etc - he was fined and given community service of 200hrs.

If you or I drove at 40 in a 30 limit we would be fined heavily and pay increase insurance for 5 years.

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Mon 28 Sep 2015 10:27
Worth being law abiding? - Andrew-T

<< My remedy -If caught with no VED -MOT- licence as a repeat offender the car should be impounded and crushed, and the offender + immediate family + relatives all lose their right to claim any benefits whatsoever for a period of two years. >>

So if these undesirables can no longer steal from the anonymous population, they will turn to stealing from individuals like you or me. They need mind-changing injections or something.

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Mon 28 Sep 2015 10:56
Worth being law abiding? - John F

Just as we have contracted out our call centres and manufacturing industries to foreign countries, why don't we contract out our custodial service? A short spell in a gaol in one of our old outposts followed by a period of community work there might well be a beneficial correctional experience.

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