Any - Epic levels of congestion - Snakey

In the last 6 months my commute to work has been les of a chore to a complete nightmare. Every single major route in the North East now has problems - mostly caused by idiotic roadworks.

For example the A1 Western Bypass is simply a mess now, due to the appallingly badly planned and implented roadworks which wil be around for years and years. On top of this the vindictive highways agency have just added a further 6 mile stretch of cash camera controlled roadworks that end about 200 yards before the A1 roadworks start!

The net effect of this is now the other major routes are nearly blocked, the A19 and tyne tunnel are now worse than they were 5 years ago. The so called 'new' tunnel queues now strech back further than ever, with the journey time back to the same it was for the old tunnel. And the addition of roadworks/lane closures at lots of junctions just adds to the problems.

So a big thanks to those who planned all of these roadworks at the same time - you've done a cracking job of bringing the north east to a standstill!

Any - Epic levels of congestion - RT

The recession caused by the banking crisis reduced traffic levels and congestion quite considerably - the recent economic recovery means the we're now back to pre-recession levels of activity, and therefore congestion.

The A1 Newcastle Western Bypass has been congested for decades because it mixes local and through traffic - that whole are needs flattening and replacing with a 3-lane junctionless motorway for through traffic and a multi-lane local distributor road.

But that would only add to the roadworks!

Any - Epic levels of congestion - alan1302

You were moaning about this back in December as well! LOL

Any - Epic levels of congestion - Snakey

You were moaning about this back in December as well! LOL

Its got worse! :-(

Any - Epic levels of congestion - skidpan

Between Nottingham and Leeds on the M1 there have been roadworks for about 5 years now. Different parts have been affected at different times but the works have been to widen it to 4 lanes in parts and change other parts to "smart" motorway. Still got some time to go.

But what are the alternatives, leave it as it was and see the motorway grind to a total halt, build a new wider motorway at the side (like they did on the A1) but that costs loads in land and there is still the upset.

Bottom line is none of us like the congestion but improvements have to be made. Hopefully it will be worth it when complete.

Any - Epic levels of congestion - RT

At a theoretical level, if every UK road had a parallel alternative so that both were running at 50% capacity, then any roadworks would simply divert traffic to the other road which could still cope.

We can't afford, nor have the space, to cope with current/future demand at 100% capacity, let alone at 50%.

Any - Epic levels of congestion - bananastand

It boggles the mind to try and think how much the improvements to the M62 are costing in total. The news tells us it's so we can have a "smart" motorway as if we are meant to nod wisely and go "ah yes of course, a smart motorway, just what we need."

Is a smart motorway one that has gantries that say FOG when you are at a standstill in a queue caused by fog, or SPRAY when it's persistenly raining, or PEDESTRIANS IN ROAD when the pedestrian left the road two hours ago, or INCIDENT when a crisp packet blows across the carriageway?

Any - Epic levels of congestion - skidpan

As I understand it "smart" motorways are like part of the M42 where at peak and oter busy times the speed limit varies and the hard shoulder becomes an extra lane.

In my experience this actually appears to work.

Also in my experience when the roadworks were active on the M62 from Huddersfield to Leeds together with the 50 mph limit the traffic ran smoother than it did before the road works started. Non of this stop-start nonsense.

Edited by skidpan on 28/01/2015 at 14:04

Any - Epic levels of congestion - RT

As I understand it "smart" motorways are like part of the M42 where at peak and oter busy times the speed limit varies and the hard shoulder becomes an extra lane.

In my experience this actually appears to work.

Also in my experience when the roadworks were active on the M62 from Huddersfield to Leeds together with the 50 mph limit the traffic ran smoother than it did before the road works started. Non of this stop-start nonsense.

Yes - there is some evidence that reducing speed limits actually reduces congestion, so reducing journey times and INCREASING average speeds.

Any - Epic levels of congestion - alan1302

Is a smart motorway one that has gantries that say FOG when you are at a standstill in a queue caused by fog, or SPRAY when it's persistenly raining, or PEDESTRIANS IN ROAD when the pedestrian left the road two hours ago, or INCIDENT when a crisp packet blows across the carriageway?

No, a smart motorway chanes the speed limit as you go along to control the traffc volumes better

Any - Epic levels of congestion - Andrew-T

You have a certain amount of my sympathy. But you noticed a 'new' bypass road on the map which offered a convenient commute? Problem is, many people had the same idea, so the road filled up. That has been happening fairly predictably for decades now.

I am fortunate that while I was working I chose to live within 10 or 15 minutes walk of my office, as I saw commuting as a waste of time (and fuel). Many commuters shared transport which kept the traffic down a bit. I was also fortunate that I was able to do that for many years. Habits and circumstances have changed, and for many people that is no longer an option. Doesn't help the congestion problem one bit though.

Any - Epic levels of congestion - Snakey

I accept the need for roadworks, but doing them all at the same time is just nasty. And the western bypass ones are frankly ludicrous in the way the lanes have been laid out!

Whats more annoying is that they have coned off miles and miles, yet little or no work is being done due to the weather/short days. So why do them now!

Any - Epic levels of congestion - Bromptonaut

I accept the need for roadworks, but doing them all at the same time is just nasty. And the western bypass ones are frankly ludicrous in the way the lanes have been laid out!

Whats more annoying is that they have coned off miles and miles, yet little or no work is being done due to the weather/short days. So why do them now!

They've got the money for the work now. Do you seriously believe that doing it all at same time is actually a plan to deliberately make life difficult. Neither can they constantly move the cones and redo the temporary lane markings every time the gangs move a mile or three around the worksite. It would be a total waste of money and manpower.

Even the really long sections like that in place M1 J16-19 move reasonably well at the 50 limit (although Sunday/Bank Holiday drivers struggle to maintain it). It only snarls up when there's a breakdown.

AIUI there are two types of capacity management. The first, exemplified on the M1 round Nottingham and first tried on the M42 is Managed Motorway. This uses lane by lane control of speed limits and hard shoulder running controlled via the gantries. The current iteration is Smart Motorway, a 'lite' version with hard shoulder permanently removed and speed and other control messages displayed on simplified signs. There are refuges for breakdowns every mile or so - I think the delineation is actually in km.

Any - Epic levels of congestion - Snakey

Do you seriously believe that doing it all at same time is actually a plan to deliberately make life difficult.

When you're sitting in this mismanaged mess every day you do tend to wonder....

I think its accepted that councils and government like to punish the motorist whilst simultaneously emptying his wallet.

Any - Epic levels of congestion - Sulphur Man

And let's not forget, into these endlessly clogged arteries come ever faster and more powerful cars, because our wonderful driving environment demands a 150mph top speed, sub-8.0 sec acceleration and 19" pot-hole fodder alloys to make rapid progress, whatever that once was.

Any - Epic levels of congestion - Andrew-T

I know it may help a bit to gripe, but it's rather a waste of time when one is griping at the excessive number of other drivers only doing what one wants to. One is just a small part of the problem.

Stay off the road - or try a different one - and the problem goes away. :-)

Any - Epic levels of congestion - Snakey

Who said I was griping at other drivers? The congestion I'm on about is all caused by poorly planned and managed roadworks. Everyone stuck in the queue is in the same boat as me.