Car v Tram - Doc

A group of bystanders lifted a car out of the way after the driver left it parked on a city centre tramline.

It is not known whether the woman knowingly parked in the way of the tram, or if she did not notice the tramlines.

She was heard telling a Community Protection Officer: "I'm not from Nottingham."

Is this a strong case for revising the eyesight test?!

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Car v Tram - HandCart

I didn't know Nottingham had trams, but even worse, she didn't spot the double yellers either.

She's probably from somewhere like Alderly Edge.

One of those for whom the concept of not being able to park directly outside the shop they wish to visit is just "Does not compute".

Car v Tram - craig-pd130

A good example of Alderley Edge parking here, taken from the wonderful YouParkLikeA****.co.uk -

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Car v Tram - HandCart

To be fair, in Alderly the 'stop' provided for 'buses' is probably just a relic of a bygone era.

;-)

Car v Tram - nortones2

Someone has to service the football elite and their hangers-on.

Car v Tram - Snakey

If anything I think it shows the utterly pointless nature of trams in this day and age.

A normal bus would have managed to drive around the car without any issue.

The car was parked incorrectly, but it only became a news item because trams are useless prewar inventions that are totally inflexible.

Edited by Snakey on 21/11/2014 at 12:22

Car v Tram - nortones2

Trams seem to be popular means of shifting people about. 29 million passenger journeys 2013/4 estimated in Manchester. Alternative is more queues of cars......

Car v Tram - Sofa Spud

If anything I think it shows the utterly pointless nature of trams in this day and age.

A normal bus would have managed to drive around the car without any issue.

The car was parked incorrectly, but it only became a news item because trams are useless prewar inventions that are totally inflexible.

Trams pointless? A tram can carry a lot more passengers than a double-deck bus. It was only held up for about 15 minutes - buses get caught in traffic jams for longer than that. A large length of the Nottingham tram system and other modern ones is on reserved track, usually old railway routes, and they only go on the streets in the city centre. The problem in this instance is the ignorance of a motorist. If you look at vidieos of rides on the Nottingham trams, it's striking how little car traffic there is on the roads.

I would like to see trams in more of our cities - although they'll only ever be effective along busy transport corridors.

'Ave a look at this, me dooks! ......

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd2wmx2Fk2o

There are more videos in this series, that take you out of the city and onto the reserved track at up to 50 mph (80 kph)

Edited by Sofa Spud on 21/11/2014 at 14:09

Car v Tram - Sofa Spud

It's not recommended to mess with trams but you DEFINITELY woundn't want to mess with these !!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki3QCZhacHY

Car v Tram - Snakey

Hmm, a motoring site that defends trams. I think I'm in the wrong place.

Car v Tram - alan1302

Hmm, a motoring site that defends trams. I think I'm in the wrong place.

Just because people enjoy cars and driving doesn't mean that can't support the use of trams as well.

Why should people be narrow minded and only want what they like?

I build model cars should I not defend the making of model airplanes?

Car v Tram - RT

Hmm, a motoring site that defends trams. I think I'm in the wrong place.

A site that won't support prats in cars !

Car v Tram - Avant

Trams are fine as long as they are efficient.

I went on my first and probably last ride on an Edinburgh tram the other day, from the airport to the city centre. Not only did it go a long way round (whereas the bus goes straight down the A8), but when it go to the centre it got stuck at traffic lights and gave way to other traffic in Princes Street.

The bus is quicker and cheaper.

Car v Tram - Smileyman

There are many benefits afforded by trams

They are cheaper to build than full railways

They are suitable for city centres including pedestrianised areas

They have a narrow footprint (take up less road space) especially when going straight compared with buses; as they are not steared by the driver they will not deviate or wobble outside their intended path

They can be joined together to make the tram longer thus affording high capacity

They do not pollute the city centre, thus the air is cleaner and more friendly for all

There are some disadvantgages too

They are fixed to the route set out by the tracks

They shift pollutuion to other areas, eg areas where the power generation takes place (although if the power is via hydro electricity this may not be such a problem)

They require their power to be transported to them at the place of travel via fixed installation, eg long distance power network and extensive overhead power supply network

They are more costly to bring to life compared with busses due to the need for track and stops to be constructed

They are easily delayed by selfish humans, eg parking on the tracks, and once a delay has set in it could quickly impact a large areas of the network

Overall trams must have a postive role to play in urban transport, otherwise why would have so many towns & cities around the world bothered in installing and still be running them.

Car v Tram - Engineer Andy

All too often politicians like to spend our hard earned on expensive, headline-grabbing 'wheezes' that, as you say, are often best spent on simple, 'un-sexy' policies. Cambridgshire County Council (if I recall correctly) spent £150M (budget around £115M) on its 'guided busway' (actually only about 16 miles of specialist 'guided' sections), when additional ordinary roads and bus services would've been fine. The 'stops' on the way are in the middle of nowhere (IMO) so it still takes just as long using the Guided Bus service as cars or normal buses.

Such services, and trams, are in my view a complete waste of money running through old cities such as Edinburgh, London (Croydon) and Cambridge as the existing road system cannot cope with fixed-wheel (or equivalent) services and ordinary vehicles due to the old road layouts and general congestion.

Trams and light rail might be suitable for new towns (if needed) or to connect smaller-medium sized towns that used to have rail services but were axed in the Beeching cuts of the 1950s, but need better transport links because they've significantly grown in size in the last 40 years or so.

Sadly such poor/short-sighted decision-making has gone on for nearly 100 years at both local and national level, especially as policy-making in areas that have a direct effect on transport (housing, city/business development, education, welfare and immigration) have also been very poor, and have a huge impact on transport.

Big cities become congested nightmares (including on public transport), whereas outlying towns in the countryside and in former industrialised (run-down) areas become veritable ghost-towns during the week.

Car v Tram - RT

The Cambridge Guided Busway is a total white elephant - it utilised a closed railway line and it would have been far cheaper to simply reinstate trains and improve bus links with the railway.

Car v Tram - bathtub tom

I've used the Luton guided busway a couple of times and found it very convenient to park in Dunstable (cheaply) and travel into Luton.

It uses an old, disused rail track bed and although I can't compare relative costs, it got me there very cheaply and damned quick!

Car v Tram - Bromptonaut

The Cambridge Guided Busway is a total white elephant - it utilised a closed railway line and it would have been far cheaper to simply reinstate trains and improve bus links with the railway.

+1. The only good thing is that the busway includes a cycle facility.

Car v Tram - Engineer Andy

The Cambridge Guided Busway is a total white elephant - it utilised a closed railway line and it would have been far cheaper to simply reinstate trains and improve bus links with the railway.

+1. The only good thing is that the busway includes a cycle facility.

Rather expensive for what we've got if you ask me, and that's with some of the original busway facilities (actual stations [proper buildings like railway stations]) at St. Ives and Lonstanton weren't even built after the huge budget increase as the council couldn't afford any more costs, as far as I recall.

I've been on the busway a few times, and the buses wobble when on the guided parts - quite disconcerting, and possibly not good for some people who get car sick. To be honest they could've just made a road just for the buses and cycles (with a few alterations along the way) for a lot less money, or just reinstated the train line which would make all the journeys quicker due to the limited speed the buses can go at.

Car v Tram - Bromptonaut

The only modern UK tram I've used was Manchester to attend a meeting at Trafford Centre - ie the old Manchester docks. Trundled through streets quite a bit faster then a bus - better priority at junctions - as far as what was then the GMeX centre.

At that point it took to a reserved railway track and did a damn ood impression of being an electric train; fast acceleration and equally good (regenerative?) braking. From this passenger's view it was much better than a bus.

Car v Tram - Happy Blue!

Manchester Metrolink is excellent (although occasionally expensive during rush hour).

From my office in Bury, I can travel return to the city centre for £4.30. It take less time to get there than by car and I have no parking problems or charges. For a meeting during the day outside peak periods it is a far more efficient way for me to go and far cheaper as well.