Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - xSoAoDoIoEx

Purchased my C5 Nov 2013 £4,500 - 76,000 miles. Dec 2013 replaced Turbo £2,600 (main dealer). MOT in May 2014 £750 (local garage), Serviced Aug 2014 £350, Nov 2014 Engine ceased and car written off. The reason for the engine ceasing is likely, but unconfirmed, unless I pay a mechanic to inspect at my expense, due to a problem with the turbo. Prior to the turbo outlet pipe bursting off, travelling at 40 mph, the car started sounding like a tractor with a loud clicking from the turbo, intermitent smoke on acceleration from the exhaust and reduction in acceleration. 100,000 miles. The breakdown mechanic looked at the engine. He stated in his opinion the turbo did not look new. The car is now at the main dealer, I have an appointment to test drive a Citreon Berlingo and Renualt Kangoo on Monday.

My quandry - Would you?

A: Put it down to a bad year. Leave the car with the dealer and purchase a small van or another estate car from the dealer. Provided the deal was right?

B: Retrieve the car. Investigate the cause of the failure (at my expense) with a view to make a claim against the servicing garage (the main deailer) to recoup some money? (Obviously this can only happen if negligence can be proved and will cause agravation for me).

C: Retrieve the car, purchase a reconditioned engine and find an inexpensive mechanic (if there is such a person) to replace the engine?

D: Scrap the car myself, and purchase an alternative vehicle?

I am self employed, it will be my only vehicle, need space for transportation, occasional family transport (kids at uni), have no access to a 'mate' who knows cars. What would you recommend for a recplacement? I am undecided if a small van or estate car is best for me. I have only around £4,000 so whatever I buy is likely to need a mechanic at some point, so something that is good value on parts and repair.

Fingers crossed for informed replies. x

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - xSoAoDoIoEx

I should add - I have read lots of reviews of various differnt vans and estate cars and I am totally bewildered. I don't care what type of car it is or the colour. It just needs to have space inside, be comfortable to drive long distances, and economical to drive.

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - elekie&a/c doctor

I would not spend a penny more on your C5.You could end up throwing loads of money at a "who done it" case with no guarantee of a positve result. For loads of space,look at a Focus or Mondeo estate.Berlingo or Kangoo are more of a van type vehicle. Put your C5 on flea bay as spares or repair.

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - xSoAoDoIoEx

Makes sense - thank you x

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - craig-pd130

I would second the above. Even though the turbo was fitted at a main dealer, trying to argue and prove improper fitting or use of a used part instead of new etc will be more or less impossible, and it's unlikely you'll get any goodwill / compensation from them.

Write it off and move on: the first loss is unfortunate, the second would be painful.

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - daveyK_UK

Get a citroen berlingo multispace / peugeot partner tepee

or

see if you can find a decent re-conditioned engine and local independent garage you can trust.

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - oldroverboy.

Get a citroen berlingo multispace / peugeot partner tepee

or

see if you can find a decent re-conditioned engine and local independent garage you can trust.

Scrap it!

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - coopshere
You seemingly bought a dud, unfortunately you will have next to no chance of pinning the engine failure on anyone and even then in the meantime you will be without a vehicle. Put it down to a bad experience and get as much as you can for the dud and put it towards the best thing you can afford.

Second hand old or high mileage diesels are almost always a poor choice unless you know it's history and even then there is a greater risk than with a non turbo petrol engine. If you are only doing relatively short journeys in the main then a petrol engine is your best option, bonus will be that it is likely to be cheaper to buy than a diesel. Yes the fuel consumption may be a little higher but if, as it seems, you have a limited budget then at least it will be spread over your earnings period rather than a lump sum as now.

Speak to everybody you know who may know a little more than you and ask their advice on what is good or bad and where to buy. Vans, especially older ones, tend to be treated with less care than a privately owned estate or hatchback. There will be lots to choose from in your price range. Do some homework on sites such as this before what you think is OK before you buy. Good luck.
Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - gordonbennet

Depends on the condition of the rest of the car, if it's good and i could find a decent sensible mileage used engine from someone i could trust (thats the problem), then i would stick another in.

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - Bromptonaut

As suggested above a Berlingo or Pug Partner would fit the bill. Up to MY2005 the basic diesel engie was a bombproof 1.9 IDI unit. I have on of the last of these. an 03/05 1.9D Berlingo Desire. Now on 146k miles and has only let me down twice. Once becuase I ignored my indy's advice to change clutch following which it promptly failed. Other was a one off issue with altenator feed corroding.

he 2.0 HDi 90 was also pretty good.

ISTR there were 'issues' with turbo oil feed on some earleir 1.6HDi models. I don't know specifics but somebody on either Berlingo or French Cars Forums will be able to help.

NB - was your C5 a 1.6 HDi and is above any pointer as to why it failed recently? Not going to help too much with liability/compo but might help if you go down route of trying once more to fettle it. That wouldn't be my course though.

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - daveyK_UK

I'm told the 1.6 PSA diesel in any form but especially a Ford focus up to 2011 is to be avoided out of warranty.

Seems quite a sweeping statement for the mechanic to make, but his advice has served me well.

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - Smileyman

Tha's pretty bad luck. But, unless you have deep pockets and lots of time best just to write it off to experience and get something else. You could of course ask them for a 'special discount' for the new vehicle in light of your experience, no harm in asking.

BTW make sure your accountant is aware, the vehicle maintenance cost may be chargeable against profits for taxation purposes.

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - Gibbo_Wirral

I hate the 1.6 HDI 110 with a passion. It seems to be the most common troublesome engine in the Peugeot community. Its such a huge difference to the 90bhp 2L diesel, which seems bulletproof.

Although its anecdotal, many of the problems stem from oil starvation at the turbo due to a blocked gauze filter in the turbo oil feed or the wrong type of oil used, or changed too infrequently.

I don't want to open the "oil interval" can of worms but I think 20,000 miles is just too long an interval.

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 17/11/2014 at 14:06

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - corax

I don't want to open the "oil interval" can of worms

Shhh...

Best let sleeping dogs lie.

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - quizman

If the main dealer did the work only 6 months ago, surely it is under warranty?

Take it back and ask them to fix it.

Citroen C5 - What would you do in my situation? - xSoAoDoIoEx

THANK YOU To everyone who took the time to give me advice. I took into account all your opinions. The outcome was, the main dealer gave, a what I feel was an excellent deal, on a Kangoo Van which included warranty and servicing. I should now have trouble free motoring. The information I received was much appreciated. x