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Sorry, but these car parking bunch are crooks pure and simple. Parking is never an 'offence' and they just out to milk it for anything they think they can get away with.
Wouldn't bother with the range again either.
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Parking is never an 'offence'
Can I come and park across the front of your drive then if that's the case, possibly even park on your drive.
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Strawman argument. The police will quite happily shift a vehcile which is causing an obstruction on the highway or on a drive.
This is about the fundamental issue of one person penalising another. In UK law, unless penalites are openly agreed between both parties the charges cannot stand.
Argue all you like about morality, the parking companies have none, just like the clampers had none and looked what happened to them, they all became parking company operatives.
I would also warn those who say park within the rules and you won't get an invoice not to grow the Angel wings too quickly. I picked one up because an ANPR system wasn't working correctly. They pursued, I won, but I knew what i was doing, many others would have been conned out of the cash.
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It's not an offence to park in other peoples drives.
Nor has the OP done anything illegal. Chill out skidpan.
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Sorry, but these car parking bunch are crooks pure and simple
I've never seen the need for such hate against them, just like with traffic wardens. They're doing their job so I can drive and park easier.
It would be good to find out figures of how many people get caught, I'd put money on it being a minority, and they're just bawling and making the most noise because they've been caught out - they're usually the ones who get defensive and start attacking you when you ask if you saw the big signs at the entrance and around the car parks.
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All these threads about parking fines are beyond belief.
There is a simple solution:
ONLY PARK WHERE ITS PERMITTED AND FOR THE TIME PERMITTED.
Strange as it might appear if you follow that simple rule you never get a Penalty Notice, parking Ticket or whatever you wish to call them.
If you do get a ticket rather than calling the people who provide the car parks and their staff "crooks" consider that if you had followed the T & C's that are displayed you would not have a ticket.
By not paying or leaving the car park its the user that is the "crook".
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Sod em.
If it's not from the council or the rozzers, just ignore it. See if they can be bothered to take you to court for this heinous offence. Maybe it'll get it's own episode of Law & Order.
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Chill out skidpan
I am quite chilled thank you. That is because I don't park where I shouldn't. If I did not do as the notices in car parks required I would have reason to worry but as things are at present I am quite relaxed.
Take our office car park. There are big signs saying its for use by staff only displaying permits. There have been the odd occation when visitors have been ticketed before they have had the opportunity to get back with a permit. never been an issue, the company who look after the car park simply tear up the ticket. When shoppers decide to use it as a free car park instead of using the adjacent council Pay and Display car park and then get tickets it makes us all laugh heartilly, serves the b*****s right.
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Problem is most people don't actually know they're not obligated to respond if it's not from the council or the police. These parking companies you pay fortunes for can't actually do anything at all - especially now the Government's banned clamping in England. Most of the car park charge goes to fund the useless people who 'manage' the car park.
If they start resurfacing them, I'll pay them.
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Problem is most people don't actually know they're not obligated to respond if it's not from the council or the police. These parking companies you pay fortunes for can't actually do anything at all - especially now the Government's banned clamping in England. Most of the car park charge goes to fund the useless people who 'manage' the car park.
If they start resurfacing them, I'll pay them.
So from that we must assume you never pay for parking.
What does get me angry is when I have paid and parked legally some scum of the earth don't pay or walk off and then start talking about human rights and other totally irrelevent bull s***.
Make it a capitol offence and hang them. That would stop then whining
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Honestly? I rarely pay to park anywhere, and I view yellow lines as advisory.
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Ditto – except for somewhere like (as I've mentioned before) 'coastal Cornwall' where they've got you by the chaps!
I'd rather walk a mile or so (having sought out somewhere where I can park for free all day) into said town or city. Places I knowfor sure where I can't do that I just don't visit – Laaarnden, obviously.
Anyway, that's nothing...
..a couple of Thursday's ago RickyGirl (daughter) popped her head in the door and said 'is it OK for P**** to leave her motor on the drive overnight, she'll collect it in the morning'. 'For sure' was my reply.
Unbeknown to me/us(!) P**** spontaneously(?) went to Spain on the Friday – for 6-days – leaving her Mazda softop and no keys behind!!!
Long story short, RickyGirl became increasingly embarrassed about the whole issue as time went by and I, to put it mildly, wasn't too impressed.
After deliberating whether I was going to torch, tow or sell it it was collected, rather sheepishly, in the dead of night (to avoid any anticipated confrontation from moi :–)) by either said P**** or her parents/brother/sister/lodger/cat...
Kids, eh...
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Honestly? I rarely pay to park anywhere, and I view yellow lines as advisory.
That's a nice 'sod-you' attitude. If you park on a 'thoroughfare' (i.e.a public road, whose main function is to provide a way from A to B, not a place to dump a stationary vehicle) you are helping to obstruct it. So those who are obstructed can hope that you might be prevented from doing it.
If you park on privately-owned land (e.g.a supermarket car-park) you should expect to comply with the requirements of the owners, which may be that you become a customer of theirs. Of course if you can get away without paying, that's fine, but please don't claim that you have been unfairly victimised if you get caught and penalised.
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What does get me angry is when I have paid and parked legally some scum of the earth don't pay or walk off and then start talking about human rights and other totally irrelevent bull s***.
Make it a capitol offence and hang them. That would stop then whining
On two occasions in recent months TGBs (sorry, 'travellers' ) have parked their shiny new 4x4s and gleaming caravans, occupying at least 40 spaces in the council Pay and Display car park, for periods of several days.
No tickets issued, no charges whatsoever, for the use of spaces which would cost ordinary citizens substantial sums for each space.
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Some advice to the OP
this forum is no place to seek advice of any sorts, its full of OAPs full of self importance who regard themselves as experts in all things and who love to play god/judge/police.
You only enter into a civil contract when there is recorded acknowledgement of such contract by both sides, that involves usually a signature, a verbal conversation, or some other action such as pushing a button under a sign that say I agree to this contract and accepting a ticket at a barrier. I drive/walk past millions of signs and they do not obligate me to do anything. Only those signs that the government deem legal notices such as those found in the highway code.
You need to visit a proper site (maybe peppipoo) and ingnore anything these private firms throw at you. Dont enter into correspondence or talk to them as they might construe that as an agreement. They will go away.
A civil dispute is not "breaking the law" and ridiculous examples of parking in someones drive or whatever have no merit - but then this is what I expect from some of the members who live here.
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Here here Brum, well said.
I cannot fathom out some of the posters on here who are as god rightously perfect in the way they drive.
The thing is you can guarantee every single motoring forum has one, and they also tend not to know when to give it a rest from atop their moral high ground !
Motoring muppetry ;)
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his forum is no place to seek advice of any sorts, its full of OAPs full of self importance who regard themselves as experts in all things and who love to play god/judge/police.
If Brum had had the inteligence to read an earlier post of mine he would have spotted that I talked about the office car park at work. That obviously means I am not an OAP.
I cannot fathom out some of the posters on here who are as god rightously perfect in the way they drive
Again, where did I ever say I was perfect. I simply live on a planet where there are rules and iof you ignore those rules there tend to be consequences. If you break those rules you have to accept that there will be a price to pay.
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Skid you have consistently confused parking on private land and "breaking the law". I'm still not sure you've got the position fully clear in your mind.
I've done a bit of research and Common Law states that any compensation must be proprtionate to the losses incurred. The car park was a third full, I was there for under two hours, therefore the loss was zero. I am writing to Care Parking today.
With acknowledgements to moneysavingexpert.
Have a nice day at the call centre Skid.
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Dear Sirs
I am writing to reject your invoice and will not be paying.
The vehicle was parked for a maximum of approximately one hour. If it is your operative's contention that I parked for over two hours, I would remind you that perjury in UK courts carries very severe penalties.
The notice was positioned neatly over the tax disc so that I wouldn't notice it. The ploy worked. If I had I would have gone straight into the store to complain. I also wonder if your operatives were keeping a watch on the car. If I had gone into The Range, would the notice have been removed before I came out again? I suspect so, but we will never know. I wonder how The Range would react to angry customers returning purchases they had made five minutes previously, because they've been given one of these notices?
I am no longer a regular customer of The Range as I don't want to waste time countering these unscrupulous tactics.
Under Common Law, any penalty must reflect the losses incurred by the issuer of the penalty. The car park was approximately one third full, so I did not deprive the store of custom. I was parked for much less than the two hour limit. Therefore there were no losses. If you still consider that I have broken the terms of the contract, then the contract is unfair and the charge wildly disproportionate.
I now consider this correspondence closed.
Yours
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Oooh, I like that. As Metallica used to say '**** 'em all!'
Cut, pasted & archived for future use, then again I...
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Skidpan
As you mentioned parking in driveways earlier, what price would there be to pay if I parked in your driveway?
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By the way chaps, the sticky envelope thing said "it is an offence for any person other than the driver to remove this notice". Is that true? Remember this is on private land. Ta.
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On moneysavingexpert there is a blizzard of information about this subject, my head is spinning. There seems to be a lot of people saying don't identify the driver. Hmmm.
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On moneysavingexpert there is a blizzard of information about this subject, my head is spinning. There seems to be a lot of people saying don't identify the driver. Hmmm.
According to HJ, If the car parking enforcement company are members of the BPA they can request - from your number plate - the registered keepers details from DVLA.
If they are not BPA members they can't (and can't therefore persue you), so before you send the letter and identify yourself, check if they are BPA members.
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According to HJ, If the car parking enforcement company are members of the BPA they can request - from your number plate - the registered keepers details from DVLA.
If they are not BPA members they can't (and can't therefore persue you), so before you send the letter and identify yourself, check if they are BPA members.
I think it's a bit more complicated then that.
Anybody can get RK details provided they can show cause and they pay the requisite fee. Cause obviously includes alleged damage but also extends to vehicles left on private land; tresspassers for want of a better analogy.
What 'approved' users like BPA members have is on line access subject to an agreement with DVLA covering proper use, Data Protection etc.
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Of course it's not true and such statements fly right in the face of all guidance for private parking companies., They are after your money, imitating authority is the only way they can do it.
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Have a nice day at the call centre Skid.
I am way too intelligent to be working at a call centre unlike most of the sad muppets who inhabit this forum.
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I've started a thread on moneysavingexpert and thankfully that site doesn't have too many "well you shouldn't have broken the rules should you" types.
The advice seems to be to wait for the RK letter to come in, then appeal.
I can't remember if i mentioned this in a previous post, but having looked at the signs again (The Range, St Helens) it says that anyone parking there must not leave the site! So that's what my ticket is for!
I had a stand up row with the manager too, in front of a load of customers.
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Hey Jacks, yes they are members. "Care Parking". Such a nice fluffy friendly name.
I've decided against that letter I put on here before!!
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I can't remember if i mentioned this in a previous post, but having looked at the signs again (The Range, St Helens) it says that anyone parking there must not leave the site! So that's what my ticket is for!
So now you admit you have broken the T & C's thus the ticket is justified, about time.
Pay up and accept you were wrong all the time.
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A fault in the logic again. This sign, which incidentally has been clipped on top of the old sign, says that people parking there must not leave the site. So of course you can't buy a packet of sandwich bags and then spend the day in work. But what about if you nip to the sweet shop over the road? What if you just step over the boundary and step back in again? Doesn't make sense.
I'll let y'all know how it goes. Meanwhile here's my thread on MSE, which thankfully doesn't have so many sociopaths on it.
forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=6540...5
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A fault in the logic again
What is the problem with my logic. Surely the wording saying you must not leave site is easy enough to understand. What different interpretations can there be on that. The only negotiable aspect could be the definition of the site boundary and that is normally well defined by footpaths etc.
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